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Golden Globes....
The Golden Globes AREN'T in HD??? WTF NBC? They are really that cheap, aren't they.
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I'm almost certain it was HD last year, but can't remember for sure.
Yes, they certainly are cheap, and from what Zucker (I think thats who said it) said, they will only continue to put the bare mimimum on in HD, while they transition away from 1hr dramas, to more reality programming. Tartikoff would be pissed to see NBC today.
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Originally Posted by BoSoxMole /forum/post/0
The Golden Globes AREN'T in HD??? WTF NBC? They are really that cheap, aren't they.
Yes, they certainly are cheap, and from what Zucker (I think thats who said it) said, they will only continue to put the bare mimimum on in HD, while they transition away from 1hr dramas, to more reality programming. Tartikoff would be pissed to see NBC today.
Yeah, but Zucker has far more important things to work on.
He is about the announce a fourth hour of The Today Show. How is that for daring imagination?
He is about the announce a fourth hour of The Today Show. How is that for daring imagination?
If NBC's goal is to drive away HD viewers then they are doing a great job of it. I don't think there is a single NBC show I watch anymore. I don't understand NBC's thinking. Most of the industry is moving towards HD yet they are content to drop it.
I check the archive and there was no mention of it being in HD last year.
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Originally Posted by lankford /forum/post/0
I'm almost certain it was HD last year, but can't remember for sure.
I check the archive and there was no mention of it being in HD last year.
You're missing great TV then. Heroes, Studio 60, FNL, Earl, The Office, Scrubs, ER etc etc
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 /forum/post/0
If NBC's goal is to drive away HD viewers then they are doing a great job of it. I don't think there is a single NBC show I watch anymore. I don't understand NBC's thinking. Most of the industry is moving towards HD yet they are content to drop it.
You're missing great TV then. Heroes, Studio 60, FNL, Earl, The Office, Scrubs, ER etc etc
I suppose one can make an argument for NBC being cheap (though the real culprit is most likely Dick Clark Productions - who is notorious for not spending more money than necessary). I myself was at once both, mildly surprised to see the show in SD but not surprised at the same time. For all the hype the Golden Globes is a relatively low-budget award show. There isnt nearly the level of production that goes into this show as say The Academy Awards or the Grammys - two shows that command an audience and HD budget. If Dick Clark Productions and NBC have found a financial formula that works for this show (which is it what it appears seeing as the show has been produced exactly the same way for years now), they're probably not going to stop. The Emmys have yet to be done in HD.
Also a movie awards show introduces interesting challenges that can easily cause the post-production budget to skyrocket. Because the networks prohibit airing live events in letterbox, the issue arises of how show a movie clip that's in an aspect ratio other than 16:9 or 4:3. Anamorphic for example is a particular obstacle. For the Oscars this generally means having to edit every nomination package, every montage, every bumper, every music package and animation twice to be able preserve original aspect ratio for both a 16:9 audience and a 4:3 audience. This also generally dictates redundant SD/HD equipment to facilitate some sort of dual feed for both the SD and HD network.
The first year the Oscars were in HD in 2003, it literally took two trucks (one SD & one HD) with identical gear slaved to each other. If a clip rolled from a Profile in the HD truck, it would trigger the profile in the SD truck to simultaneously roll the HD clip and each truck thus sent out a feed to its respective audience. When you add graphics and 5:1 audio, as well the myriad of up and downconversion you can easily see how doing a movie awards show properly in HD can easily cause the budget to spiral.
Also a movie awards show introduces interesting challenges that can easily cause the post-production budget to skyrocket. Because the networks prohibit airing live events in letterbox, the issue arises of how show a movie clip that's in an aspect ratio other than 16:9 or 4:3. Anamorphic for example is a particular obstacle. For the Oscars this generally means having to edit every nomination package, every montage, every bumper, every music package and animation twice to be able preserve original aspect ratio for both a 16:9 audience and a 4:3 audience. This also generally dictates redundant SD/HD equipment to facilitate some sort of dual feed for both the SD and HD network.
The first year the Oscars were in HD in 2003, it literally took two trucks (one SD & one HD) with identical gear slaved to each other. If a clip rolled from a Profile in the HD truck, it would trigger the profile in the SD truck to simultaneously roll the HD clip and each truck thus sent out a feed to its respective audience. When you add graphics and 5:1 audio, as well the myriad of up and downconversion you can easily see how doing a movie awards show properly in HD can easily cause the budget to spiral.
What did NBC drop?
As far as I know, the Globes have never been in HD.
And by the way, NBC's ratings are up this year.
And if you are missing some of NBC's shows (Friday Night Lightsfor one prime example) it is your loss.
Hyperbole often shows more about the person using it than those he is trying to criticize.
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 /forum/post/0
If NBC's goal is to drive away HD viewers then they are doing a great job of it. I don't think there is a single NBC show I watch anymore. I don't understand NBC's thinking. Most of the industry is moving towards HD yet they are content to drop it.
What did NBC drop?
As far as I know, the Globes have never been in HD.
And by the way, NBC's ratings are up this year.
And if you are missing some of NBC's shows (Friday Night Lightsfor one prime example) it is your loss.
Hyperbole often shows more about the person using it than those he is trying to criticize.
I e-mailed my displeasure, as well as the fact that I changed the channel because it wasn't in HD. Hope many others did as well. It's 2007, not 1957. 35 million HD sets (with 1/2 of them currently receiving HD) in Americans households. I understand 9 million HD sets were sold this holiday season --- and Superbowl coming up. Good luck with your direction NBC.
