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Does your Samsumg 550/650/760 have BI or IR?

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I think Samsungs generally get a bad wrap on this board about Burn In and Image Retention. I would like owners to take part and set the record straight on current stated models only.
 

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Samsung earned their reputation for bad IR, and it will take quite a while of it being a non issue for people to get over it. Sharp is in a similar predicament with their LCDs, they have had banding problems for a while now, and even if they fix it, it has left it's mark on the companies reputation and will take a while for people who have had those problems to feel safe buying from them again.
 

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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON /forum/post/15464415


Samsung earned their reputation for bad IR, and it will take quite a while of it being a non issue for people to get over it. Sharp is in a similar predicament with their LCDs, they have had banding problems for a while now, and even if they fix it, it has left it's mark on the companies reputation and will take a while for people who have had those problems to feel safe buying from them again.


EVERY plasma has IR.


Pio's and Panny's have earned the same reputation.
 

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EVERY plasma has IR.

Yes, absolutely correct.

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Pio's and Panny's have earned the same reputation.

Strongly disagree here. Samsung went through some QC issues with driver voltage being too high and inducing strong IR. Also, phosphor, gas mixture, dielectric materials and driving voltage vary between manufacturers. All of these contribute to IR magnitude.
 

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I had a 450 with pretty bad IR. It was comparable to the old Vizio I had. I now have a Panasonic and IR is pretty much nonexistent.
 

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Yes, absolutely correct.


Strongly disagree here. Samsung went through some QC issues with driver voltage being too high and inducing strong IR. Also, phosphor, gas mixture, dielectric materials and driving voltage vary between manufacturers. All of these contribute to IR magnitude.

I agree Samsung went through hardships with IR, with older generation displays, newer generation plasma PDP's are much more resistant to IR. I should know....I own a Samsung and IR is non existent.


Certainly you will find posts where Samsung owners are complaining of having IR, same can be said for other models as well.
 

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My 650 has only had minor IR that lasted for 1-2 minutes when the set was fairly new. Now that I have ~200+hrs on it IR is nonexistent.
 

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I experience pretty serious IR after all but absolutely ideal viewing endeavors with my PN50A550. Sometimes it can take several hours of scrolling to nullify its effects, and even weeks to do so entirely.


I wish it weren't the case, but I'm not bitter. I still like my TV.
 

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I experience pretty serious IR after all but absolutely ideal viewing endeavors with my PN50A550. Sometimes it can take several hours of scrolling to nullify its effects, and even weeks to do so entirely.


I wish it weren't the case, but I'm not bitter. I still like my TV.

It seems that Samsung just can't get their Quality Control in check, some panels are perfect but there are many that have minor to major flaws, are the problem panels even from Samsung? (there is a big debate to this over on the LCD forum as to whether they are outsourcing their panels for some sets) could the same thing be happening to their plasma sets?
 

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My 650 has only had minor IR that lasted for 1-2 minutes when the set was fairly new. Now that I have ~200+hrs on it IR is nonexistent.

That was my experience as well. And it's what I expected.
 

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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON /forum/post/15476231


It seems that Samsung just can't get their Quality Control in check, some panels are perfect but there are many that have minor to major flaws, are the problem panels even from Samsung? (there is a big debate to this over on the LCD forum as to whether they are outsourcing their panels for some sets) could the same thing be happening to their plasma sets?
This isn't exclusive to Samsung alone but every manufactuer. Even if Samsung were only affected it won't be long before all other makers join the 'save a penny' game. Looks like some others makers already have....


I spoke with an executive from Pioneer the other day and the bottom line was 'everyone is feeling the pinch'. Prices will either slash or parts will need to take a turn or both.
 

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This isn't exclusive to Samsung alone but every manufactuer. Even if Samsung were only affected it won't be long before all other makers join the 'save a penny' game. Looks like some others makers already have....


I spoke with an executive from Pioneer the other day and the bottom line was 'everyone is feeling the pinch'. Prices will either slash or parts will need to take a turn or both.

