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I think it is not news to anyone that HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc have different approaches to interactivity.


Please use this thread to discuss your views of the advantages and disadvantages, etc. of the formats.
 

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Something of interest is that Amir has spoken about 150+ titles with HDi enhanced interactivity.


Talk noted that not many of these HDi titles actually have much in the way of advanced interactive features.


Perhaps we can put this theory to the test. I will make a list of currently available HD DVD titles and bold the ones that have IME.


Please make suggestions as to any title you know of with IME or other advanced interactivity beyond what you would expect from a HDMV authored BD. Please specify what the feature is so that it can be judged as advanced or not. I will try to keep this posting current with respect to replies as I find the time.


The Last Samurai (2004), Warner Bros. (Release date April 18, 2006)

Million Dollar Baby (2004), Warner Bros. (Release date April 18, 2006)

The Phantom of the Opera (2004), Warner Bros. (Release date April 18, 2006)

Serenity (2005), Universal Studios (Release date April 18, 2006)

Apollo 13 (1995), Universal Studios (Release date April 25, 2006)

Doom: Unrated Extended Edition (2005), Universal Studios (Release date April 25, 2006)

GoodFellas (1990), Warner Bros. (Release date May 2, 2006)

Swordfish (2001), Warner Bros. (Release date May 2, 2006)

Assault on Precinct 13 (2005), Universal Studios (Release date May 9, 2006)

Cinderella Man (2005), Universal Studios (Release date May 9, 2006)

Jarhead (2005), Universal Studios (Release date May 9, 2006)

Rumor Has It (2005), Warner Bros. (Release date May 9, 2006) (Hybrid HD DVD and DVD version on dual sided disc)

Training Day (2001), Warner Bros. (Release date May 9, 2006)
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003), Warner Bros. (Release date May 9, 2006)

Full Metal Jacket (1987), Warner Bros. (Release date May 16, 2006)

Unforgiven (1992), Warner Bros. (Release date May 16, 2006)

Blazing Saddles (1974), Warner Bros. (Release date May 23, 2006)
The Bourne Supremacy (2004), Universal Studios (Release date May 23, 2006)

The Chronicles of Riddick: Unrated Director's Cut (2004), Universal Studios (Release date May 23, 2006)

The Fugitive (1993), Warner Bros. (Release date May 23, 2006)

U-571 (2000), Universal Studios (Release date May 23, 2006)

Van Helsing (2004), Universal Studios (Release date May 23, 2006)
Constantine (2005), Warner Bros. (Release date June 6, 2006)

Firewall (2006), Warner Bros. (Release date June 6, 2006) (Hybrid HD DVD and DVD version on dual sided disc)

The Perfect Storm (2000), Warner Bros. (Release date June 6, 2006)

A View From Space with Heavenly Music (2006), Concert Hot Spot (Release date June 6, 2006)

16 Blocks (2006), Warner Bros. (Release date June 13, 2006) (Hybrid HD DVD and DVD version on dual sided disc)

Happy Gilmore (1996), Universal Studios (Release date June 13, 2006)

The Rundown (2003), Universal Studios (Release date June 13, 2006)

Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang (2005), Warner Bros. (Release date June 20, 2006)
Syriana (2005), Warner Bros. (Release date June 20, 2006)

Lethal Weapon (1987), Warner Bros. (Release date June 27, 2006)

Guitarscape Planet (2005), Concert Hot Spot (Release date June 27, 2006)
The Dukes of Hazzard (2005), Warner Bros. (Release date July 11, 2006)

Enter The Dragon (1973), Warner Bros. (Release date July 11, 2006)

Friday Night Lights (2004), Universal Studios (Release date July 11, 2006)

Pitch Black: Unrated Director's Cut (2000), Universal Studios (Release date July 11, 2006)

ATL (2004), Warner Bros. (Release date July 18, 2006)

Sahara (2005), Paramount Pictures (Release date July 25, 2006)

Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (2001), Paramount Pictures (Release date July 25, 2006)

Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004), Paramount Pictures (Release date July 25, 2006)

Sleepy Hollow (1999), Paramount Pictures (Release date July 25, 2006)

Four Brothers (2005), Paramount Pictures (Release date August 1, 2006)

We Were Soldiers (2002), Paramount Pictures (Release date August 1, 2006)

The Manchurian Candidate (2004), Paramount Pictures (Release date August 1, 2006)

