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Renethx, a few questions on DTS Connect:

What exactly does it do?

Is this something that can be obtained through the proper card (4850 or 4870)?

DTS Connect is a real-time DTS encoder which encodes every audio source to DTS. This is a convenient method of passing surround sound through S/PDIF without using analog. Please read BD Movies that result in 2-Channel S/PDIF without DTS Connect or DDL .


If you use HD 4850/4870 (or G35, GeForce 8200/8300), then you don't need DTS Connect/DDL as it supports multichannel LPCM over HDMI and hence audio source need not be encoded to DTS.
 

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Would you recommend

DDR2-800 memory for these boards or would I be better off with else ?

For example,


- A-DATA ADQVE1A16K DDR2-800 2 x 1GB Kit

- A-DATA ADQVE1B16K DDR2-800 2 x 2GB Kit

- G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ DDR2-800 2 x 1GB Kit

- G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ DDR2-800 2 x 2GB Kit
 

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1. Having a really hard time getting it to connect to the main PC. Can't pin anything down signal strength looks good but, sometimes it connects and sometimes it won't.


2. Anytime I change the source on the TV and then switch back I get a black screen and have to reboot the PC to get it to work.

1. What is "it"?

2. This post ? Or that thread may be a good place to ask a question.
 

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What is the best MOBO/VIDEO/AUDIO solution out there to get the best picture and audio. I currently have a sapphire 2600HD video, gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L and HT Omega claro plus+. I prefer a HDMI solution of course. Price and company no issue here. Thanks!

HD 4800 series has several features not found in HD 2600/HD 3600/HD 3800 series:


- UVD 2

-- MPEG-2 hardware acceleration

-- Dual stream (HD+SD) playback support

-- BD-Live support

- ATI Avivo Video Post Processor

-- Color vibrance and flesh tone correction

-- Enhanced DVD upscaling (SD to HD)

-- Automatic dynamic contrast adjustment

- HDMI audio

-- Integrated HD audio controller support multichannel LPCM


Enhanced DVD upscaling has surely nice effects. Compare:




These are captures from HQV Benchmark (SD). Pictures are clearly sharper with HD 4850. Of course the biggest improvement is the support for multichannel LPCM. You can now ditch HT Omega claro plus+.


GA-P35-DS3L was replaced by GA-EP35-DS3L (featuring Dynamic Energy Saver [DES] technology), which was replaced by GA-EP43-DS3L/GA-EP45-DS3L. P43/P45 supports PCI Express 2.0 (twice the bandwidth of PCIe 1.1). Buy you won't see any improvement by upgrading your mb. Of course you can buy a fashionable mb such as ASUS Maximus II Formula (P45), P5Q Deluxe (P45), Rampage Formula (X48), GIGABYTE GA-X480-DS4/DQ6 (X48) or something if money is no issue.
 

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Originally Posted by renethx /forum/post/14229198


HD 4850 has several features not found in HD 2600:


- UVD 2

-- MPEG-2 hardware acceleration

-- Dual stream (HD+SD) playback support

-- BD-Live support

- ATI Avivo Video Post Processor

-- Color vibrance and flesh tone correction

-- Enhanced DVD upscaling (SD to HD)

-- Automatic dynamic contrast adjustment

- HDMI audio

-- Integrated HD audio controller support multichannel LPCM


Enhanced DVD upscaling has surely nice effects. Compare:




These are captures from HQV Benchmark (SD). Pictures are clearly sharper with HD 4850. Of course the biggest improvement is the support for multichannel LPCM. You can now ditch HT Omega claro plus+.


GA-P35-DS3L was replaced by GA-EP35-DS3L (featuring Dynamic Energy Saver [DES] technology), which was replaced by GA-EP43-DS3L/GA-EP45-DS3L. P43/P45 supports PCI Express 2.0 (twice the bandwidth of PCIe 1.1). Buy you won't see any improvement by upgrading your mb. Of course you can buy a fashionable mb such as ASUS Maximus II Formula (P45), P5Q Deluxe (P45), Rampage Formula (X48), GIGABYTE GA-X480-DS4/DQ6 (X48) or something if money is no issue.

How about the AMD platforms? I have been hearing the new 790Gx w/ SB750 is going to be a nice addition for HTPC's. Why the 4850 and not 4870? Just curious there. When and what will allow PAP, is that still in developement phases? I am hoping to future proof a few months here, so if and when HD audio is really passed through to my onkyo, i can really enjoy the movie. Thanks again!!!!
 

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How about the AMD platforms? I have been hearing the new 790Gx w/ SB750 is going to be a nice addition for HTPC's. Why the 4850 and not 4870? Just curious there. When and what will allow PAP, is that still in development phases? I am hoping to future proof a few months here, so if and when HD audio is really passed through to my onkyo, i can really enjoy the movie. Thanks again!!!!

