[wpl1977]

BusinessWeek ran this article today saying that three major Hollywood studios are planning on an announcement to back Toshiba's high definition DVD format.
http://businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnfl...5297_db002.htm

 

[Foxbat121]

As long as the market is split between HD-DVD and Blu Ray, you will see very little interest from studios to put their movies on either format even though they may sign up to back one format. Look at the market share of DVD-Audio and SACD today and you can predict what kind of market these future DVD formats will have. And before DIVX died, very little films showed up in DVD at all.

 

[Tinker]

So u have Toshiba, NEC and some smaller manufacturers with studio Warner, Universal, and maybe Paramount and Disney on the HD-DVD side.

Vs:

Sony, Philips, Mats, JVC, DELL, HP, Hitatchi, Samsung, Pioneer and other's on the Blu-ray side with studio Tristar-Columbia and MGM and dont forget Sony's Playstation3.


Well I think my moneys still on blu-ray if I was a betting man....


Only good thing about having 2 formats is that with the competition, it shld help bring prices down quicker then if there is a monopoly.

 

[wally0206]

Blu-ray will win and i am glad, there are so many advantages to blu-ray, the only thing that the other has is it is backwards compatible. but with dvd players so cheap , and most homes having at least one. it would not be a benefit to limit the disc quality for just that. at least for me.

 

[chirpie]

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Originally posted by wally0206 Blu-ray will win and i am glad, there are so many advantages to blu-ray, the only thing that the other has is it is backwards compatible.

I thought the backwards compatible feature is a manufacturer decision and not a format decision? Blueray players could easily be backwards compatible as well...

 

[Joxer]

I believe the advantage HD-DVD has is its cheaper to manufacture and can use existing DVD production factories. So in theory HD-DVD could be produced in larger volume and at lower cost compared to Blu-Ray.

 

[kjack]

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Originally posted by Tinker So u have Toshiba, NEC and some smaller manufacturers with studio Warner, Universal, and maybe Paramount and Disney on the HD-DVD side. Vs: Sony, Philips, Mats, JVC, DELL, HP, Hitatchi, Samsung, Pioneer and other's on the Blu-ray side with studio Tristar-Columbia and MGM and dont forget Sony's Playstation3.

Many of the "Blu-ray companies" are also looking at HD-DVD, covering both side of the fence just in case.

 

[Jasmo]

I posted this in another thread about HD-DVD -vs- Blu-Ray here on the AVS forum way back in February. Seeing as how it has come up again, I thought I'd paste the response I gave to another members post (in italics) concerning manufacturing differences:


Lastly, HD-DVD being cheaper is smoke and mirrors. Where HD-DVD had an advantage was non-caddy based discs. Blu-Ray dropped that, so that advantage is gone. HD-DVD is just like Blu-Ray: The pits are closer together, and thus that requires re-tooling to the moulds used to create the discs. If they were using the old red laser standard, then it could be said that the old tooling can be used. But that's not the case now.


Well, that's not exactly true. The pits being closer together may indeed be a wash between the two formats but the mold surface is just a small part of the cost of manufacturing. Where some of the real cost savings come from for HD-DVD (AOD) over Blue Ray are due to the following disc specifications:


Current DVD:


Lens Aperture: 0.60-0.65

Protective Layer Thickness: 0.6mm

Free Working Distance: 1.0mm


HD-DVD (AOD):


Lens Aperture: 0.60

Protective Layer Thickness: 0.6mm

Free Working Distance: 1.0mm


Blue Ray:


Lens Aperture: 0.85

Protective Layer Thickness: 0.1mm

Free Working Distance: 0.05-0.10mm


As you can see, the HD-DVD disc is very, very similiar physically with current DVD ones. This will allow for a lot of manufacturing commonality between the two and save on retooling costs. The Blue Ray discs, even without their caddies, are a totally different animal and will indeed require all new tooling.

 

[Q of BanditZ]

Ultimately, and I say this with fear and dread, it's going to be between Sony and Microsoft in the end, just like in the game console world.


The other companies are going to take sides either voluntarily or...not voluntarily. That's my $0.02, even though I don't like the prospect of Sony and MS ruling the world, I don't really see much away around it unless someone REALLY comes out with some serious shocking and amazing technology out of nowhere.


I think this is just yet another reason to back up my theory of how this Blu-Ray and HD-DVD thing is going to go a lot like SACD and DVD-A currently are. So, you're going to have companies again, coming out with "new universal players" that play both Blu-Ray AND HD-DVD. I think they're going to have to, because I could be surprised, but I don't see one format clearly slamming the door on the other. Just like high-rez audio right now. Feels very familliar.

 

[Foxbat121]

Totally agree with you, Q. However, I started to see the sign of DVD-Audio winning. Here is what happens: Earlier this year, Quite a few labels, Sony included, proposed a new format called DualDisc ( http://DualDisc.com ), one side CD and the other side is DVD-Audio. WB already released couple albums two days ago on DualDisc. This is going to replace current way of separate release of DVD-Audio and SACD.

