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i have digital cable and now HD TV through my cable company (Cox). i am using Media Center Edition 2005.


do i connect the HD STB to an HD capture card and the SD STB to my Hauppauge 500MCE? or will my Hauppauge be able to record the HD and SD signals?


is there a way to tell MCE to record SD through my SD STB and Hauppauge 500MCE, and record HD through an HD capture card using the HD STB?


lastly, how can i output digital audio from the STB to my HTPC? i have the Chaintech 710, but i am willing to purchase whichever card i need to get digital audio. i sure miss it. Thanks.
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HD capture bandwidth is H U G E, and not cheap, in the order of $3,000 and that doesn't even include the software.


The only way to get a digicable HDTV equipment into a computer is using the Firewire port, and that's only if it is an unencrypted signal.


A search of the forum would have provided that answer as well.
what are the fusion cards then? do they not capture unencrypted HD?
Unencrypted yes, uncompressed no. BIG difference.
that clears things up a bit. so the quality isn't there with the fusion cards because they compress the video they record. hmmmmm. are they worth having then? should i just stick with recording SD digital cable? thanks again.
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so the quality isn't there with the fusion cards because they compress the video they record.
Not quite, the ATSC tuners can decode and record the full 19.4 Mbps of a broadcast ATSC signal. so there is no compression involved, they record the native signal as broadcast, about 9GB per hour.


Now 19.4Mbps is nothing compared to the upper limit of an HDMI cable which can be upto 5 Gbps of information (this limit won't be reached anytime soon.)
ok, so purchasing an HD capture card would be worth it. do you have any recommendations? thanks for your help.
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ok, so purchasing an HD capture card would be worth it. do you have any recommendations? thanks for your help.
Yes, but most HD cards are only for OTA (over the air) not cable. Others might be able to chime in on what card(s) work witih cable. And again, even then it would only work with unencrypted channels which are typically only your local stations.
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that clears things up a bit. so the quality isn't there with the fusion cards because they compress the video they record. hmmmmm. are they worth having then? should i just stick with recording SD digital cable? thanks again.
HD cards capture the bitstream exactly as it is sent TO your STB/TV. That bitstream is a compressed MPEG-2 "file" that may or may not be encrypted (scrambled).


Unencrypted (not scrambled) streams (OTA, some digital cable usually just local channels) can be viewed fine and will have quality exactly the same as your STB, since it's the same transmission.


There is no way to decrypt (unscramble) encrypted streams on a PC.


Your cable box outputs a "stream" that is both unencrypted (unscrambled) and decoded (uncompressed). There is no cost effective way to deal with the massive datarate of uncompressed HD.
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i found this card, but i can't find any info on it. i did a search in the avsforums, and didn't turn up anything. are all the cards (Fusion, etc.) basically the same?

http://www.hdtvauthority.com/hipix_1.htm


"Your cable box outputs a "stream" that is both unencrypted (unscrambled) and decoded (uncompressed). There is no cost effective way to deal with the massive datarate of uncompressed HD."


so does this mean that an HD Capture card will display the HD video from the STB, but it can't record it? or, are you saying that the only way to record HD TV is from a feed from a cable STB?


thanks.
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i found this card, ... http://www.hdtvauthority.com/hipix_1.htm
The hipix card is old, and I'm surprised it would be available still...I think that is just an old webpage.
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but i can't find any info on it. i did a search in the avsforums, and didn't turn up anything.
you'd have to search the archieves now .... although there would be info on it in the "buyers guide thread" that has been on the first page of the forum the last couple of days. Note that the buyers guide is now quite dated. Anyways, the Hipix is/was a hardware decoding card.
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are all the cards (Fusion, etc.) basically the same?
There are two classes of cards: hardware decoding and software decoding. Within their respective classes, the cards tend to be very similar hardware wise. Even between the two classes, there aren't striking differneces between the on board componentry. Software support on the other hand can vary greatly between cards, even in the case where they are essentially the same physical product.

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so does this mean that an HD Capture card will display the HD video from the STB, but it can't record it?
No. A hdtv card is expecting to receive a signal that is both modulated RF and compressed. What comes out of your stb is a demodulated and uncompressed (decoded) signal. You can't fit square blocks into round holes in this case...even if you pull out the mallet :)


You can however, send the down res'ed analog signal from the set top box out via s-video to a capture card.


You can also, in some cases, use firewire out from the stb to send the undecoded transport stream to a firewire card in your computer. This will preserve the hdtv signal/content. However, copy protection issues still apply. See one of the firewire capturing threads for detail.
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thanks a lot. that was a lot of good information. is there a website or other resource that i can read up on HDTV and HTPC compatibility/interoperability?
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