HCFR - Open source projector and display calibration software
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There are 2 workarounds for the scroll bar/hidden rows (see attached pic):
1. (Easier) Click the down arrow next to the Editable Data box until all the rows are displayed.
2. You can resize each row like you would in Excel by clicking and dragging the row lines in the leftmost column until everything fits.
Unfortunately it doesn't save these changes so you have to do it everytime you create or open a chc file.
Also, I ran a quick test on my PC monitor using the Argyll drivers and an original Monaco Optix (not the DTP94, the C5-ish? model) and it worked. I'll provide more detail when I have time to measure my plasma.
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Originally Posted by JohnAd /forum/post/21735442
Yep, drives me mad tooit's on the list, I am focussing in driver issues for now though so won't get fixed in the next version but probably the one after that.![]()
John
There are 2 workarounds for the scroll bar/hidden rows (see attached pic):
1. (Easier) Click the down arrow next to the Editable Data box until all the rows are displayed.
2. You can resize each row like you would in Excel by clicking and dragging the row lines in the leftmost column until everything fits.
Unfortunately it doesn't save these changes so you have to do it everytime you create or open a chc file.
Also, I ran a quick test on my PC monitor using the Argyll drivers and an original Monaco Optix (not the DTP94, the C5-ish? model) and it worked. I'll provide more detail when I have time to measure my plasma.
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I made my first (partial) test run and I'm embarrassed to say the Calibration for Dummies guide threw me a couple times
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but I stuck with it and understand better.
My setup: Panasonic P60ST30 and i1Display Pro (i1D3)
Preparation was fairly easy but I wasn't sure if I was supposed to calibrate my meter or not... I tried, but nothing happened when I clicked on the "Calibrate Meter" button so I moved on.
I clicked on the Green Arrow and the meter began taking readings, although I'm not exactly sure what I was supposed to do at that point. I spent several minutes trying to see if putting the meter in a different location made a difference but the only thing I noticed, aside from the numbers constantly changing, is some numbers seemed to slowly decrease as time went on.
Finally I used the DVE HD Disc to run the Grey Scale test and made it through all 10 screens, and that's pretty much where I stopped.
Now that I have a better idea, I'll read the guide again and likely make a short list of instructions specific to my setup. I'd be happy to post whatever numbers or graphs you want... just let me know.
I made my first (partial) test run and I'm embarrassed to say the Calibration for Dummies guide threw me a couple times
My setup: Panasonic P60ST30 and i1Display Pro (i1D3)
Preparation was fairly easy but I wasn't sure if I was supposed to calibrate my meter or not... I tried, but nothing happened when I clicked on the "Calibrate Meter" button so I moved on.
I clicked on the Green Arrow and the meter began taking readings, although I'm not exactly sure what I was supposed to do at that point. I spent several minutes trying to see if putting the meter in a different location made a difference but the only thing I noticed, aside from the numbers constantly changing, is some numbers seemed to slowly decrease as time went on.
Finally I used the DVE HD Disc to run the Grey Scale test and made it through all 10 screens, and that's pretty much where I stopped.
Now that I have a better idea, I'll read the guide again and likely make a short list of instructions specific to my setup. I'd be happy to post whatever numbers or graphs you want... just let me know.
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I forgot to mention in my previous post, I pressed the calibrate button, but nothing seemed to happen (i1Display2). The old process would ask for a calibration prior to running the first greyscale. And involve a couple of dialogue boxes with confirmations.
I forgot to mention in my previous post, I pressed the calibrate button, but nothing seemed to happen (i1Display2). The old process would ask for a calibration prior to running the first greyscale. And involve a couple of dialogue boxes with confirmations.
Hi John,
Thanks for all the great work! I've been using ColorHCFR for quite a while and am thrilled to be able to use it with the new i1d3.
A couple notes on using HCFR with the i1d3 in case it's of any use:
First, I have a Samsung plasma and can also confirm the erratic readings starting at 50 IRE downward. I noticed you mentioned before that the plasma issue might be fixed in the latest Argyll code so I grabbed the dev source from the Argyll site and compiled it. Using dispcal just as an xyY readout I can confirm that the instability at low IREs is dramatically reduced.
Second, I have always been unsure about which switch to use for a plasma, CRT or LCD, but thought the overall consensus was CRT. Is that still true with the i1 Display Pro? I know that some of the older colorimeters reportedly had issues with infrared emissions from plasmas and would over-report red in any mode, but it always seemed like CRT mode was the closest to accurate. I'm hoping the i1d3 doesn't have these issues, but in any case the ability to use edr/ccss files seems like it might mitigate the effect. On that note, I would love to see the Argyll i1d3 ccss capability integrated (which I know you had mentioned before - just thought I'd add a plus one). Hopefully someone with access to a nice spectrophotometer will post some ccss readings of a plasma to work with!