U2 - Rattle & Hum (1988) (Release date August 8, 2006)

Æon Flux (2005), Paramount Pictures (Release date August 8, 2006)

The Italian Job (2003), Paramount Pictures (Release date August 8, 2006)

National Lampoon's Animal House (1978), Universal Studios (Release date August 15, 2006)

Ray (2004), Universal Studios (Release date August 15, 2006)

Unleashed (2005), Universal Studios (Release date August 15, 2006)

The Bone Collector (2001), Universal Studios (Release date August 22, 2006)

Caddyshack (1980), Warner Bros. (Release date August 22, 2006)

Good Night, and Good Luck. (2006), Warner Bros. (Release date August 22, 2006)

The Interpreter (2005), Universal Studios (Release date August 22, 2006)

The Searchers (1956), Warner Bros. (Release date August 22, 2006)

Spy Game (2001), Universal Studios (Release date August 22, 2006)

That's the Way of the World (1975), BCI Home Entertainment (Release date August 29, 2006)

Red Dragon (2002), Universal Studios (Release date September 12, 2006)

Seabiscuit (2003), Universal Studios (Release date September 12, 2006)

Traffic (2000), Universal Studios (Release date September 12, 2006)

Backdraft (1991), Universal Studios (Release date September 12, 2006)

Space Cowboys (2000), Warner Bros. (Release date September 12, 2006)

House of Wax (2005), Warner Bros. (Release date September 12, 2006)

Dazed and Confused (1993), Universal Studios (Release date September 19, 2006)

End of Days (1999) (Release date September 19, 2006)

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (1998) (Release date September 19, 2006)

Galaxina (1980), BCI Home Entertainment (Release date September 19, 2006)

Golgo 13 (1977), BCI Home Entertainment (Release date September 19, 2006)

Land of the Dead (Unrated) (2005), Universal Studios (Release date September 19, 2006)

The Fast and the Furious (2001), Universal Studios (Release date September 26, 2006)

2 Fast 2 Furious (2003), Universal Studios (Release date September 26, 2006)
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006), Universal Studios (Release date September 26, 2006)

Army of Darkness (1993), Universal Studios (Release date October 10, 2006)
Batman Begins (2005), Warner Bros. (Release date October 10, 2006)

Tim Burton's Corpse Bride (2005), Warner Bros. (Release date October 10, 2006)
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005), Warner Bros. (Release date October 10, 2006)

Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory (1971), Warner Bros. (Release date October 10, 2006)

Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1982), Universal Studios (Release date October 10, 2006)

The Polar Express (2004), Warner Bros. (Release date October 10, 2006)

Waist Deep (2006), Universal Studios (Release date October 10, 2006)

12 Monkeys (1995), Universal Studios (Release date October 24, 2006)

The Interpreter (2005), Universal Studios (Release date October 24, 2006)

Out of Sight (1998), Universal Studios (Release date October 24, 2006)

Slither (2006), Universal Studios (Release date October 24, 2006)

Spartacus (1960), Universal Studios (Release date October 24, 2006)

John Carpenter's The Thing (1982), Universal Studios (Release date October 24, 2006)

Mission: Impossible (1996), Paramount Pictures (Release date October 30, 2006)

Mission: Impossible II (2000), Paramount Pictures (Release date October 30, 2006)
Mission: Impossible III (2006), Paramount Pictures (Release date October 30, 2006)

Under Siege (1992), Warner Bros. (Release date October 31, 2006)
V For Vendetta (2006), Warner Bros. (Release date October 31, 2006)

Nacho Libre (2006), Paramount Pictures (Release date November 7, 2006)

Reds (1981), Paramount Pictures (Release date November 7, 2006)

Accepted (2006), Universal Studios (Release date November 14, 2006)

Casablanca (1942), Warner Bros. (Release date November 14, 2006)

Forbidden Planet (1956), Warner Bros. (Release date November 14, 2006)
Peter Jackson's King Kong (2005), Universal Studios (Release date November 14, 2006)

Mutiny on the Bounty (1962), Warner Bros. (Release date November 14, 2006)

Waterworld (1995), Universal Studios (Release date November 14, 2006)

You, Me and Dupree (2006), Universal Studios (Release date November 21, 2006)

How the Grinch Stole Christmas (2000), Universal Studios (Release Date November 21, 2006)

Superman Returns (2006), Warner Bros. (Release Date November 28, 2006)

