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Looks like another runco on the prowl here... even though I have no basis in fact for this I have to say that this new PJ from integra just screams LT150 from the specs and size / shape etc...


Slap a hot name on it and watch it fly of the shelves for 10k !!!
 

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That's pretty amazing. I hope they're shipping that thing with a gold brick, otherwise I don't see the value added.


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Here's a fun game....


Four of the Five projectors below are ~$2500 NEC LT-150s projectors. One of them is a $10,500 Integra

http://www.technology4sale.com/produ...eclt150_sm.jpg http://213.183.6.38/images/upload/b9...6c5efd9d1.jpeg http://imgsrv.nextag.com/imagefiles/it/null/lt150.jpg
http://www.audiorevolution.com/news/...9.faroudja.gif http://www.nec-pj.com/french/img/i_lt150.jpg


Can you tell which projector will cost you an extra $8,000?


In other words, you can buy all FOUR of the LT-150s shown in this picture and still put $500 in your pocket for fancy cables, or you can buy the Integra.


Picking the wrong one will be an expensive mistake!
 

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Hey maybe, since it comes with a compact flash slot, they include a compact flash card with a swiss bank account number with $8000 of gold coins :D
 

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It does say that the projector has a digital zoom ( so Its a rebadged LT150Z not 150...) so thats worth say... another $500 then there is that Faroudja processing... hmmm how much is a native rate... say 2000 so they are only really doubling the price!!! :D


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It does say that the projector has a digital zoom ( so Its a rebadged LT150Z not 150...) so thats worth say... another $500 then there is that Faroudja processing... hmmm how much is a native rate... say 2000 so they are only really doubling the price!!! :D


Miles
The LT150 also has a electronic magnification that lets you zoom into any part of the image.
 

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Beats me... I was just trying to help them justify that price tag...


:D


Jack, isn't that a manual focus???


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Beats me... I was just trying to help them justify that price tag...


:D


Jack, isn't that a manual focus???


Miles
Yes the lens has a manual focus. It is a good enough lens that you can focus to see the tiny space between the pixel when you get up close.


The main difference with the Z is that it has a optical zoom which is nice but not worth the extra $1K
 

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This is just too damn funny.


The only weakness of the LT150 that I can think of is its rather slow color wheel. The ad didn't say anything about that so I assume nothing has been done in that regard.


You can download the manual here: http://63.148.251.141/files/own_manuals/DLV100.pdf


It looks like the real improvement is in the Faroujda deinterlacing. However 480i is getting old quickly. For $200+ you can get the Pannasonic RP56 which has a ton of features including Faroujda processing and 480p output.


The lamp is now 135 Watts with two power modes. The low power mode gives the unit an extra 50% more life, but what do you guess that the bulbs are more than 50% more than the LT150?


It does have manual zoom as stated in the manual. So this is a LT150Z knock off.


It also mentions having an RGB output in the press release, but I don't see one on the rear panel pictures at the website.


The only real concern I have is that this might be the way that NEC is planning to enter the HT market (i.e sell good inexpensive gear to a HT specialist copmany like Integra so they can slap on a 300% mark up). My next projector purchase will be a NEC/PLUS 720p projector if one ever comes out. They don't need fancy HT boutiques to sell their gear; word of mouth is all they need.


Overall, I think we should take this Integra thing as a compliment and at the same time say a prayer for the poor sap that buys one.


-Mr. Wigggles
 

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This is just to damn funny.
We need an AVS Hall of Shame that we can publicize things like this. Have members vote the categories each year and release the results to the press.


Maybe we can bring some of these companies back to reality to produce good, rationally priced products. Obviously this is a major candidate for the Hall of Shame.
 

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It looks like the real improvement is in the Faroujda deinterlacing. However 480i is getting old quickly. For $200+ you can get the Pannasonic RP56 which has a ton of features including Faroujda processing and 480p output.
Folks, a bit of clarification is in order, which is obtained by reading the final sentence of the "press release":
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The DLV-100FP1 system is now available with a suggested retail price of $10,500 for the system. The DLV-100 DLP Video Projector can be purchased separately with a suggested retail price of $7,000
So what they are selling a two-piece system: a rebranded NEC projector and a rebranded Faroudja scaler. The projector costs $7,000 by itself. The scaler adds $3,500. That brings their profit down to, what, 250% on the projector?
 

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Here's some food for thought...........


Never forget the bottom line!.


Sam Runco has more money and more projectors than all of you!


He has a successful business, a legion of satisfied customers, and an interest in keeping the moribund CRT industry afloat!


