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HD-Lite defined at Wikipedia
I guess this makes the term "HD Lite" official. Thanks to gdarwin (from the "other" forum) for the finding.
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| From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: HD Lite: is the broadcast of a particular High Definition channel in a format Other than its intended format. These formats include but are not limited to 1280 x 1080 I/P, 1440 x 1080 I/P and are not official High Definition formats recognized by the FCC and the ATSC. For many months various programming providers have been misinforming their customers and have been providing a less than HDTV signal known by many as HD LITE. The term HD Lite was adopted by many to describe the low quality high definition picture that they recived from there television providers. Many people belive that this is a form of false advertisement. The following providers are currently in HD LITE. Providers include but are not limited to DIRECTV, DISH NETWORK. Other related links: http://ftp.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Ord...1/fcc01022.pdf http://www.atsc.org/standards/practices/a_54a.pdf http://www.stophdlite.com Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hd_lite " |
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Well, not really. It was posted first by gdarwin at that other forum I'm not suppose to mention here 
| Originally Posted by dg28 Once again, you heard it here first at AVS Forum. |
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A couple of typos but I guess it gets the message across. I hope that customers bring this to the attention of the offending providers.
Cute.
| Originally Posted by Walter L. I guess this makes the term "HD Lite" official. Thanks to gdarwin for the finding. |
A couple of typos but I guess it gets the message across. I hope that customers bring this to the attention of the offending providers.
Cute.
Too bad they got it wrong. 1280 x 1080i and 1440 x 1080i are ATSC-sanctioned HD formats.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The format is not so much to blame for the lousy picture quality of HD-lite. Poorly done recompression and low bit rates are mostly to blame.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The format is not so much to blame for the lousy picture quality of HD-lite. Poorly done recompression and low bit rates are mostly to blame.
I wonder who should we credit for the addition of the definition. Perhaps someone from this forum?
How long before somebody creates a wiki entry for "D-Whipped" ??
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I second that !
| Originally Posted by Walter L. I wonder who should we credit for the addition of the definition. Perhaps someone from this forum? |
It's now official. D* is infamous and notorious for their crappy HD quality. First step Wikipedia, next step Websters! Yesss!!
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Can you point to an ATSC document or reference table that shows those resolutions as HD? I've looked, but was never able to find them show in conjunction with HD standards.
Scott
| Originally Posted by balazer Too bad they got it wrong. 1280 x 1080i and 1440 x 1080i are ATSC-sanctioned HD formats. |
Scott
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You won't find one - not for HDTV.
| Originally Posted by srw1000 Can you point to an ATSC document or reference table that shows those resolutions as HD? I've looked, but was never able to find them show in conjunction with HD standards. Scott |
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Maybe someone will fix it......
| Originally Posted by balazer Too bad they got it wrong. |
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Oh boy here we go again...
PAGE 12 of http://www.atsc.org/standards/practices/a_54a.pdf
There are ONLY two ATSC High Definition resolutions and they are clearly defined by the ATSC:
"The ATSC Standard enables transmission of HDTV pictures at several frame rates and one of two picture formats, these are listed in the top two lines of table 5.1"
Table 5.1:
"SMPTE 274M (1998): Standard for Television—1920 1080
1080 1920 16:9 60I, 30P, 24P
SMPTE 296M (2001): Standard for Television—1280 720
720 1280 16:9 60P, 30P, 24P"
Hammer
| Originally Posted by balazer Too bad they got it wrong. 1280 x 1080i and 1440 x 1080i are ATSC-sanctioned HD formats. |
PAGE 12 of http://www.atsc.org/standards/practices/a_54a.pdf
There are ONLY two ATSC High Definition resolutions and they are clearly defined by the ATSC:
"The ATSC Standard enables transmission of HDTV pictures at several frame rates and one of two picture formats, these are listed in the top two lines of table 5.1"
Table 5.1:
"SMPTE 274M (1998): Standard for Television—1920 1080
1080 1920 16:9 60I, 30P, 24P
SMPTE 296M (2001): Standard for Television—1280 720
720 1280 16:9 60P, 30P, 24P"
Hammer
Some people confuse the many (MANY) digital format resolutions listed by ATSC as HDTV formats. Those digital resolutions do include 1280x1080 and 1440x1080, but they also include resolutions down to SD DVD range or even lower.