Superman II - The Richard Donner Cut (1980), Warner Bros. (Release Date November 28, 2006)

Dune (1984), Universal Studios (Release Date November 28, 2006)
Smallville Season 5 (2005-2006), Warner Bros. (Release Date November 28, 2006)

Meet the Parents (2000), Universal Studios (Release Date November 28, 2006)

An American Werewolf in London (1981), Universal Studios (Release Date November 28, 2006)
The Mummy (1999), Universal Studios (Release Date November 28, 2006)

The Ant Bully (2006), Warner Bros. (Release Date November 28, 2006)

The Architect (2006), Magnolia Pictures (Release date December 5, 2006)

National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation (1989), Warner Bros. (Release date December 5, 2006)

A Christmas Story (1983), Warner Bros. (Release date December 5, 2006)
Miami Vice (2006), Universal Studios (Release date December 5, 2006)

Chronos (1985), R&B Films (Release date December 5, 2006)

World Trade Center (2006), Paramount Pictures (Release Date December 12, 2006)

Field of Dreams (1989), Universal Studios (Release Date December 12, 2006)
The Hulk (2003), Universal Studios (Release Date December 12, 2006)

Derailed (2005), Weinstein Company (Release Date December 19, 2006)

Matador (2005), Weinstein Company (Release Date December 19, 2006)

Scary Movie 4 (2006), Weinstein Company (Release Date December 19, 2006)

The Sopranos - Season 6, Part 1 (2006), HBO Home Video (Release Date December 19, 2006)

Wolf Creek (2006), Weinstein Company (Release Date December 19, 2006)

Jet Li's Fearless (2006), Universal Studios (Release Date December 19, 2006)

Casino (1995), Universal Studios (Release Date December 19, 2006)

The Scorpion King (2002), Universal Studios (Release Date December 19, 2006)

Lady in the Water (2006), Warner Bros. (Release Date December 19, 2006)

Breakfast Club (1985), Universal Studios (Release Date December 26, 2006)

Deer Hunter (1978), Universal Studios (Release Date December 26, 2006)

Clerks II (2006), (Release Date January 16, 2007)

The Mummy Returns (2001), Universal Studios (Release Date January 16, 2007)

Lucky Number Slevin (2006), Weinstein Company (Release Date January 16, 2007)
Poseidon (2006), Warner Bros. (Release Date January 16, 2007)

Pulse (2006), Weinstein Company (Release Date January 16, 2007)

The Sting (1973), Universal Studios (Release Date January 16, 2007)

Scooby-Doo (2002), Warner Bros. (Release Date January 16, 2007)
Troy
The Break-Up
Accepted


List comes from wiki - not sure why they left out Troy, Accepted and Break-Up... Oh well...


Currently 19 / 140 titles have advanced content - that is 14%.


I am sure I have missed some so please post corrections...


Edit: Added Hulk, Accepted and Break-Up for U-Control and/or IME
 

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I believe the Software Tier thread lists which titles have IME/U-Control...


HD-DVD: 5 U-control, 8 IME


King Kong (U-C)

Hulk (U-C)

The Fast & The Furious: Tokyo Drift (U-C)(CMB)

The Break-Up (U-C)(CMB)

Miami Vice (U-C) (CMB)


Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (THD)(IME)

Batman Begins (THD)(IME)

V for Vendetta (THD)(IME)

Smallville: The Complete Fifth Season (IME)

Troy (THD)(IME)

Constantine (THD)(IME)

The Dukes of Hazzard (IME)

The Bourne Supremacy (IME)




Blu-ray (2 PiP, 2 Blu-Wizard)


Crank (PCM)(PiP)

Black Hawk Down (BW)(PCM)

The Descent (PCM)(PiP)

Resident Evil: Apocalypse (PCM)(BW)
 

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I do want to say ucontrol is vastly superior to ime (atleast the versions that ive seen on movies) because ucontrol makes you hit the ok/select button to actually play the extra content vs ime which plays everything by default.


I actually turn ucontrol on for all universal movies that have it for my first viewing because since you have to manually select each one you can watch the extra and then just rewind it a few seconds and dont tell it to play the content. So its actually useful for the first time you watch a movie and as such is better than extras currently or ime. If ime would add a similar option where you had to tell it you wanted to play the extra it would be alot more useful to me.
 

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What features do members want to see most that is not yet available?
 

