AVS Forum banner
Status
Not open for further replies.
1 - 13 of 13 Posts

· Registered
Joined
·
1,308 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Its impossible to miss if you subscribe to the mag, since the SW12 sub is on the cover. The review confirms what some of us know- aerial are wonderful speakers! too bad he didnt get 10ts to review as well- he reviewed a system of 7bs, cc3 center, sr3 surrounds and 2 sw12 subs. He even said that after setting up and demoing the system, his buddy went out and purchased that setup!


- Jerry
 

· Registered
Joined
·
1,308 Posts
Discussion Starter · #2 ·
While the sw12 is expensive, it is a shockingly good sub - and worth every penny! I think Im about 60 subs behind you. the only nit I have with it is the status lights- there should be the option to disable them. Michael Kelly delivers products that are exceptional and reasonably priced.


- Jerry
 

· Registered
Joined
·
70 Posts
I have the 7Bs, CC3, SR3s, and I'm still in love with them for over a year now. Can't wait to replace my Velodyne sub with the SW12. Anyone looking to buy a great system should listen the Aerial speakers.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
1,168 Posts


>>>Michael Kelly delivers products that are exceptional and reasonably priced.<<<



As commercial woofs go, the SW12 seems like a very good unit. I wouldn't say it's exactly *reasonably* priced--but that probably because I don't have $4500-$5200 to spend on a basic vented enclosure.


A single long throw 12,a single 4" port,decent size (good looking)box,and

a 400w amp.


all for only 5 thousand dollars?


The amp has some cool knobs though.(parametric eq)




>>>I have the 7Bs, CC3, SR3s, and I'm still in love with them for over a year now. Can't wait to replace my Velodyne sub with the SW12<<<



Which VEL do you own?


TV
 

· Registered
Joined
·
1,308 Posts
Discussion Starter · #5 ·
TV,

True- perhaps the term "reasonable" doesnt quite line up with the aerial sub. I was referring to the entire line of speakers though.


While the sw12 really is a stellar speaker- I dont doubt that a well done DIY sub could rival it.


Ive now heard a few other subs, REL, B&W (the big one, I think its model 4000) but Ive not yet listened to the 20k Krell subwoofer, they are all very good subs, but I prefer the sw12 to the ones Ive heard and I think/hope it would more than hold its own against even the really high priced Krell. I supopse saying it is "reasonably" priced all depends on your point of view. Ive seen it argued (Ive even argued the point) that the meridian digital speakers series 6000 ($20k/ pair) are reasonably priced when you consider what you get.


The parametric eq and other controls are very useful for taming some room problems.


Sorry if I got carried away with the reasonableness......... an example of whats not reasonable is the fact that I just watched Star Wars (Epi. I) in all ~120 lines of widescreen VHS glory!Oh where, oh where, is the DVD? http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/frown.gif


- Jerry


[This message has been edited by aerialman (edited April 04, 2000).]
 

· Registered
Joined
·
22,565 Posts
My four Aerial 10Ts, CC3 center speaker, and three Aerial SW12 subwoofers are the only sane and reasonable cost part of my otherwise totally tweaked out and insane dedicated room system. For over three years now I have been saying the Aerial is the best choice for both music and movies! Finally, here in Phoenix, someone is listening, as Ultimate Entertainment is now going to carry Aerial Acoustics. ABOUT TIME! ANd Ultimate Entertainment (Bob Rosser) only is going to have a new 5,000 square foot showroom to show them off. Brings back a joke, that two years ago Ultimate Entertainment hosted the Az Audiophile Society meeting at Bob Rosser's home, and they demod their Meridian system, and in the middle of it, Bob asked if anyone had ever heard a better system for movies and music. Let's just say that their Meridian system sounded fine, but that was about it, it wasn't the best then and ain't the best now. Obviously an Aerial Nut then begged that a local Aerial system sounded better! ANd now its all gone full circle as Bob and his company will I'm sure be a great dealer for Aerial here in the Phoenix area!


[This message has been edited by Steve Bruzonsky (edited April 05, 2000).]
 

· Registered
Joined
·
70 Posts
TV,


I have the Velodyne 8100X sub. I think the SW12 is expensive and I'm looking for a demo unit to keep the cost down. At 5K, that would be more than I spent on the 7Bs and the CC3.


Gary
 

· Registered
Joined
·
170 Posts
Wow. That review is one of the most positive reviews I've ever read -- Michael couldn't have paid someone to write a better AD, I mean article, on the Aerial system.


Get the SW-12s while they're still in stock.



Some quotes...



Michael Fremer, SGHT:


"I've had big expectations, but what happened next was one of those sonic moments that more reviewers taste only occasionally in their lives and that, forever after, remain frozen in time. This familiar track was revealed to sound much, MUCH more lifelike, dynamic, full-bodied, and 3-dimensional than I'd ever imagined it could. I don't mean a little bit better around the edges--I mean SOOOOO much better more physically present, vibrant, and BIG that it sent body-slamming shock waves through my bones"


"I'd never heard the bass line on "Caramel" exhibit such physical presence, tonal purity, detail, rhythmic tautness, and extension. Nor had I heard Vega's voice sound as liquid and smooth, yet articulate. The same for her guitar, which possessed both transient string attack and resonant body. The accompanying cello, accordion, and clarinet were rich and full-bodied but never laden. Very familiar music sounded startlingly more exciting and believable than I'd ever heard it before."


"When the track ended, I barely had time to catch my breath when the big, chunky, hollow bodied e-bass line from Shawn Colvin's "Diamond in the Rough" commenced. Yikes! Those subs could really shake a room with weighty but harmonically convincing bass NOTES. I've never heard such substantial, momentous, musical, totally transparent performance from a subwoofer, either in my home theater or in my audio room. And that was without playing with any of the many control on the back panel."



