I assume they will have a solution for my older 65 "RPTV which does not have any HDMI inputs, only component......as long as they will pay for me to replace that set with a newer version at their expense I have no problem with that change.
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If people are breaking the law and selling copies of HBO shows I can see why HBO would be upset. Go after those pirates and charge them to the full extent of the law. I just don't understand why HBO is so hell bent on screwing over all of there paying customers who just want to make backups. If I want to make a copy, I should be able to. I have given HBO a great deal of money over the years. As far as recording HDTV over the component connection I have yet to hear of anything that can do this. 5c and other forms of protection on this so called "premium" content only hurts the average viewer who wants to make legitimate backups. The pirates will find a way no matter what protection HBO uses. All of this "protection" has done is cause people like myself to do things in the grey area. Suddenly I am downloading shows/movies from torrent sites and the newsgroups. It has also alienated me to the point were I am seriously considering cancelling all of my service and just downloading everything I want.
TheRock...
I agree.
- Tim
I agree.
- Tim
All of this DRM or "Digital Consumer Enablement" (did that make anyone else laugh until it hurt?) as Zitter wants to call it, has nothing to do with piracy. It has to do with control.
Picture it this way- without DRM you can go get a HTPC and keep adding hard drives, record to your heart's content, broadcast to be viewed on other TVs in your house, re-rip to view on your iPod, and archive seasons of say Entourage to view again and again (i.e.- exercise fair use).
What does HBO and the rest of the entertainment industry want to force? They want to force you to buy HBO to watch it live, pay your cable company for multiple DVRs if you want to see it in multiple rooms, buy the ITMS version for your iPod, and buy the season on DVD. Purchasing the content (or license to view the content) once isnt good enough for their greedy business plans. So what do they do to force this plan? They convince congress/the FCC that the average US citizen is guilty of pirating from square 1, and they need all the broadcast flags and DRM because we are all stealing.
As I've said before- I have no problem with them distributing their content how they want- lock it up so bad that no one can see it, for all I care. But dont be so deceitful about it. Funny thing is, if they told the truth, that they need DRM to charge the consumer over and over and over again for the same thing, no one would buy into it. But turning themselves into the "victim" sure seems to be working, and probably will work unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by TheRock /forum/post/0
Go after those pirates and charge them to the full extent of the law. I just don't understand why HBO is so hell bent on screwing over all of there paying customers who just want to make backups.
All of this DRM or "Digital Consumer Enablement" (did that make anyone else laugh until it hurt?) as Zitter wants to call it, has nothing to do with piracy. It has to do with control.
Picture it this way- without DRM you can go get a HTPC and keep adding hard drives, record to your heart's content, broadcast to be viewed on other TVs in your house, re-rip to view on your iPod, and archive seasons of say Entourage to view again and again (i.e.- exercise fair use).
What does HBO and the rest of the entertainment industry want to force? They want to force you to buy HBO to watch it live, pay your cable company for multiple DVRs if you want to see it in multiple rooms, buy the ITMS version for your iPod, and buy the season on DVD. Purchasing the content (or license to view the content) once isnt good enough for their greedy business plans. So what do they do to force this plan? They convince congress/the FCC that the average US citizen is guilty of pirating from square 1, and they need all the broadcast flags and DRM because we are all stealing.
As I've said before- I have no problem with them distributing their content how they want- lock it up so bad that no one can see it, for all I care. But dont be so deceitful about it. Funny thing is, if they told the truth, that they need DRM to charge the consumer over and over and over again for the same thing, no one would buy into it. But turning themselves into the "victim" sure seems to be working, and probably will work unfortunately.
Well, that and the gobs and gobs of Hollywood cash deposited into the re-election funds of the relevant public servants.
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Originally Posted by Nero /forum/post/0
As I've said before- I have no problem with them distributing their content how they want- lock it up so bad that no one can see it, for all I care. But dont be so deceitful about it. Funny thing is, if they told the truth, that they need DRM to charge the consumer over and over and over again for the same thing, no one would buy into it. But turning themselves into the "victim" sure seems to be working, and probably will work unfortunately.
Well, that and the gobs and gobs of Hollywood cash deposited into the re-election funds of the relevant public servants.
Bob Zitter is a fool. He is holding back on on demand because of this? Why does he even have an HD channel, then? Does he realize that people can "pirate" shows right off the regular HBO HD channel?
