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I've just posted a 1-star review at Amazon. (Cemetery Mink)


I hope you will all do likewise (and 'like' any review on Amazon's page that warns people about the DNR) That really is the best way to get the message out to people.


Hopefully, if there's enough of an outcry, a big title like Gladiator will finally get a proper release in the near future.


Sony eventually figured out how bad there 'Fifth Element' was, and acted accordingly. I would think Gladiator is even more deserving.


(Meanwhile, at least I can still buy Braveheart this month, so that's something)
 

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DVDBeaver claims the image looks "magnificent" but neither the shots in this thread or their page looks anything close to magnificent.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare7/gladiator.htm


It's all processed and given the quality of the extended scenes I don't see why. It's a sad state of affairs when a broadcast looks better than a disk.


Strangely DVDBeaver also reviews Braveheart which is part of the same "Sapphire" series and the image quality does to me look excellent.


Both movies are vastly overrated IMO but I know a lot of people are waiting for Gladiator so you'd think it would be treated with more respect.
 

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Pre-order cancelled.


I am pissed at this. One of my favourite movies.
 

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Originally Posted by DrXym /forum/post/17047415


DVDBeaver claims the image looks "magnificent"

The reviewer seems to have had access to the MPEG2 broadcast but found the Blu-Ray better. It seems he [...] forgot to put his glasses on. Very disappointing.


Edit: The review was updated and seems to more fairly reflect the image quality issues now.
 

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DVDBeaver claims the image looks "magnificent" but neither the shots in this thread or their page looks anything close to magnificent.


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Yes. The un-zoomed caps look magnificent. Once you zoom it looks Gillette.
 

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The reviewer seems to have had access to the MPEG2 broadcast but found the Blu-Ray better. It seems he is either incompetent or forgot to put his glasses on. Very disappointing.

The BEV stream happened to be my HD demo source for quite some time a few years back (as it was likely yours...). It certainly has its fair share of issues but most of the running time it was a standout in detail and definition (and it comes with the usual pretty high BEV MPEG2 bitrate - so compression was fine).


My wild, unqualified guess is the reviewer at hand (Gary Tooze) is watching the whole affair on a plasma/LCD sitting at the other end of the room. In this situation the "contrast enhancement" of the BD will likely appear preferable to the less filtered HD stream.


Welcome to the wonderful world of mass-market ;-)
 

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The BEV stream happened to be my HD demo source for quite some time a few years back (as it was likely yours...).

I chose Gladiator BEV to showcase my plasma to a potential buyer about 2 years ago...
 

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The reviewer seems to have had access to the MPEG2 broadcast but found the Blu-Ray better. It seems he is either incompetent or forgot to put his glasses on. Very disappointing.

The reviewer just has bad eyesight, I assume. DVDBeaver also gave glowing reviews to Dark City, The Longest Day, Amadeus, Salo and a whole bunch of other abominations. (Didn't check if it was one incompetant reviewer or several)


Fortunately, because it is a visual site, it's still useful no matter how bad the reviewers.


The funny thing is, for a while, DVDBeaver seemed to be improving. They were actually learning about DNR, discussing it in reviews, etc. but clearly it didn't take.
 

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eesh. Just look at the difference around the word GERMANIA...

To me it looks like the c4 and BD text has EE but the BEV doesn't. Am I correct?
 

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To me it looks like the c4 and BD text has EE but the BEV doesn't. Am I correct?

The c4 broadcast's artifact doesn't look like EE to me. It looks like ringing caused by vertical resampling. You can see a similar problem right at the top of the frame, where the black 2.35:1 border begins. There's no ringing in horizontal axis.
 

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Is it a spare thats been cut in half by DNR at the left in the germania pick, it looks like a tree in the background, whatever it still spells disaster.
 

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Whats annoying is that they actually have a pretty good master, and somehow decided not to use it.

After watching the extended scenes that are of digital intermediate quality I'm not really impressed with the older unfiltered master as much. This film could look astonishingly good.


Even as bad as this release looks, it will probably still sell extremely well. One would think the cost of creating a brand new transfer could easily be recuperated on a title like this. The film isn't that old and probably wouldn't need too much work.
 

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After watching the extended scenes that are of digital intermediate quality I'm not really impressed with the older unfiltered master as much. This film could look astonishingly good.


Even as bad as this release looks, it will probably still sell extremely well. One would think the cost of creating a brand new transfer could easily be recuperated on a title like this. The film isn't that old and probably wouldn't need too much work.

It could look even better, but they could at least used the best master that exist today, and even better create a state of the art master for this.
 

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Selling a 9 year old movie in a new format and charging $27 for it and it not being of the utmost quality is ridiculous and we have every right to be mad.


If the average selling price is $20 and they sell a million, that's $20 mil. How much do you think it would have cost them to rescan the prints and make sure it is high quality? Certainly a tiny fraction of what they will make from it.
 

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Pretty bad... But is still HD


For $27 is is worth it to me. I am still very much aware that I used to pay $30 - $60 for the average 480i / DD laser discs. So, for $27 I'll take this great piece of film making and deal with it. This would have been a $60 release back in the day. If it is even 10% than the DVD, I'll buy it. It couldn't be worse as the DVD looks piss poor on my 14' screen.
 

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Pretty bad... But is still HD


For $27 is is worth it to me. I am still very much aware that I used to pay $30 - $60 for the average 480i / DD laser discs. So, for $27 I'll take this great piece of film making and deal with it. This would have been a $60 release back in the day. If it is even 10% than the DVD, I'll buy it. It couldn't be worse as the DVD looks piss poor on my 14' screen.

I guess it comes down to how much money you have. I have plenty BDs on my list I havnt purchased for economic reasons. So Gladiator went down on that list.
 

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Originally Posted by thebland /forum/post/17047608


Pretty bad... But is still HD


For $27 is is worth it to me. I am still very much aware that I used to pay $30 - $60 for the average 480i / DD laser discs. So, for $27 I'll take this great piece of film making and deal with it. This would have been a $60 release back in the day. If it is even 10% than the DVD, I'll buy it. It couldn't be worse as the DVD looks piss poor on my 14' screen.

I agree Im still hanging onto my pre-order. I got rid of my SD version.
 

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I guess it comes down to how much money you have. I have plenty BDs on my list I havnt purchased for economic reasons. So Gladiator went down on that list.

Not really the money at all. I buy more for the film than the absolute PQ/AQ. There are a lot of perfect PQ/AQ films that I would not dream of buying. I might buy 5-10 BD discs a year as only find that many films worth watching in a given year. Gladiator is in my top 10 films of all time. It is now on Blu Ray, so it is easy math to buy it regardless of PQ issues.
 
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