Win!Win!


I sorta like the rebranding and gouging scheme (business model).


Think about it.....


I could have some OTHER company take the heavy initial investment, research, design, messy prototyping process (e.g. ask Mr. Panamorph about this aspect), and production. Essentially, take all of the financial risk.


I rebadge and market at twice the price!


In a capitalistic society (as ours is), what's the beef with Mr. Runco?


I could retire early AND send my two daughters to Ivy league schools.


Also, probably all brand name appliances sitting in your kitchen are rebranded, too. Not to mention the sheets on your bed, the shingles on your roof, fertilizer used on your lawn, and perhaps your car (e.g. Mitsubishi) or private plane.


Remember, like all else, it's all about the money! Believe it or not, there are consumers who feel service above price. Runco has staked his fortune on this. Give Sam a hand!


Jeff


P.S. Without the likes of Mr. Runco and his cohorts who own the large AV showrooms, how would you demo the projectors you buy? You can thank him for that scam, too.
 

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thebland,


All hail the middle-man!?


I guess it is a little bit of a short-sighted American dream, but "money for nothing" shouldn't be part of it.


If given one wish by a genie, most people say "I want a million dollars", I am more likely to say "I want to create something worth a million dollars."


I think your praise of Runco is a little tongue-in-cheek. But never the less, I don't see the man as being able to reach the naive rich. I instead see him as currently beguiling them.


"Don't be foolish in greed, but instead be greedy with fools."


-Mr. Wigggles
 

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Mr. W.


Actually, aspiring to be a 'middleman' (distributor, etc.) is not short sighted as it serves a purpose to consumers and can be quite profitable.


There is a business model to this form of sales, too. 'Money for nothing' is a bit of an oversimplification to the risks / costs these people face in keeping up their business healthy.


You are correct in that my reference to Runco is tongue and cheek. This forum is for fun. You refer to his clientele as rich. I refer to his clientele as a unique consumer group.


I own a Runco CRT and do not consider myself rich nor beguiled by Sam. I merely wanted a good CRT that if faltered would be serviced by the local Hi-Fi ASAP. I got what I wanted. I'm happy. Is that bad?

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If given one wish by a genie, most people say "I want a million dollars", I am more likely to say "I want to create something worth a million dollars."
It appears that Sam (like you) also asked the genie to create something worth a million dollars - a successful projector business. His money nor success came out of thin air.


To close, I hope you don't think the fine folks at Costco who amongst other things rebrand toilet paper are out to assault your ass with their evil sales tactics. They are making a fortune out of rebranding other vendors items (Kirkland brand).


THey're not as bad cuz they're selling for less, correct????


You might think that Runco and Costco are unalike. They are actually very similar in their operational goals..........make $$$$$!


Costco---> rebrand--> sell for less than original product--> PROFIT


Runco---> rebrand--->sell for more than original product-->PROFIT


Both have happy customers. Volume allows Costco to do this. Runco's esoteric products will never allow for volume sales and decreased costs.


Ever read Robb Report? Bunch of naive dummies read it, right?????


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Also, there is a clientele where the performance, and reliability of the product is paramount. As well, the servicing has to be in place to make the failures transparent to the end user. Runco has it's place. People who have the cash simply cannot be bothered to have the time to deal with failures. When you are very busy, and time is money, failures are a REAL problem,and cannot be allowed to happen. If a price must be paid, then it simply is paid, no questions asked. If you had this kind of money, you would understand. No price is too high, get it?
 

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Guys are you forgeting NEC's overnight instacare policy?


The people I know who've used it have been very satisfied.


-Mr. Wigggles
 

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Mr. W.,


You're kidding right??


Tell me overnite instacare means overnighting a tech to your door to fix it on site!


Not removing a 180 lb. projector from the ceiling, crating the beast and sending it off on abumpy ride to some factory for who knows how long?? (not to mention re-hanging/calibrating it).


Not my cup of tea.


Many persons lives are too busy for those hassles. Many are willing to pay to avoid them, too.


C'mon Mr. Wigggles...............give it up.


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I think the problem with Runco is that most of us simply percieve them as a scam (not myself), in which they sell a product, with slight modification, for a much higher price.


What we don't consider, is exactly what was said. They come to your home and fix your product, or have very strong tech support.


Sure, NEC has insta-care, but if you have the money to afford runco, what would you rather have?


If they made a honda civic, and put a mercedes benz logo on it, with all the benifits of owning a benz, but it performs and looks almost identical, I am almost certain many people would pay a ridiculous difference in price for such a car.
 
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