Ratings don't equal quality and if they don't have shows the guy likes, then so be it. It isn't anyones loss if he doesn't like the shows Fred. The wife and I enjoy the Law and Order's and I like Heroes, but outside of that, there isn't much I like either. From what I saw of FNL, I'm not missing much either, but if you like it, great, I am happy for you, but don't assume what YOU think is good, is good for everyone.
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Personally, I support people not watching NBC, if they are going to follow through on Zucker's claim that HD isn't a priority, and as such, they aren't going to be taking advantage of it, like the other networks are.
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What did NBC drop?
As far as I know, the Globes have never been in HD.
And by the way, NBC's ratings are up this year.
And if you are missing some of NBC's shows (Friday Night Lightsfor one prime example) it is your loss.
Hyperbole often shows more about the person using it than those he is trying to criticize.
Ratings don't equal quality and if they don't have shows the guy likes, then so be it. It isn't anyones loss if he doesn't like the shows Fred. The wife and I enjoy the Law and Order's and I like Heroes, but outside of that, there isn't much I like either. From what I saw of FNL, I'm not missing much either, but if you like it, great, I am happy for you, but don't assume what YOU think is good, is good for everyone.
Personally, I support people not watching NBC, if they are going to follow through on Zucker's claim that HD isn't a priority, and as such, they aren't going to be taking advantage of it, like the other networks are.
But they directly affect the bottom line of these media companies and that is the ultimate concern for GE (NBCU) and the other broadcasters.
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Ratings don't equal quality...
But they directly affect the bottom line of these media companies and that is the ultimate concern for GE (NBCU) and the other broadcasters.
Yes, but he was talking about in the context that ratings height equals quality, and thats not the case. I have NEVER been a fan of The Simpsons, but it gets good ratings. I can name you countless films that were popular, that I hated. Bottom line aside, and I see what you are saying, I don't care for the idea of supporting a network, or a show, simply because its what "most viewers" do, especially when they are shunning HD more than any other major network.
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Originally Posted by homcom /forum/post/0
But they directly affect the bottom line of these media companies and that is the ultimate concern for GE (NBCU) and the other broadcasters.
Yes, but he was talking about in the context that ratings height equals quality, and thats not the case. I have NEVER been a fan of The Simpsons, but it gets good ratings. I can name you countless films that were popular, that I hated. Bottom line aside, and I see what you are saying, I don't care for the idea of supporting a network, or a show, simply because its what "most viewers" do, especially when they are shunning HD more than any other major network.
From what I can see it looks like a composite backhaul. IMO NBC's upconverts and decoding generally look better than other networks. The show is also originating from a much smaller venue compared to other award shows.
I'm pretty sure they used one of the NEP Denali trucks for this show which is a component digital outfit (this does not preclude NBC from deciding to send out the backhaul in composite though)
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Originally Posted by TVOD /forum/post/0
From what I can see it looks like a composite backhaul. IMO NBC's upconverts and decoding generally look better than other networks. The show is also originating from a much smaller venue compared to other award shows.
I'm pretty sure they used one of the NEP Denali trucks for this show which is a component digital outfit (this does not preclude NBC from deciding to send out the backhaul in composite though)
Ok, it wasn't in HD, never was in HD, and NBC & Dick Clark Productions are to blame.
Is Dick Clark or NBC to blame? What little I saw of his New Year's Eve show was HD and live to boot from Times Square. Maybe it's not him.
I've been numerous times and can tell you why - they serve Dinner.
...and remember it was on TBS until not that long ago - no real network wanted it as it wasn't a big ratings getter.
The fact is, the Golden Globes is actually a giant scam anyway - you people that think a few people can stuff the ballot box for the Nielsen ratings (they can't) - you would never believe how few votes there are on the Golden Globes and what the Studios do to get those votes (remember, its the Foreign Press voting as well - let's not forget Olympic Figure Skating).
And for the love of god why anyone thinks it is an Oscar indicator......
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Originally Posted by TVOD /forum/post/0
The show is also originating from a much smaller venue compared to other award shows.
I've been numerous times and can tell you why - they serve Dinner.
...and remember it was on TBS until not that long ago - no real network wanted it as it wasn't a big ratings getter.
The fact is, the Golden Globes is actually a giant scam anyway - you people that think a few people can stuff the ballot box for the Nielsen ratings (they can't) - you would never believe how few votes there are on the Golden Globes and what the Studios do to get those votes (remember, its the Foreign Press voting as well - let's not forget Olympic Figure Skating).
And for the love of god why anyone thinks it is an Oscar indicator......
OOOOooooooo let the racial slurs begin !
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Foreigners can't hold "secret ballots" and Americans invented democracy in 1776.
OOOOooooooo Hollywood is the biggest movie making center in the world ! Foreigners can't make movies or TV shows. Hollywood invented acting........
More racial slurs .... please.
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Originally Posted by HDTVFanAtic /forum/post/0
(remember, its the Foreign Press voting as well - let's not forget Olympic Figure Skating).
OOOOooooooo let the racial slurs begin !
Foreigners can't hold "secret ballots" and Americans invented democracy in 1776.
OOOOooooooo Hollywood is the biggest movie making center in the world ! Foreigners can't make movies or TV shows. Hollywood invented acting........
More racial slurs .... please.
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