CC3:


"As long as I'm indulging myself in what sounds like (but isn't) hyperbolie: The CC3 was the least colored, most natural-sounding, DYNAMIC center channel speaker I've had in my home theater system--especially given its ambitious low-frequency extension."



SR3:


"Thanks in part to the SR3 surround speaker's eerily transparent performance, and to the similar voicing of all the speakers, this system can "hang" an effect in front-to-back space as has no other system in my listening experience. Hearing 3-dimensional, focused images moving and sometimes stopping in space with this degree of clarity, focus, and seamlessness was a revelation. I've used the word SEAMLESS to describe the spatial performance of a number of systems I've reviewed, but the word has another meaning in the context of the Aerial system."



SW12:


"At this risk of slighting the rest of the Aerial system, the SW-12 subwoofer was clearly the star of the show."


"The SW12 didn't know what compression means. Nor did I ever hear it overload or distort. In fact, I never actually "heard" it at all when it was working -- a tribute to the soundness of the enclosure, and its drivers linearity and freedom from harmonic distortion."


"Yes, the SW-12 is expensive, but you get what you pay for. . .The SW-12 is easily the best subwoofer I've ever heard (not that I've heard them all. Nothing else comes close."


To summarize:


"The Aerial is the finest home-theater system I've had in my home to date, and by a wide margin. Only the far more expensive Linn system was in the same league..."


"The Aerial system presented a big, seamless, detailed, full-bodied, physically present, essentially transparent soundstage."


...and it goes on and on. It's actually hard to find a few "bits" to quote because the entire review is a rave.



---Mark



[This message has been edited by mdavis (edited April 06, 2000).]
 

· Registered
Joined
·
170 Posts
Well, I own most of the stuff in the review, except 10Ts instead of 7Bs. However, the usual disclaimers apply. Michael Fremer probably hasn't heard (in his house) many of the Revels, Wilson Watches, JMLabs theaters, etc. to really know what the best is.


While I think my system is pretty good, it isn't THE best, by any means (hopefully close though).


Best Regards, Mark
 

· Registered
Joined
·
167 Posts
Actually TV, I think the Aerial uses a 12.5 inch woof, lol. Gotcha.


Aerial, certainly must be wonderful. (never heard them) Inexpensive? Hardly. But then the good things in life rarely ever come cheap. I really wanted 10Ts, SR3s, CC3. But sometimes we make budget decisions out of necessity. For me, Sf GPs, Concerto sides, Solo center, and 2 Velex subs do the trick http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


lex
 

· Registered
Joined
·
22,565 Posts
My understanding is that the Aerial subs are designed rather conventionally, to be connected to the subwoofer output(s) from the surround processor. I also have some Vandersteen subs which connect similar to the RELs, from the binding posts of the amplifiers/main speakers. I can only say that the Aerial subs are even more musical than the Vandersteen ones in my mind, yet they can move air for LFE with the best. REL certainly makes wonderful subwoofers, although my experience with Vandersteeen subs indicates that for a high end home theater, there ain't no substitue for one or more large LFE subwoofers that can pump the air, preferably musically and cleanly like the Aerial.


If you call Aerial Acoustics (look up the # on the web) either Michael Kelly or David Marshall will answer the phone and you can ask them personally.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
170 Posts
Welcome, JohnZ:


For 2-channel configuration, connect your balanced or RCA preamp output(s) -- both ways work -- to the Aerial, set the variable low-pass to 30Hs so the sub is going flat from "less than 20Hz" to 30Hz, measure the room and manipulate the phase/notch filter EQ/damping factor/etc..., connect the balanced or RCA(s) output to the 2-channel amplifier, set the Aerial high-pass as desired, power with the machined remote control, and you're ready to go!


From my experience, I have never heard a subwoofer as good as the SW-12 -- including a REL Studio II. However, this comparison was not done in a strict way (Fluke meter the voltage of the speaker outputs to level match, config each system, etc...)


My though was that the Studio II had an amazing ability to move air, but it wasn't as musical to me. Just my subjective option in this case -- take it for that.


A few things to note:


1. You can use the IR remote to switch between direct and indirect and actually use the high/low pass on the subwoofer for music and the filters on the processor for movies. (30Hz low-pass is not recommended for HT use by Aerial)


2. The high pass can be set to 40-100 in 10Hz increments(3db down points). The Slopes can be set to 6db or 12db per octave. The low-pass is continuously variable from 30-100Hz (3db down), 24db/octave slopes.


3. There are three auto-on modes -- manual on (remote), music sensor auto-on, 12VDC trigger (actually works w/5-15VDC).


4. There is an digital display and some LEDs on the front to display levels, status, etc..


5. You can add an external display and sensor to the unit using a parallel port.


6. There are 2 standard 3.55mm 2-conductor mini-plug sockets for IR remote chaining of the subs. Unlimited.


7. There is a DIN female speaker level input socket. I believe this is used to bypass the amplifier on the Aerial.


8. EQ specifics: .2 to 1.5 octaves, +-10db notches, You can activate/deactive via remote to A/B current results.


9. Phase inveerts 180 degrees as expected.


10. 5 levels of electronic damping are available.


11. You can mute from remote control.


Some of that may not have been covered in the review. I hope it's useful for you.

By one while they last -- I can't imagine that Michael is going to be able to keep them in stock, given the recent review in SGHT -- you wont be disappointed.


The usual disclaimer -- you should try to hear it first! Don't take my word for it.


Regards, Mark
 
1 - 13 of 13 Posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top