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HD-A1 and convergence problems with BG808

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Having just received a Toshiba HD-A1, I ran in a little problem with setup.


I am using John's DVI input box for my BG808.


I have the Bg808 set up for 1080i output from my Snazio 1350 play-it-all DVD player. Convergence was perfect set at [email protected]


Now I tried the same with the HD-A1, [email protected], but convergence was way off - and the image was shifted to the left.


Blue and Green was easi to converge, but red was WAY off.


After some hours of having to raster shift and mess with convergence, I came to a satisfying result, but the red was a real troublemaker. There is a small spot in the dead center that I can not get correct and in the upper left corner.



Anyone have an explaination for why this big difference between the 2 [email protected] outputs???


(and a solution)



Another thing I noticed before starting to shift the raster was a vertical deadzone that was either black or with heavy distortion on the left side, about 1" wide. This is not there with the Snazio!


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John's input uses Port 3 and I assume you were feeding you other stuff through port 5 before? That would explain a huge difference in covergence as the Barco would create a new memory block for port three though you should be able to manually copy your port 5 input memory block for 1080i to you port 3 memory block.


As for your challenges getting convergence right that issue that could be caused by many things. For example, I recently upgraded to a 1208s/2. At certain frequencies I could not get the red convergene right on the left side of the screen. After a bunch of troubleshooting and replacing board I realized that the red raster was signficantly bigger than blue or green. Once I adjusted down in size, convergence worked perfectly. Also if you were using Port 5 before you might have an issue with the port 3 card.


Basically you need to start eliminating sources of the problem one at a time, try converging on the internal patterns for something near 1080i and see if you have an issue with the internal patterns, that would eliminate the port 3 card and the source as a problem. Then try a different source and so forth....
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Hi!


I was using the port 3 before with a HQ cable from the 1080i output of my Snazio. It worked just fine.


So did it with Johns DVI for port 3 card. Problems only started to occur when the Toshiba was added to the chain.


If I switch back to the Snazio output, everything is fine...
Gotcha then it sounds like a problem with the source or some compatibity issues with HD-A1 and Jon's card. I believe problems have been reported with some HD-A1's and moome card which shares the same chips as Jon's. I honestly haven't followed it having no interest currently in the HD discs.
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I was using the port 3 before with a HQ cable from the 1080i output of my Snazio. It worked just fine.

So did it with Johns DVI for port 3 card. Problems only started to occur when the Toshiba was added to the chain.

If I switch back to the Snazio output, everything is fine...
Hello Kim,


It appears to me that the 1080i60 mode of the HD-A1 doesn't have the same porchs setting as the Snazio output. That is why the image is shifted to the left (means reduced horizontal front porch value).

This means also that you 808 should have detected a different pixelclock thus it should use a different video memory than the Snazio one... (you can check this on the PJ menu).


It's not really serious as long as your PJ is able to shift the image back in the screen and redo the convergences, then store the new convergences in the new memory.


BG-DVI module's EDID has nothing to do with this nor Silicon Image IC used inside the converter (this ship is synchronous to the digital synchronisation signals and porches). Only source (HD-A1) porchs settings are responsible of what you see.


John
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Hi John!


Are these "porches" the same as "timings"???
I have now managed to get it almost perfect. Only in the dead center I have some problems with the red that can not be fixed. Geometry is however perfect and was from the Snazio setup - only convergence cause a problem when switching between the Snazio and the Toshiba.


Now, more HD-DVDs pls! :)
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Are these "porches" the same as "timings"???
Yes, more or less, we can talk as "timings" in general manner. In fact those porches were reserved in the standards for Analog CRT display retrace time requirements...


Good to read that you found a solution.


John
Have you checked that your mechanical set up? Are your rasters centred and converged (mid screen) with convergence settings at midposition? It looks as though you're having to force your convergence settings too much.
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