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Seems AVS guys like to nit pic the issues... I know what I see on my 50 HDTV...
Here is my post on the other site that started this:
Topic: HD Lite again...
Last night Smart Travels was on HDNet and EQUTR at the same time. I kept switching between both channels.
The HDNet feed was really crisp and all wide angle shots you could see every small detail. On the EQUTR feed it seemed washed out and not as sharp.
This discussion might have slowed down, but I can still tell the difference.
| Originally Posted by CPanther95 Some people confuse the many (MANY) digital format resolutions listed by ATSC as HDTV formats. Those digital resolutions do include 1280x1080 and 1440x1080, but they also include resolutions down to SD DVD range or even lower. |
Here is my post on the other site that started this:
Topic: HD Lite again...
Last night Smart Travels was on HDNet and EQUTR at the same time. I kept switching between both channels.
The HDNet feed was really crisp and all wide angle shots you could see every small detail. On the EQUTR feed it seemed washed out and not as sharp.
This discussion might have slowed down, but I can still tell the difference.
It looks like the earlier definition has been altered/corrected/changed/neutered (pick one).
Interesting.
Scott
Interesting.
Scott
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Yes, the ATSC says that 1920 x 1080i and 1280 x 720p are HDTV. But where does it say that these two modes are the only modes that are considered HDTV? Where does it say that 1280 x 1080i is not HD?
It doesn't. The ATSC has never defined HDTV in such a way as to include or exclude 1280 x 1080i. And even if the ATSC did define HDTV, what would it matter? The ATSC has no authority. Broadcasters can transmit whatever modes they want.
I'm as much against HD Lite as the next guy. But to get stuck on these numbers is missing the point. HD Lite is HD Lite because it looks bad compared to how good HDTV can look.
For better or worse, the government does not enforce picture quality standards, or the use of terms used to describe picture quality. They also don't tell us how sharp our newsprint needs to be. There are no government standards for the brightness and contrast of magazine print. There is no rule against drippy, smeared printing in missing person mailings.
| Originally Posted by hammerdwn Oh boy here we go again... PAGE 12 of http://www.atsc.org/standards/practices/a_54a.pdf There are ONLY two ATSC High Definition resolutions and they are clearly defined by the ATSC: "The ATSC Standard enables transmission of HDTV pictures at several frame rates and one of two picture formats, these are listed in the top two lines of table 5.1" Table 5.1: "SMPTE 274M (1998): Standard for Television—1920 1080 1080 1920 16:9 60I, 30P, 24P SMPTE 296M (2001): Standard for Television—1280 720 720 1280 16:9 60P, 30P, 24P" Hammer |
It doesn't. The ATSC has never defined HDTV in such a way as to include or exclude 1280 x 1080i. And even if the ATSC did define HDTV, what would it matter? The ATSC has no authority. Broadcasters can transmit whatever modes they want.
I'm as much against HD Lite as the next guy. But to get stuck on these numbers is missing the point. HD Lite is HD Lite because it looks bad compared to how good HDTV can look.
For better or worse, the government does not enforce picture quality standards, or the use of terms used to describe picture quality. They also don't tell us how sharp our newsprint needs to be. There are no government standards for the brightness and contrast of magazine print. There is no rule against drippy, smeared printing in missing person mailings.
Hammer,
By your logic, 4096 x 3072/p is not HD either.
By your logic, 4096 x 3072/p is not HD either.
It isn't. That would be better than HD.
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And Dish is not?
| Originally Posted by R11 It's now official. D* is infamous and notorious for their crappy HD quality. First step Wikipedia, next step Websters! Yesss!! ron |
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