780G/790GX lacks enough stream processors (only 40 vs. 800 in HD 4800 series) for proper post-processing (in particular deinterlacing). If you are not interested in this aspect, 790GX would be a good choice assuming it supports multichannel LPCM. One great advantage of IGP over a discrete GPU is lower power consumption.


Power consumption (system) at idle/BD playback:


- Athlon X2 4850e + GA-MA78GM-S2H: 54W/86W

- Athlon X2 4850e + GA-MA78GM-S2H + Radeon HD 4850: 110W/138W


So you can save 0.5 cents per hour by going with IGP (and of course the system can be quieter).


HD 4870 is identical with HD 4850 in hardware, but with higher core clock and higher memory bandwidth (DDR3 vs. DDR5), that are good for 3D applications.


Please read this post for the current status of PAP.
 

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While I'm thinking of the GA-EP35-DS3R for my server (with a Q6600), what's the difference between the P35 and P45 motherboards?

The main differences are:


- PCIe 1.1 vs. PCIe 2.0

- P45 supports dual PCIe 2.0 x8 in addition to PCIe 2.0 x16
 

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Originally Posted by renethx /forum/post/14229494


780G/790GX lacks enough stream processors (only 40 vs. 800 in HD 4800 series) for proper post-processing (in particular deinterlacing). If you are not interested in this aspect, 790GX would be a good choice assuming it supports multichannel LPCM. One great advantage of IGP over a discrete GPU is lower power consumption.


Power consumption (system) at idle/BD playback:


- Athlon X2 4850e + GA-MA78GM-S2H: 54W/86W

- Athlon X2 4850e + GA-MA78GM-S2H + Radeon HD 4850: 110W/138W


So you can save 0.5 cents per hour by going with IGP (and of course the system can be quieter).


HD 4870 is identical with HD 4850 in hardware, but with higher core clock and higher memory bandwidth (DDR3 vs. DDR5), that are good for 3D applications.


Please read this post for the current status of PAP.



Interesting reading. I think I see the way I want to go. OK, So does the HD 4850 support PAP or not? I can not find that information? Do I need to goto a product such as:

"- ASUS Xonar HDAV1.3

- Auzentech Auzen X-Fi HomeTheater 7.1

- Intel G45 (according to archibael"


I use HDMI to pass through all video and audio to my onkyo. I will go with the 4850 as it seems to have the best ability at HD playback. I guess I will keep it in the intel family after that. I do have the intel E8400, not a bad chip so far. Do I go with a board built in HDMI port, a HDMI port on the HD 4850 or another solution? Do I need the audio card, or will HD 4850 support PAP and pass through the audio? Sorry for the questions, It does make for interesting reading as fast as technology is turning. Thanks!
 

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1. What is "it"?

2. This post ? Or that thread may be a good place to ask a question.

It being the new HTPC


Also if I keep having problems with the SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 3450 losing sink with the TV is there another resonable card you would recomend?

Thanks again for all your help!
 

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For example,


- A-DATA ADQVE1A16K DDR2-800 2 x 1GB Kit

- A-DATA ADQVE1B16K DDR2-800 2 x 2GB Kit

- G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ DDR2-800 2 x 1GB Kit

- G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ DDR2-800 2 x 2GB Kit

Thanks again renethx.

I have a chance to buy a CPU/MB combo

deal locally for $250. (Q9450 + ECS GF7050VT-M )

There's also a local sale for Q6600 for $190.

I wasn't thinking about the Q9450 but after seeing

this $250 deal I'm thinking Q6600 or Q9450 ?

MB which comes with it is probably useless

and I'll still buy GA-EP45-DS3R($160) OR Asus P5Q-E($170).


This is probably a decision I have to make..

but given these prices and the 45nm MBs mentioned here,

do you see Q9450 adding more value/performance

to my system ?
 

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Interesting reading. I think I see the way I want to go. OK, So does the HD 4850 support PAP or not? I can not find that information? Do I need to goto a product such as:

"- ASUS Xonar HDAV1.3

- Auzentech Auzen X-Fi HomeTheater 7.1

- Intel G45 (according to archibael"


I use HDMI to pass through all video and audio to my onkyo. I will go with the 4850 as it seems to have the best ability at HD playback. I guess I will keep it in the intel family after that. I do have the intel E8400, not a bad chip so far. Do I go with a board built in HDMI port, a HDMI port on the HD 4850 or another solution? Do I need the audio card, or will HD 4850 support PAP and pass through the audio? Sorry for the questions, It does make for interesting reading as fast as technology is turning. Thanks!