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I'd love the ability to connect to the internet to download and play current trailers coming soon to the theaters before watching the movie.
 

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Given that PiP is a forthcoming feature for BluRay hardware (required as of 6/7/07 decks), it may be useful to note that titles such as The Descent and Crank, while providing interactivity, are not doiing so via proper PiP.


They are providing an alternate video stream. This is actually a demonstration of seamless branching, which by all accounts seems to work rather well.


So, if we want to include "Seamless Branching" as an advanced Interactive function, then these titles certainly qualify. However because of the confusion regarding when players (and titles) really are PiP capable, it may be best to mark them as such, rather than PiP.
 

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Originally Posted by scaesare /forum/post/0


Given that PiP is a forthcoming feature for BluRay hardware (required as of 6/7/07 decks), it may be useful to note that titles such as The Descent and Crank, while providing interactivity, are not doiing so via proper PiP.


They are providing an alternate video stream. This is actually a demonstration of seamless branching, which by all accounts seems to work rather well.


So, if we want to include "Seamless Branching" as an advanced Interactive function, then these titles certainly qualify. However because of the confusion regarding when players (and titles) really are PiP capable, it may be best to mark them as such, rather than PiP.

I certainly dont see a second encoding, specially done in MPEG-2 as an advantage, if anything I would think of it as a disadvantage and limiting the space on a bd50 disc and a length of a movie that will fit on it.
 

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Given that PiP is a forthcoming feature for BluRay hardware (required as of 6/7/07 decks), it may be useful to note that titles such as The Descent and Crank, while providing interactivity, are not doiing so via proper PiP.


They are providing an alternate video stream. This is actually a demonstration of seamless branching, which by all accounts seems to work rather well.


So, if we want to include "Seamless Branching" as an advanced Interactive function, then these titles certainly qualify. However because of the confusion regarding when players (and titles) really are PiP capable, it may be best to mark them as such, rather than PiP.

"Seamless Branching" would imply that you can get into PiP commentary and out seamlessly. My experience is that these are simply 2 separate encode. If you choose PiP commentary while playing the main movie, it restarts everything from the beginning. If you are playing the PiP commentary, there isn't even an option to switch to the main movie. You have to stop everything and restart the main movie from the beginning. This isn't advanced authoring. Even I could have made plain old DVDs at home using consumer DVD authoring software that did the same thing.
 

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"Seamless Branching" would imply that you can get into PiP commentary and out seamlessly. My experience is that these are simply 2 separate encode. If you choose PiP commentary while playing the main movie, it restarts everything from the beginning. If you are playing the PiP commentary, there isn't even an option to switch to the main movie. You have to stop everything and restart the main movie from the beginning. This isn't advanced authoring. Even I could have made plain old DVDs at home using consumer DVD authoring software that did the same thing.

Well, perhaps I should retract my "seems to work well" comment then.


It seems like we are in agreement that these should not be listed as proper "PiP" titles?


I had suggested the "Seamless Branching" moniker, as that apparently is the BR feature that these titles make use of to offer the alternative feature. Whether or not that feature really is all that "seamless" is perhaps discussion for another thread, so that we don't pollute this one?
 

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In my view, having two versions of a movie on the disc for PiP is no big deal if it can be done at no cost to picture quality. Of course, this cannot be done for all titles... but for shorter ones, if you have the capacity on the disc then why not.


Seamless branching is a little more interesting. I gather AVP on Bluray uses seemless branching to deliver theatrical and directors cut versions. Also the NiN disc can seemlessly change angles on the Blu-ray disc and DVD versions, but not the HD DVD.
 

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In my view, having two versions of a movie on the disc for PiP is no big deal if it can be done at no cost to picture quality. Of course, this cannot be done for all titles... but for shorter ones, if you have the capacity on the disc then why not.


Seamless branching is a little more interesting. I gather AVP on Bluray uses seemless branching to deliver theatrical and directors cut versions. Also the NiN disc can seemlessly change angles on the Blu-ray disc and DVD versions, but not the HD DVD.

I'm not arguing against it for the sake if it being there.


I'm suggesting that we clarify what it really is.


Or do you have some plan to make a distinction when real PiP titles come out? Otherwise some in your category will work on current players, and some won't.
 

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It will be really interesting to see what players can and can't handle 'real' PiP when that is released for Blu-ray. One might assume that the PS3 can be updated to handle it.


Maybe also players based on the Sigma chip... time will tell I guess.
 
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