And this man is head of technology???
And this man is head of technology???
I must be missing out on something good here. I never download stuff off the internet - even the legal stuff except for a couple times just to see what the big deal is.
However, to hear Hollywood call it, you'd thing everyone with a DSL or cable conenction was pirating content. If that's the case, here must be some real gold out there that I'm missing because I just don't see it. Maybe my grandmother knows. She's pretty shifty. I'll bet she's a hardcore content pirate.
Everything I want comes right to my home - including DVDs via Netflix. I can't imagine going through the bother some people go through to get stuff via bit torrent or P2P sites. Probably the worst thing I've done is rip and shrink a few of my DVDs down to watch on my PDA. I certainly don't share them with others. Other people can bloody well buy their own content. They can't share mine. Honestly, I'd be glad to buy that stuff from I-tunes if my PDA played Quicktime stuff. That's the only reason I even put that much effort into it.
Of course, if the studios let the cat out of the bag about who is really putting the illegal content out there, they'd never get support from the feds. From what I read, most of the content comes from people working in the studios themselves. If that's true, these guys need to police themselves before handcuffing us with more limiting technology.
However, to hear Hollywood call it, you'd thing everyone with a DSL or cable conenction was pirating content. If that's the case, here must be some real gold out there that I'm missing because I just don't see it. Maybe my grandmother knows. She's pretty shifty. I'll bet she's a hardcore content pirate.
Everything I want comes right to my home - including DVDs via Netflix. I can't imagine going through the bother some people go through to get stuff via bit torrent or P2P sites. Probably the worst thing I've done is rip and shrink a few of my DVDs down to watch on my PDA. I certainly don't share them with others. Other people can bloody well buy their own content. They can't share mine. Honestly, I'd be glad to buy that stuff from I-tunes if my PDA played Quicktime stuff. That's the only reason I even put that much effort into it.
Of course, if the studios let the cat out of the bag about who is really putting the illegal content out there, they'd never get support from the feds. From what I read, most of the content comes from people working in the studios themselves. If that's true, these guys need to police themselves before handcuffing us with more limiting technology.
Trust me, it's not very hard at all, especially when the movies get leaked months before they come out on dvd.
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV /forum/post/0
Everything I want comes right to my home - including DVDs via Netflix. I can't imagine going through the bother some people go through to get stuff via bit torrent or P2P sites.
Trust me, it's not very hard at all, especially when the movies get leaked months before they come out on dvd.
I pretty much agree with all that you said. What this is about is that Hollywood wants to eventually have the ability for complete PPV of every program, network and otherwise. The ultimate goal is to make us pay each and every time we watch (or listen in the case of music CD's) any of their products. DIVX (if I spelled that correctly) was a start in that direction but the public wouldn't buy it, so, if we won't buy it the plan is now to force it upon us. Piracy is for the most part simply the excuse they will use to justify their restrictions. We all know piracy is wrong, but we also know that no system of controls will ever stop the real industry pirates as they will figure a way around the system, it will only stop you and me from making 'fair use' of their product instead of PPV.
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Originally Posted by Nero /forum/post/0
All of this DRM or "Digital Consumer Enablement" (did that make anyone else laugh until it hurt?) as Zitter wants to call it, has nothing to do with piracy. It has to do with control.
Picture it this way- without DRM you can go get a HTPC and keep adding hard drives, record to your heart's content, broadcast to be viewed on other TVs in your house, re-rip to view on your iPod, and archive seasons of say Entourage to view again and again (i.e.- exercise fair use).
What does HBO and the rest of the entertainment industry want to force? They want to force you to buy HBO to watch it live, pay your cable company for multiple DVRs if you want to see it in multiple rooms, buy the ITMS version for your iPod, and buy the season on DVD. Purchasing the content (or license to view the content) once isnt good enough for their greedy business plans. So what do they do to force this plan? They convince congress/the FCC that the average US citizen is guilty of pirating from square 1, and they need all the broadcast flags and DRM because we are all stealing.
As I've said before- I have no problem with them distributing their content how they want- lock it up so bad that no one can see it, for all I care. But dont be so deceitful about it. Funny thing is, if they told the truth, that they need DRM to charge the consumer over and over and over again for the same thing, no one would buy into it. But turning themselves into the "victim" sure seems to be working, and probably will work unfortunately.