Keep up the good work!
Thanks for all the great work! I've been using ColorHCFR for quite a while and am thrilled to be able to use it with the new i1d3.
A couple notes on using HCFR with the i1d3 in case it's of any use:
First, I have a Samsung plasma and can also confirm the erratic readings starting at 50 IRE downward. I noticed you mentioned before that the plasma issue might be fixed in the latest Argyll code so I grabbed the dev source from the Argyll site and compiled it. Using dispcal just as an xyY readout I can confirm that the instability at low IREs is dramatically reduced.
Second, I have always been unsure about which switch to use for a plasma, CRT or LCD, but thought the overall consensus was CRT. Is that still true with the i1 Display Pro? I know that some of the older colorimeters reportedly had issues with infrared emissions from plasmas and would over-report red in any mode, but it always seemed like CRT mode was the closest to accurate. I'm hoping the i1d3 doesn't have these issues, but in any case the ability to use edr/ccss files seems like it might mitigate the effect. On that note, I would love to see the Argyll i1d3 ccss capability integrated (which I know you had mentioned before - just thought I'd add a plus one). Hopefully someone with access to a nice spectrophotometer will post some ccss readings of a plasma to work with!
Keep up the good work!
That's good to know, thanks, the next version should havethat same code.
Yes, my plan going forward is to ship argyll's edr to ccss conversion tools and support ccss files. This should mean that you get the same results as in the x-rite world. The extra step is annoying and it would be good to ship consensus meter adjustment files with the product but I also need to avoid any ip issues.
John
That's good to know, thanks, the next version should havethat same code.
Yes, my plan going forward is to ship argyll's edr to ccss conversion tools and support ccss files. This should mean that you get the same results as in the x-rite world. The extra step is annoying and it would be good to ship consensus meter adjustment files with the product but I also need to avoid any ip issues.
John
Most versions of the display 2 don't need to be calibrated in LCD mode, the x-rite i1 sdk code allows calibration for all meters but for lcd mode it doesn't actually do anything. If you have one of the older version it will detect that and ask you to place the meter on a flat surface to calibrate as the old hcfr did but that only applies to easier revision of the meter.
In crt mode it isn't really a calibration just a refresh rate lock.
John
Most versions of the display 2 don't need to be calibrated in LCD mode, the x-rite i1 sdk code allows calibration for all meters but for lcd mode it doesn't actually do anything. If you have one of the older version it will detect that and ask you to place the meter on a flat surface to calibrate as the old hcfr did but that only applies to easier revision of the meter.
In crt mode it isn't really a calibration just a refresh rate lock.
John
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Thanks... good to know.
Thanks... good to know.
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Not sure what you mean by jumped around like crazy. Could you explain what you're doing at that point? For example, when I measured Grey Scale I didn't see any values until I finished going through the 10 screens. The program requested each screen one at a time, and each time I was ready I clicked on the OK button and it would ask for the next screen. So the only time I saw measured values was after the measurements were done.
Not sure what you mean by jumped around like crazy. Could you explain what you're doing at that point? For example, when I measured Grey Scale I didn't see any values until I finished going through the 10 screens. The program requested each screen one at a time, and each time I was ready I clicked on the OK button and it would ask for the next screen. So the only time I saw measured values was after the measurements were done.
JohnAd,
This is debug testing for opening older files: I wanted to test Wl1's issue with opening older files. I have no issues opening my old .chc files generated with ColorHCFR 2.1 with my DTP-94 (X-Rite drivers obviously). But when I open Wl1's .chc file included in his post, AND at the time I have NO meter plugged in, I get an error from the Argyll code "No meter found - Create Argyll instrument failed with severe error". It appears that the Argyll code really wants a meter plugged in even when I just want to view the .chc results.
GREAT WORK!!!
Testing from Win7x64
Dan
This is debug testing for opening older files: I wanted to test Wl1's issue with opening older files. I have no issues opening my old .chc files generated with ColorHCFR 2.1 with my DTP-94 (X-Rite drivers obviously). But when I open Wl1's .chc file included in his post, AND at the time I have NO meter plugged in, I get an error from the Argyll code "No meter found - Create Argyll instrument failed with severe error". It appears that the Argyll code really wants a meter plugged in even when I just want to view the .chc results.
GREAT WORK!!!
Testing from Win7x64
Dan
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Awesome, thanks for looking into that.
On the Argyll site, they also recommend using CRT for plasma displays. They do not specify this specifically for the id3, but as a general rule. Honestly, however, my readings were identical wither I used CRT or LCD.
Awesome, thanks for looking into that.
On the Argyll site, they also recommend using CRT for plasma displays. They do not specify this specifically for the id3, but as a general rule. Honestly, however, my readings were identical wither I used CRT or LCD.
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