Panasonic doesn't seem to be having these QC problems, and I know that Pioneer isn't outsoursing their panels from "unknown" manufacturers. Next year Pio will be using Panasonic panels built to Pio specs, but at least we know where they are coming from. Getting a decent Samsung panel is like a lottery, it seems to be completly random. They have been doing this for years and have an established history of switching panels in their displays.


You keep saying that every problem Samsung has, every brand has, but there isn't anything to back that claim up.
 

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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON /forum/post/15477104


Panasonic doesn't seem to be having these QC problems, and I know that Pioneer isn't outsoursing their panels from "unknown" manufacturers. Next year Pio will be using Panasonic panels built to Pio specs, but at least we know where they are coming from. Getting a decent Samsung panel is like a lottery, it seems to be completly random. They have been doing this for years and have an established history of switching panels in their displays.


You keep saying that every problem Samsung has, every brand has, but there isn't anything to back that claim up.

I call that selective reading on your part.
How you continuously fail to see the issues from Panny's and Pio's (in this forum alone) is beyond me.


Furthermore, what information you get from blogs/forums/emails.... I get from executive levels.
 

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Furthermore, what information you get from blogs/forums/emails.... I get from executive levels.

First of all, proof please, many people come onto message boards and claim to have insider info like you just did, and most of them wind up to be making it up as they go to support their agenda. If you can provide proof of your "executive connections" then I will apologize, but I have seen this claim far many times to just blindly believe it.
 

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I have a 58A650, played by the break in rules for well over 100hrs, the set has about 170+hrs and the wife wants to watch her shows, you know ones with blazing logos and black bar bonanzas.


Of course after every few hours I have to run the scrolling screen pattern as the IR is atrocious. When I comment about her watching the aforementioned shows I'll let your imagination guess what her comments are
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I have a relative that has a Panny 850 that I have seen from the beginning and the IR is NO WHERE as bad as this Sammy, in fact it is not noticable at all now even after watching channels like ESPN and FOX News not to mention the black levels put my Sammy's to shame. Unfortunately I love the CMS feature on the Sammy and the colors are beautiful, but the other issues will probably force me to return it and see what's coming out at CES 09.
 

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First of all, proof please, many people come onto message boards and claim to have insider info like you just did, and most of them wind up to be making it up as they go to support their agenda. If you can provide proof of your "executive connections" then I will apologize, but I have seen this claim far many times to just blindly believe it.

What proof are you looking for?


The mere fact that this forum alone has all the evidence you need and yet you still refuse to admit otherwise I will not waste my time in providing further documentation supporting my involvement with these manufactuers.


I don't come to these forums and take sides with Samsung. As a matter of fact I have even recommended other brands to AVS members. Each panel/model has it's unique feature(s), if all you see in front of you is anything other than Samsung then we all know what stance you take coming into these posts spewing out nonsense.
 

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A friend has the 42a450 and he went to bed with the rock band menu on for about 8 hrs. It had burn in which hasn't completely gone away weeks later but has improved according to him, I call it burn in and not IR cause it hasn't gone away yet and I don't know if it ever will. I also noticed the pink vertical band on the left part of the screen during white scenes like the ice in hockey. To be fair it's not that noticeable and may still go away completely possibly but it would bug me cause once you notice it you can't stop looking for it. I have a panny 42px77u and it has a fair amount of IR but it goes away fairly quickly so it's not an issue. The worst I did with it was leaving a dvd menu on for about 3 hrs but that went away shortly too.
 

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I have an older Sammy. It had minor IR a few times early. One was due to static image left on for a few hours. It went away within an hour. That was the worst and I haven't had any issues with IR since.

I can't vote because mine is not one of the current units.


Pendagroon, perhaps the reason you don't see as many IR issues for pannys is the owners can't get their sets on in the first place. There are countless threads here on panny power-up issues and problems with power supplies.
 
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