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HD-A1 How good id upscaling compared to HTPC

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Hello,


I would like to know how the HD-A1 stack up with a good HTPC setup?


I already tried the Zoomplayer + ffdshow setup and the result is incredible!



Thanks.


Pitou!
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It's comparable to an NVidia equipped HTPC running TT or ZP in DXVA mode.


However, TT or ZP running with ffdshow using Lanczos2 scaling with luma sharpen still delivers a better image than the HD-A1.


Running 1080 to a Qualia 004 on a 5'x13' screen.


Vern
Thanks, what does DXVA means?
I would have to agree I had a Nvidia Decoder on my HTPC using TT and the picture seems to be just as good maybe better.
I've been using htpc for playing SD-DVD for nearly three years now, first 2 yrs with Powerdvd & then TT.


having G90 for 35 months, setup by William Phelps twice that cost me $2,900.00.


now my htpc uses only to play xvid &.ts files.


[email protected] $499.00 cost less than ATix1900xtx.
I look at HD-A1 as another cheap HTPC machine that is dedicated for playing HD-DVD movies.

For other features, HD-A1 is useless compared to good HTPC.
Thanks for your answers guys.


I'll stick with my HTPC and run cables accordingly instead!


Pitou!
Just my own 2c.


I have HP HTPC which outputs 1080i over component outputs.


The HD-A1 outputs 1080i over component outputs (for non-copy protected movies).


To my eye, the HD-A1's picture is much, much closer to true HD quality than is the HTPC for the same source.


Yep, it's just a DVD player ... but a darn good one in my opinion.
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I'll take the picture produced by my HD-DVD player over the one being produced by my HTPC running Theatertek. Less hassle, same if not better SD DVD quality. And HD dvds(pre-recorded and home-made) just mop the floor with anything I'm seeing with Theatertek 2.2


Marc.
My HD-A1 is step one of my dismantling of my HTPC (I'd agree with Vern's assessment that it is as good with DVDs as hardware-mode Nvidia+TT). Step 2 is the Series 3 Tivo. With Vista potentially delayed even more (according to Gartner), HTPCs are going to be out in the cold for a while on next-gen HD for too long for me.


Later,

Bill
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I'll take the picture produced by my HD-DVD player over the one being produced by my HTPC running Theatertek. Less hassle, same if not better SD DVD quality. And HD dvds(pre-recorded and home-made) just mop the floor with anything I'm seeing with Theatertek 2.2


Marc.
'hassle' ? How can you even compare the convenience of good HTPC software to HD-A1!!!

I guess you are using wrong HTPC software. I don't like to promote my software like this, but for sure you can find much better solutions than Theatertek or ZoomPlayer.

But I'm biased and cannot imagine life without a HTPC in my living room.
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But I'm biased and cannot imagine life without a HTPC in my living room.
Yes indeed, I don't think anybody considering getting rid of the HTPC for a Toshi HD-DVD does even have a clue what an HTPC is really good for (it's not a superior image quality to standard DVD players, it's more or less the same, but you can do 48Hz and PAL-Speedup-Reverse for starters!).


Is there an HD-DVD drive for PCs available in the near future?


Can't find any info on that.


Thanks.
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I'd agree with Vern's assessment that it is as good with DVDs as hardware-mode Nvidia+TT
To amplify on my comment: But, not nearly as good image quality as TT using SW decode, assisted by ffdshow Lanczos 2 scaling and DScaler 4's sharpen filter.


Not to mention the aspect ratio control, and the ability to set autostart bookmarks to skip the junk on the disk that preceeds what we actually bought the disc to watch, which still sets the HTPC apart from the typical DVD player.


I have the Tosh HD A1, but there is no way I would choose it for upconverting standard DVD over my HTPC. For those who are technology challenged, and can't or don't want to build the optimum HTPC environment, then the HD A1 is certainly an acceptable alternative and better than most any other upscaling player out there. Just to be absolutely clear, the HD A1 is the only choice for playing HD DVD's.


Vern
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i'm sure you can toss enough time and money into a HTPC to outperform this.....


but the HD-A1 blows away my HTPC w/ ATI X800-PRO video card. DVD using Nvidia is horrendous (deinterlacing artifacts) with this card and neither dscaler5 or other deinterlacers have helped completely fix minor combing issues (MPC or ZP). It got to the point i was using my 360 for DVD playback quite often (over my HTPC and soon-to-be-on-ebay Zenith 318)


I haven't yet A/B compared 1920x1080i MPEG2 caps to HD-DVD but i'm looking forward to it. (1080i contenet plays perfect on my setup unlike DVD).


I'm not really big proclaiming upscaling DVD is worth a LARGE expense (low res garbage in garbage out) but the HD-A1 is a notable and worthwhile improvement (unlike the DV-318 for example).


My HTPC has alot of uses, but DVD playback is not among them anymore. :)
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I was using my pc with TT and Ffdshow but now prefer the Tosh picture.


I am using nvidia 7800 gtx cards and have set TT and Ffdshow for best picture but it is a bit off compared to the hddvd player. I took some digital images of the same scene played from the Tosh and the pc and noticed the Tosh had more definition and dynamics and truer color. They were very close but the Tosh was better.


Pc output DVI 1920x1080 into Westy 37" 1080p lcd, same for Tosh.
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They were very close but the Tosh was better.


But the Tosh cannot do 48Hz, can it?


That is the reason why the Toshiba is inferior to an HTPC.
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Is there an HD-DVD drive for PCs available in the near future?
There's one available now, but it costs $499.00 and comes packaged inside the Toshiba HD-A1. ;)


The larger problem is that at the moment the other software and hardware components to play HD-DVD content on an HTPC are only available via OEM channels. They aren't yet readily available in retail channels....getting closer though.


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Bryce
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other software and hardware components to play HD-DVD content on an HTPC are only available via OEM channels.
Bryce, thanks for the info, let's keep an eye on it ;)


I'd actually love to be able to watch HD-DVDs as few as there may be, but not at the price of having to watch 3:2-artefacts again :(


thanks again.
Here are a couple of pictures I took last night while setting up my new display...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post7963992


I have loaded TT but not had time for ffdshow yet. I did notice a big difference between TT and plan old Media Player. I would say the out of the box TT "upconvert" is almost as good as the HD-A1. The blacks seem better on the A1 too. The only thing l like better on the HTPC than the A1 is the sound, the sound card I have is set to use a 7.1 DSP and it over exaggerates the speaker separation. I know it is fake but it is fun none the less. I'll still watch my DVDs on the A1 for now.

If I had to choose between HTPC or A1 strictly for DVDs I would save the $$$ and go with the Toshiba.
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