PAP is useless unless a software player supporting it exists. So you have to wait until a new version of PowerDVD or TMT is released and see if it supports HD 4850's PAP (if exists). The same applies to G45. Even if G45 supports PAP, we don't know yet what player supports it.
 

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How does the HD 3870 compare the 4850 for HTPC use?

Thanks in advance

Please read this post .
 

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It being the new HTPC


Also if I keep having problems with the SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 3450 losing sink with the TV is there another resonable card you would recomend?

Thanks again for all your help!

Try GeForce 8500 GT/8600 GT.
 

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Thanks again renethx.

I have a chance to buy a CPU/MB combo

deal locally for $250. (Q9450 + ECS GF7050VT-M )

There's also a local sale for Q6600 for $190.

I wasn't thinking about the Q9450 but after seeing

this $250 deal I'm thinking Q6600 or Q9450 ?

MB which comes with it is probably useless

and I'll still buy GA-EP45-DS3R($160) OR Asus P5Q-E($170).


This is probably a decision I have to make..

but given these prices and the 45nm MBs mentioned here,

do you see Q9450 adding more value/performance

to my system ?

Q9450 is faster in encoding (up to +50% depending on applications) and consumes less power (by 25W at full load).
 

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PAP is useless unless a software player supporting it exists. So you have to wait until a new version of PowerDVD or TMT is released and see if it supports HD 4850's PAP (if exists). The same applies to G45. Even if G45 supports PAP, we don't know yet what player supports it.

OK. So I guess the only real way I can do this is this. Purchase a 4850 which will give me better then the sound I have through my 2600HD. Then purchase the ASUS Xonar HDAV1.3 or Auzentech Auzen X-Fi HomeTheater 7.1 to bypass PAP (Sort of speak).


From what I read, PowerDvd will release version 9 sometime in the next few months. Which unlocks the true sound of HD. Or I can use the above mentioned sounds cards to bypass (sort of speak), the PAP issue. What truly sucks is, if you go with cyberlink you lose HD-DVD. If you go with TMT you lose the ability to play Blu-Ray from ISO. I tried WinDVD, and you also lost Blu-Ray play back from ISO. Choices seem to narrow as you sort out what you want to do. Thanks again Renethx
 

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OK. So I guess the only real way I can do this is this. Purchase a 4850 which will give me better then the sound I have through my 2600HD. Then purchase the ASUS Xonar HDAV1.3 or Auzentech Auzen X-Fi HomeTheater 7.1 to bypass PAP (Sort of speak).


From what I read, PowerDvd will release version 9 sometime in the next few months. Which unlocks the true sound of HD. Or I can use the above mentioned sounds cards to bypass (sort of speak), the PAP issue. What truly sucks is, if you go with cyberlink you lose HD-DVD. If you go with TMT you lose the ability to play Blu-Ray from ISO. I tried WinDVD, and you also lost Blu-Ray play back from ISO. Choices seem to narrow as you sort out what you want to do. Thanks again Renethx

Huh? They all play BluRay from ISO. You just mount the ISO with DaemonTools.


ISO playback will always be possible since it looks identical to a real disc.
 

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Huh? They all play BluRay from ISO. You just mount the ISO with DaemonTools.


ISO playback will always be possible since it looks identical to a real disc.

No they do not! WindDVD 9 does not do that, it stops immediately if AACS is not present. I confirmed that with their tech support before I was issued a refund. TMT, I just did not know, I had heard it did the same thing. So the catch is to get HD-DVD to play, which way do you go?
 

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I am almost finished with my HTPC, but I am not sure what the best software is out there to rip blu-ray discs to my hard-drive. Any recommendations?


Case Silverstone LC17-B

Power Supply AeroCool Zerodba 620W

Video Card 512MB Zotac nVIDIA GeForce 8800GT Amp!

MotherBoard ASUS P5K3 DELUXE

CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300

RAM CORSAIR 4GB(2X2G) DDR2

Hard Drive Barracuda 7200.11 SATA 3Gb/s 500-GB Hard Drive

Sound Card HT OMEGA CLARO 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI

Blu Ray LG GGC-H20L combo Blu-Ray/HD DVD player
 

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No they do not! WindDVD 9 does not do that, it stops immediately if AACS is not present. I confirmed that with their tech support before I was issued a refund. TMT, I just did not know, I had heard it did the same thing. So the catch is to get HD-DVD to play, which way do you go?

TMT plays HDDVD just fine.


If WinDVD9 doesn't play non-AACS BD (which has nothing to do with ISO's), then that's a fault in their software. I can create non-AACS BD's from my camcorder, and all BD-playing software should play then fine. If they don't, the software is falt out wrong.


Any issues you have are not related to ISO's. ISO's are transparent to software and look like physical media.
 
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