I pretty much agree with all that you said. What this is about is that Hollywood wants to eventually have the ability for complete PPV of every program, network and otherwise. The ultimate goal is to make us pay each and every time we watch (or listen in the case of music CD's) any of their products. DIVX (if I spelled that correctly) was a start in that direction but the public wouldn't buy it, so, if we won't buy it the plan is now to force it upon us. Piracy is for the most part simply the excuse they will use to justify their restrictions. We all know piracy is wrong, but we also know that no system of controls will ever stop the real industry pirates as they will figure a way around the system, it will only stop you and me from making 'fair use' of their product instead of PPV.
Which confirms my point about it coming from the inside, not from you and me.
(Well, okay, I can't be sure about you, but certainly not from me...
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg /forum/post/0
Trust me, it's not very hard at all, especially when the movies get leaked months before they come out on dvd.
Which confirms my point about it coming from the inside, not from you and me.
(Well, okay, I can't be sure about you, but certainly not from me...
However, Zitter says most cable subscribers are still using the old component connections because the component cables are cheaper than a DVI or HDMI cable.
People pay for an HDTV, but darn those pesky cables...yeah, sure....
People pay for an HDTV, but darn those pesky cables...yeah, sure....
What are people to do that don't have a hdmi input on their hd tv's an early adopter like myself didn't have that option on their tv. Is HBO saying I can't watch HD content now.
ding. ding. ding. we have a winner. hollywood's biggest problem isnt home users or the guys sneaking cameras into the movies, its inside guys that are leaking dvd rips and screeners. Hollywood needs to go after them and stay the hell out of my home theater.
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Of course, if the studios let the cat out of the bag about who is really putting the illegal content out there, they'd never get support from the feds. From what I read, most of the content comes from people working in the studios themselves. If that's true, these guys need to police themselves before handcuffing us with more limiting technology.
ding. ding. ding. we have a winner. hollywood's biggest problem isnt home users or the guys sneaking cameras into the movies, its inside guys that are leaking dvd rips and screeners. Hollywood needs to go after them and stay the hell out of my home theater.
HBO programming Sucks now & is overpriced
LOL
LOL
I agree, but I still do not believe the piracy issue is as big as they make it sound (yes, it is illegal and should be stopped). I believe they exaggerate that threat in order to get what they really want....PPV for everything, every time you watch it. For example, just imagine the money Disney and Pixar could make on movies for kids for example. Anyone who has had children knows they can watch the same movie 40 times a week if you let them. For my money the whole impetus behind all of this is PPV or Pay-per-Play. In the case of HBO, just imagine the money if they got $3 every time you watch an episode of The Sopranos for the next 50 years. Instead of a onetime $30 for a DVD, they get to charge you forever each time you put it on.
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ding. ding. ding. we have a winner. hollywood's biggest problem isnt home users or the guys sneaking cameras into the movies, its inside guys that are leaking dvd rips and screeners.................
I agree, but I still do not believe the piracy issue is as big as they make it sound (yes, it is illegal and should be stopped). I believe they exaggerate that threat in order to get what they really want....PPV for everything, every time you watch it. For example, just imagine the money Disney and Pixar could make on movies for kids for example. Anyone who has had children knows they can watch the same movie 40 times a week if you let them. For my money the whole impetus behind all of this is PPV or Pay-per-Play. In the case of HBO, just imagine the money if they got $3 every time you watch an episode of The Sopranos for the next 50 years. Instead of a onetime $30 for a DVD, they get to charge you forever each time you put it on.
That would be their desire. You'd either have to accept a downrezzed picture, or invest in a new TV with HDMI (I'm in the same boat with a Mitsubishi RPTV I got in 2002).
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What are people to do that don't have a hdmi input on their hd tv's an early adopter like myself didn't have that option on their tv. Is HBO saying I can't watch HD content now.
That would be their desire. You'd either have to accept a downrezzed picture, or invest in a new TV with HDMI (I'm in the same boat with a Mitsubishi RPTV I got in 2002).
Can they possibly do this? What a backlash there will inevitably be against HBO if this actually somehow happens.
There are much better and easier ways to pirate HBO content thand via component cables. I seriously doubt any "pirates" are doing it this way.
This would just screw the paying customers.
This would just screw the paying customers.
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