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HD-DVD (W6RZ.NET) Test Patterns Correct?

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After burning the HD-DVD IRE-Window test patterns and testing them, I'm wondering if they are accurate for HD-DVD calibration.


My system consists of a Brillian 6580iFB LCoS HDTV, Lumagen Vision ProHDP video processor, and XBOX-360 w/ HD-DVD option (plus PS3, Denon 3910, etc., etc.). Since the Lumagen gives much greater control over the calibration, and can output 1080p to the HDTV, I have the XBOX-360 HD-DVD output going into the Lumagen, which deinterlaces, and outputs the 1080p. A very nice feature of the Lumagen is the ability to read the IRE value of the frame buffer at the center of the screen. This information is invaluable for HDTV calibration.


On the calibration front, I own all of the necessary ISF calibration gear -- signal generator, colorimeter, and analysis software. It's not bottom-of-the-line junk, as this stuff cost more than my TV, Lumagen, Denon, PS3, and XBOX-360 combined. The XBOX-360 component input to the Lumagen is already calibrated with a perfectly flat grayscale and 2.4 gamma; but I want to calibrate to actual source material -- such as an HD-DVD calibration disc. This paragraph is really just background, and doesn't have any bearing on my actual question -- so keep that in mind.


Now, enter this thread, and the 1080 test patterns at w6rz.net. Since Clarence was kind enough to teach us how to create an HD-DVD disc suitable for XBOX-360, I used this exact method to create such a calibration disc using the w6rz.net IRE-Window test patterns. After following the disc creation procedures verbatim, I had a perfectly playable HD-DVD on the XBOX-360 HD-DVD player.


My first (and only) test was to compare these IRE-Window patterns with the values reported by Lumagen Video Processor. For reference purposes, the GetGray DVD measures absolutely perfect through the Lumagen in all windows from 0-100 IRE. I would expect these test patterns to yield similarly perfect results; but they didn't -- not even close.


Displaying the test patterns and using the Lumagen CTMP command to read the IRE Values at the center of the IRE Window showed values that were *FAR* off of the expected values. These are the values I read:


W6RZ / Measured

100 / 91

90 / 81.5

80 / 72.5

70 / 64.5

60 / 54

50 / 45

40 / 36.5

30 / 27

20 / 17.5

10 / 8

0 / 0


This is a near linear function of difference. So my question concerns how these IRE Window files were created, and whether or not they are accurate. Were they created with PC Levels, not Video Levels? I'm told by Lumagen, that difference could certainly explain the reading errors.


Any ideas?
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The patterns are accurate. They are authored directly in YCbCr, so there is no PC/Video levels ambiguity.


You have some systematic error. If you can post your .EVO file somewhere, I can verify that. If you don't have a place to upload, send me a PM and I'll give you the instructions for my FTP site.


Ron

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The patterns are accurate. They are authored directly in YCbCr, so there is no PC/Video levels ambiguity.


You have some systematic error. If you can post your .EVO file somewhere, I can verify that. If you don't have a place to upload, send me a PM and I'll give you the instructions for my FTP site.


Ron

I've created some MP4 files and uploaded to the PS3. They are accurate on the PS3. So this probably means the XBOX-360 is the cluprit. One curiosity however: 20 oscilates between 19/20 when measured -- as does one other. I think 90 stays solid at 89. Is this a poor encoding problem, or something else?


Any pointers for a better .TS -> MP4 encoder? I don't really like the idea of going .TS->MPG->MP4.
There is the 8-bit issue. You can't perfectly arrive at exact IRE levels with only 8-bits. Luma values used for IRE patterns are listed below with the exact value calculated with ((219*(IRE/100)) + 16) in parentheses. Largest errors are around 50 IRE.


0 IRE = 16 (16.0)

10 IRE = 38 (37.9)

20 IRE = 60 (59.8)

30 IRE = 82 (81.7)

40 IRE = 104 (103.6)

50 IRE = 126 (125.5)

60 IRE = 147 (147.4)

70 IRE = 169 (169.3)

80 IRE = 191 (191.2)

90 IRE = 213 (213.1)

100 IRE = 235 (235.0)


Otherwise, the patterns are perfectly encoded. The edges of the window are aligned on 8x8 blocks, so there are no artifacts. The TS bitrate of 19.39 Mbps is way more than necessary. The video bitrate is actually less than 1 Mbps for these simple patterns.


Ron
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