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Yes that is what I am currently using. I was looking for a way to use a set of user defined mp4 files though so that way you are calibrating against images which go through the same computation pipeline as your media player does. The image generator uses windows GDI, which may give different results than the images you get by playing an mp4 file.


You can currently do it all manually with the DVD generator of course, but an automated way would be a nice time saver.


You should measure RGBW patterns through the two different signal chains and compare, maybe they will match up. If they don't you could actually build a meter correction file to correct for the difference.
 

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Zoyd,


I'am finally going to pick up my colormunki today,by all your testing and data,which size window patterns (apl or standard) do you recommend for the GT30?


Also will your matrix work for me or just use the standard spectral ccfl?


Thanks for everything buddy.
 

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Version 3.0.4.1 has been uploaded to sourceforge.


Changes:


-Merged in a backport of the 1.5beta code for the D3 and optimized integration times for refresh display. It is important that you sync your probe using the calibrate function to a pattern >= 50% prior to taking measurements.

-Added 6 color checker targets (advanced->preferences->references->color space standard->CC6). Colors are, light skin, blue sky, foliage, blue flower, yellow green, orange yellow

-Fixed view images generator so that it displays proper RGB triplets when using Rec709(75%) and CC6

-Some labeling and graphing fixes for the new color spaces


let me know if I broke anything.

The limited time I have had with this, all seems fine. There is an issue thats been present for a while where the preferences are not being retained when opening a saved file.


With the D3, is the calibrate function to be done only once per session, or on a time basis like the i1Pro?

Is there a disk with the patterns for CC6 available for calibrating with a BR player? The GCD disk has these patterns.


thanks zoyd for all your time and effort.
 

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The limited time I have had with this, all seems fine. There is an issue thats been present for a while where the preferences are not being retained when opening a saved file.


With the D3, is the calibrate function to be done only once per session, or on a time basis like the i1Pro?

Is there a disk with the patterns for CC6 available for calibrating with a BR player? The GCD disk has these patterns.


thanks zoyd for all your time and effort.

D3 calibration only needs to be done once.


the GCD disk has the 6 patterns in both the 12 color checker chapter and the 24 color checker chapter. Use the ones from the 12 chapter and make sure the white reference you use is at 100% luminance. Unfortunately you have to go to another chapter to pick that one up at the end of the sequence.


@PeterLewis


10% window/22% APL from the GCD disk is what I use for everything. I don't know the best config for the colormunki, if it's the same hardware as a D3 then yes, use a plasma based correction matrix.
 

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Hello all,


I'm new to calibration and would like to apologize in advance if this is the wrong place to ask these questions.


I purchased an X-Rite i1 Display 3 Pro (Retail) and have been trying to calibrate it with HCFR 3.0.4.0 (Following the Calibration for Dummies guide). However, the results seem too much on the red side, skin tones seem to be a little bit on the orange side.

I have also tried the latest HCFR (3.0.4.1) that I found in this thread, and I am getting the same results. I am not sure whether or not to use the i1d3 or d3test meter correction files which are available to select in this new version, I did not use them for now.

I am using the White LED spectral sample which I imported from the X-Rite software, this matches to my LCD LED TV (Sony HX929),


1) Do I need to do calibration on the D3 if I am using an LCD TV?


2) I noticed a lot of the posts in this thread were about a correction matrix for plasmas and the i1d3 having issues with red measurement when using plasmas,

does this apply to LCDs as well?


3) If I do use the meter correction files that are available in 3.0.4.1 from the dropdown menu, do I select a spectral sample as well on the next screen?


I am a total newbie when it comes to this stuff, and I would appreciate any kind of support, thank you.
 

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1. no, for non-refresh displays you do not need to calibrate the d3 or colormunki display

2. no, not the same, plasma errors due to the red primary are not present on LCDs

3. don't use a correction matrix unless you know it was built for your type of display (the ones in the dropdown box are for plasmas), select spectral sample for LCD.




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a new build of 3.0.4.1 is available, this includes some fixes to the display of the target color when in targeting mode using the CC6 colors. I've also cleaned up the d3 .thc files and made two available in the dropdown box for meter correction.


d3_standardplasma

d3_standardLCD


A note on choosing a matrix correction (.thc) vs. a color correction sample set (.ccss): Choose one or the other of these, not both. the matrix correction will give better results than the ccss on plasmas, not sure about LCDs since I haven't tested that.
 

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How do you guys get your I1D3 or colormunki to sit flush on your plasma tv screen ?


i cant seem to get it flush on my screen no matter where I adjust the counter weight.
 

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Thanks for the reply Zoyd, greatly appreciated.


I calibrate using my HTPC with AVS HD 709 patterns, I usually set my color space standard to HDTV - REC 709 in HCFR.

I noticed that in the latest build, the standard color space is set to CC6 by default, should I just use that instead of HDTV - REC 709 along with GCD patterns?