 

[Q of BanditZ]

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Originally posted by Foxbat121 Totally agree with you, Q. However, I started to see the sign of DVD-Audio winning. Here is what happens: Earlier this year, Quite a few labels, Sony included, proposed a new format called DualDisc ( http://DualDisc.com ), one side CD and the other side is DVD-Audio. WB already released couple albums two days ago on DualDisc.

Whoah! This is news to me! Thanks for the heads up. I was thinking SACD was doing better, as it seems to have a lot more releases going for it.


Where do you buy these things?

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This is going to replace current way of separate release of DVD-Audio and SACD.

How do you know this? Not asking that in a smart aleck way at all.

 

[kjack]

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Originally posted by Q of BanditZ Ultimately, and I say this with fear and dread, it's going to be between Sony and Microsoft in the end, just like in the game console world.

Microsoft?

 

[Foxbat121]

Q,


Just google the word DualDisc and you will find tons of info. You can already buy them at local BB although I'm not sure which titles are available. And they may just show up in the same shelf as CDs because I already see BB categorize them as CD.

 

[royceb]

Unfortunately, the Sony Dual Discs do not contain any DVD-Audio tracks or digital 5.1 sound. I bought the Audioslave Dual Disc during their small product launch back in March/April. The album tracks on the DVD side were just remixed to HDCD stereo. There were a few live video bonus tracks that were also only available in stereo.

 

[Foxbat121]

That's understandable position from Sony for now. However, if DualDisc is widely accepted, DVD-Audio will be a de facto standard in hi-res audio. SACD will be in a much smaller niche market. Sony eventually will be forced to put DVD-Audio in its DualDisc release because SACD is not supported in DualDisc.

 

[Q of BanditZ]

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Originally posted by kjack Microsoft?

Microsoft what? Am I mind reader? What's that supposed to mean?


I'll just fire a guess from hell since I can't read into one word and a question mark.


You think they're going to win the console war? Well, first thing they need to do is actually upgrade their status from DOA in the entire Eastern world. Xbox has been an abysmal failure in the East, and the advertising and marketing for it out there has been atrocious. Xbox LIVE barely sells out in the East either. If you don't Japan behind you, you're dead in the console world for sure.


Sony is well entrenched and easily won this generation hands down before there was ever a contest to begin with. It was a fight between MS and Nintendo over second place, nothing more.


Nintendo is well entrenched in their own ways. They're the old, wisened veteran of the gaming world and now Sony has good experience and huge stranglehold as well. I don't want MS to win it out. They already own the PC world hands down, I don't want them to own the console world as well.


I want it to always be close. I'll give up on console gaming if any one companies completely wins out. Of course...if Nintendo won out, I could live with that.

 

[Axatax]

EDIT: Somehow this was posted to the wrong thread...

 

[kjack]

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Originally posted by Q of BanditZ Microsoft what? Am I mind reader? What's that supposed to mean?

You were talking about next generation DVD and mentioned Sony vs. Microsoft. Seeing as how Microsoft (and many others) is supporting both formats via their video codec and other technical knowledge, it left me more than little confused.


I would believe Sony vs. Toshiba again, which is what the first generation DVD war was about.


Some feel Sony made a big mistake -- they signed up a bunch of hardware manufacturers (no big deal), then announced their studios would support Blu-ray without getting buy-in from the other studios first. One could argue that may upset some of the other studios enough to put their weight behind HD-DVD.

 

[Q of BanditZ]

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Originally posted by kjack You were talking about next generation DVD and mentioned Sony vs. Microsoft. Seeing as how Microsoft (and many others) is supporting both formats via their video codec and other technical knowledge, it left me more than little confused.

Sorry. Brain fart.

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I would believe Sony vs. Toshiba again, which is what the first generation DVD war was about.

Yeah, but isn't this really boiling down to MS with WM9 and HD-DVD vs. Sony's Blu-Ray? Or is HD-DVD actually Toshiba's baby outright? I was under the impression that Microsoft had HD-DVD kind of under its control now. I could be mistaken.

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Some feel Sony made a big mistake -- they signed up a bunch of hardware manufacturers (no big deal), then announced their studios would support Blu-ray without getting buy-in from the other studios first. One could argue that may upset some of the other studios enough to put their weight behind HD-DVD.

Very conceivable. Still too early to tell, yet.

 

[REWJR]

Blueray conceeded and will support DTS 24/96 and WMV-HD codec from MS as they saw the writing on the wall but IMHO too little too late .

My money is on HD-DVD as it is a good biz decision all around especially with backwards compatability , cheaper production costs and ready to go now .


Sony will just go it's own way as they always do with a rich history of failed proprietary products bathing in red ink.