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Seriously. I think there's been more bigfoot sightings in the last 2 months. I want to gage 240hz w/interpolation with my own eyes before making a decision. I have reference BD's in-waiting to test away. I'm already seeing online prices for this television dip, but haven't found it in a single store locally, HALF of which regularly carry Sony XBR's. What's going on?


My biggest beef with LCD's is motion-handling and even a marginal performance increase in this area would likely swing me.


All this BE 2 Engine bashing as of late has me a bit worried though too.


Who's seen this thing and can provide input?


I've read the CNET review BTW, and DK (a perennial LCD/Sony semi-hater) prolly gulped when he had to admit that motion resolution WAS improved with the 7 over existing 120hz units (one of the most back-handed 4-star reviews you'd ever hope to read). Although he quickly noted that the improvement would not be warranted for most HDTV buyers.



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I've read the CNET review BTW, and DK (a perennial LCD/Sony semi-hater) prolly gulped when he had to admit that motion resolution WAS improved with the 7 over existing 120hz units (one of the most back-handed 4-star reviews you'd ever hope to read). Although he quickly noted that the improvement would not be warranted for most HDTV buyers.

Well, I would agree that 120Hz improves motion resolution as well, but that doesn't mean I like it. I don't expect I'd like 240Hz either, but maybe it doesn't make it look all fake...dunno.


Although I did use MotionFlow when watching Freedom on bd the other day...it helped and didn't look *too* odd...
 

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I saw the 52XBR7 at my local SonyStyle store last weekend. So far, that's the only store that seems to carry it.


It was placed in the back of the store where it's dark and the set can take center stage (it was labeled "new arrival"). The unit design and silver speaker bar are exactly the same as the 52XBR6 (contrary to some internet pictures with a black speaker bar instead). I sat for a few minutes to watch "Casino Royale" blue ray that was playing on it. Unfortunately, they had it set way too bright... so much that the actors and scenery were mostly washed out and ghost-like. So I couldn't judge any black levels, colors, shadow detail or anything like that.


As for the 240hz, motion flow seemed to be set to high, but there was still some haloing going on during some medium-quick movement. They weren't too obvious, but honestly it was hard for me to tell exactly if they were less compared to the XBR6's high setting. Guess I'd have to see both side by side to know. I was hoping the 240hz would mean a completely artifact-free image all the time, but no such luck for now...


I'll be going back this weekend to take another look at it hopefully, maybe the salespeople have actually noticed it's not properly set by now.
 

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I saw the 52XBR7 at my local SonyStyle store last weekend. So far, that's the only store that seems to carry it......


......I'll be going back this weekend to take another look at it hopefully, maybe the salespeople have actually noticed it's not properly set by now.

great. if you do, will you report about it here, will you also do in the xbr7 owners thread?


and if possible, can you see if you can see any broadcast sports on it? to me that's what i'd be looking to benefit from the 240 Hz but even reviews don't specifically talk to that. sony must think it's the target audience seeing as they are launching an international marketing campaign for 240 Hz cnetered around soccer (football).


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I read somewhere online (think CNet) that the 240hz MotionFlow isn't really that much of an improvement over the 120Hz. If any it's very minimal.
 

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I saw the 52XBR7 at my local SonyStyle store last weekend. So far, that's the only store that seems to carry it.


It was placed in the back of the store where it's dark and the set can take center stage (it was labeled "new arrival"). The unit design and silver speaker bar are exactly the same as the 52XBR6 (contrary to some internet pictures with a black speaker bar instead). I sat for a few minutes to watch "Casino Royale" blue ray that was playing on it. Unfortunately, they had it set way too bright... so much that the actors and scenery were mostly washed out and ghost-like. So I couldn't judge any black levels, colors, shadow detail or anything like that.


As for the 240hz, motion flow seemed to be set to high, but there was still some haloing going on during some medium-quick movement. They weren't too obvious, but honestly it was hard for me to tell exactly if they were less compared to the XBR6's high setting. Guess I'd have to see both side by side to know. I was hoping the 240hz would mean a completely artifact-free image all the time, but no such luck for now...


I'll be going back this weekend to take another look at it hopefully, maybe the salespeople have actually noticed it's not properly set by now.

thanks for this. Man, I hope your unit was just poorly set-up/calibrated. I'm not expecting a night and day difference, just something worthwhile.


To be completely honest, i just don't trust Kazwhoever at CNET. He has an obvious bias towards plasmas, and thats fine I guess, but I think it "clouds" his critiques on top-performing LCD's, which, I don't care what anyone says, still offer some +'s over plasma tech.


Like for instance the way he downplays the improved motion handling, stating that it won't matter to MOST viewers.


Really? Like who? I would gaurantee you that the two biggest complaints about LCD tech right now are the black levels and motion handling. 1 and 2, (swap em' maybe?) no question about it.


Who the hell does he think would be a prospective buyer of a $4,000 52" TV anyway? Likely someone who this DOES matter to!


Lastly, motion can be a funny thing as we all know. There's a good chance I could walk into a store and watch a feed for 15 minutes, think it looks great, only to get it home and find out its video processor gets exploited with other material.


That why I have specific media that I want to try out first hand and get this squared away. Again, a marginal improvement in motion handling to a guy sensitive to it like me could rate a 9/10...to some boob like Kazplasma only perhaps a 5-6/10.


Just by his review alone I still think this set could be promising for motion-nazi's like me.


anyone else seen this tele under "better" showroom circumstance?


thanks again,

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Well, I would agree that 120Hz improves motion resolution as well, but that doesn't mean I like it. I don't expect I'd like 240Hz either, but maybe it doesn't make it look all fake...dunno.


Although I did use MotionFlow when watching Freedom on bd the other day...it helped and didn't look *too* odd...


I was in the same camp you are jakichan. "Smoothing", especially Sony's version of it, takes a bit of getting used to. I NEVER use it with movies, but it's also NEVER off with sports or video-based media.


To me, it simply was never really intended for film. And when it's applied to it (film), it becomes obvious why.


Count me as VERY anxious as well to check it out with sports.
 

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That why I have specific media that I want to try out first hand and get this squared away. Again, a marginal improvement in motion handling to a guy sensitive to it like me could rate a 9/10...to some boob like Kazplasma only perhaps a 5-6/10.


Just by his review alone I still think this set could be promising for motion-nazi's like me.


I read that review on cnet too. The 240hz was an improvement over 120hz in motion resolution tests... but with actual video material, the difference was much harder to discern. That's my take on the brief time seeing this TV: Motion was smooth, but had some artifacting... possibly better motion and possibly less artifacting than the 120hz XBR6 but seemed to me very close.
 

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I read that review on cnet too. The 240hz was an improvement over 120hz in motion resolution tests... but with actual video material, the difference was much harder to discern. That's my take on the brief time seeing this TV: Motion was smooth, but had some artifacting... possibly better motion and possibly less artifacting than the 120hz XBR6 but seemed to me very close.

Right, it depends upon the media you're vewing. I seriously, seriously doubt Kazplasma spent a good deal of time watching sporting events and television programs where it (smear/blur,etc) rears it's ugly head most often. As a matter of fact, I didn't read a mention of either in the "review" come to think of it.


I trust your judgment more, but even your own experience seemed to be under somehwat "questionable" (my word) conditions with a film-based source.


Unfortunately, not exactly the parameters I'm looking for. Still grateful, though
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That said, I wouldn't be surprised at all if your early inclinations are correct and there is "just" a nominal improvement (which again, some would value more than others).


James
 
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