Thanks again for the answers.
 

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Originally Posted by alyupb  /t/1393853/fork-of-hcfr-started-whats-needed/1410#post_22973705


I noticed that in the latest build, the standard color space is set to CC6 by default, should I just use that instead of HDTV - REC 709 along with GCD patterns?


Thanks again for the answers.

no, that's just because that was the last setting I used it in.
CC6 is a special mode to check a few critical colors, for normal calibration always use the rec 709 color space.
 

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Is the standard plasma matrix profiled from your Samsung plasma with an i1pro zoyd?


I'll try the standard LCD matrix and compare it to the spectral samples when I get some time.


Thanks again for the new build.
 

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How do you guys get your I1D3 or colormunki to sit flush on your plasma tv screen ?


i cant seem to get it flush on my screen no matter where I adjust the counter weight.

I use two different ways to get the meter to sit flush.


1. if you have a tripod, mount the d3 on it and lean the tripod toward the screen and adjust the tripod to get the meter flush


2. get some play-do and stick it on the meter to act as a balancing weight. On my set it goes on the top near the screen.


luckily the d3 does not need constant re-calibration like the i1pro so once its set you can forget about it.
 

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Is the standard plasma matrix profiled from your Samsung plasma with an i1pro zoyd?

yes and I took a look through the .ccmx files posted in the argyll database and most were consistent. The standard LCD is representative of CCFL IPS normal gamut LCDs from that database as well.
 

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zoyd, i tried your standardplasma mtx but added too much red by almost 10% so i just used none and it seems right compared to a chroma 5 that measured my set prior.


Also the calibrate button would not work when i tried to synch up my munki on a 50% patch.


@vega


I just did my best wiggiling the counter weight and cable to get it as close to flush as possible.
 

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zoyd, i tried your standardplasma mtx but added too much red by almost 10% so i just used none and it seems right compared to a chroma 5 that measured my set prior.
You mean it measured red high? The Chroma 5 is by no means a reference meter... the only way to know for sure would be to compare it to a spectro. On my i1D3, I can visually see too much red with no correction.


edit: nm, you have a colormunki. maybe it's different?
 

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Originally Posted by PeterLewis  /t/1393853/fork-of-hcfr-started-whats-needed/1410#post_22974041


zoyd, i tried your standardplasma mtx but added too much red by almost 10% so i just used none and it seems right compared to a chroma 5 that measured my set prior.


Also the calibrate button would not work when i tried to synch up my munki on a 50% patch.

The colormunki doesn't use the calibrate function because it's integration time is slow enough that syncing to the refresh rate is not required. Regarding the correction matrix, it was built using a D3 so there must be some difference, try using the plasma spectral sample instead and see if compares better with the chroma 5.
 

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Originally Posted by zoyd  /t/1393853/fork-of-hcfr-started-whats-needed/1410#post_22974120


The colormunki doesn't use the calibrate function because it's integration time is slow enough that syncing to the refresh rate is not required. Regarding the correction matrix, it was built using a D3 so there must be some difference, try using the plasma spectral sample instead and see if com

pares better with the chroma 5.

There is no plasma spectrcal,there all lcd ccfl in the spectracal drop box..


Edit...I notice this spectral from the id3 xrite folder is missing in the HCFR spectral drop down,which is probably the one I need.


CCFLFamily_07Feb11.edr


Zoyd anyway to get that edr file to show up in the drop down box as all the other edr files show up but they are mostly for LCD and projectors.


Thanks..
 

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There is no plasma spectrcal,there all lcd ccfl in the spectracal drop box..


Edit...I notice this spectral from the id3 xrite folder is missing in the HCFR spectral drop down,which is probably the one I need.


CCFLFamily_07Feb11.edr

That's for an LCD so not good for plasma. If there are no plasma options showing in the spectral sample dropdown try adding Samsung_D8000.ccss from the attached zipfile to the appropriate directory. On winxp the directory is "c:\Documents and Settings\YOURUSERNAME\Application Data\color", I'm not sure if that's the same on win7.



SAMSUNG_D8000.zip 3k .zip file
 

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I've noticed the free measures do not show up on the CIE chart unless one is selected, and then only that one. Since there have been no secondary color points on the CIE chart with windows 7 64 bit I have been editing the free measures for cyan, magenta and yellow to have them show.


Is it possible to get the secondaries back on the CIE chart?


Everything else seems to be working. I did notice I have to double check meter settings and some of the preferences when I open a saved file as they are not as I saved them.


ps this last revision really brought the speed up on the 30+ readings.


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I don't understand these issues and can't test win7 at the moment. All free measures show up on the CIE chart in realtime on winxp as well as the primary and secondary reference locations for whatever color space is chosen. There is no reason secondary points wouldn't show up if primaries do. Can you post a screen shot? Also, preferences are always restored properly here.


Rec709



CC6



Rec709(75%)+saturation sweeps
 
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