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hd2+ VERSUS hd3

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bscottclark

Discussion Starter · Mar 1, 2005

IF you buy a DLP with HD2+ chip, and once the hd3 comes out, will you be able to buy the hd3 chip and install in the old TV???

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htwaits

· #2 · Mar 1, 2005

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Originally posted by bscottclark
IF you buy a DLP with HD2+ chip, and once the hd3 comes out, will you be able to buy the hd3 chip and install in the old TV???

No.

The HD3 chip has been available in Samsung DLP sets as long or longer than the HD2+. They are very different designs.

I'm not aware of any micro chip display where it's possible to upgrade the chip.

Do a search on either one or look for threads about HLPxx63 (HD3) sets or HLPxx74/HLPxx85 (HD2+) sets.

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BillP

· #3 · Mar 1, 2005

Most people prefer the HD2+ chip over the HD3 chip (sharper PQ).

RogRacer

· #4 · Mar 1, 2005

Strange question....maybe you mean the xHD3 chip (1080p)...but the answer is still no......

JoeSchueller

· #5 · Mar 1, 2005

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Originally posted by BillP
Most people prefer the HD2+ chip over the HD3 chip (sharper PQ).

I want so badly to let this go, but this is pure speculation - do you have a source for this? Has there been a poll or survey I've missed?

My personal experience is that the HD3 set, with its "softer" picture, does a better job producing a good picture with SD material and 480i DVD material than the HD2+ chip. At equivalent screen sizes in the Samsung product line, it can also save the buyer up to 30% of the purchase price. Unless 100% of your viewing is in HD or well-upconverted DVD's, I would encourage people to consider their options.

For these reasons, I prefer the HD3 chip and its implementation in the Samsung HLP5063.

And to answer the original poster's question - My opinion is that you won't see upgradeable displays like you can upgrade the CPU on your PC - the architectures change too quickly and the total display is dependent on much more than just the DMD chip.

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Iceblade

· #6 · Mar 1, 2005

Joe,

I have to concur with the HD2+ vs. HD3... even with regards to SD material. My old HLN did an ABYSSMAL job with SDTV via D*. Since getting the HL-P5685, I was flat out floored with how much better SDTV looked... even the compressed-all-to-hell-and-back signal being sent by D*. HD3 is soft across the board, regardless of source. Just not my cup of tea. As always, your mileage may vary.

Regs,

Jeff

TheGrub

· #7 · Mar 1, 2005

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Originally posted by JoeSchueller
I want so badly to let this go, but this is pure speculation - do you have a source for this? Has there been a poll or survey I've missed?

Reading all the posts comparing the HD3 vs HD2+ in here will show you that most people like the HD2+ better.

It might not be the same for regular consumers that don't realy know what is the Diff between DLP, LCD, Plasma or CRT, but this forum is the reference for RP lovers... and i think we can base our informations on this.

BillP

· #8 · Mar 1, 2005

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Originally posted by JoeSchueller
I want so badly to let this go, but this is pure speculation - do you have a source for this? Has there been a poll or survey I've missed?

My personal experience is that the HD3 set, with its "softer" picture, does a better job producing a good picture with SD material and 480i DVD material than the HD2+ chip. At equivalent screen sizes in the Samsung product line, it can also save the buyer up to 30% of the purchase price.

As others have already replied, my "source" is the multitude of threads on the forum, and most people have indeed posted that they prefer the HD2+ chip. Of course, this is all opinion, and many, including yourself, may prefer the HD3 chip which, as you stated, is also less expensive. I absolutely agree with you that everyone shopping for a new HDTV needs to look for themselves since everyone's tastes and preferences vary.

c1courtney

· #9 · Mar 1, 2005

Personal observations is that the majority of posters prefer HD2+ over HD3.

But don't take my word on it vote

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=515265

Mike K

· #10 · Mar 1, 2005

I compared the two side by side and clearly preferred the HD2+. It was visibly sharper with everything much more distinct. The HD3 was a good picture with the colors blending nicely together, but did not give me a WOW factor.

At home, the HD2+ system has exceeded my expectations, especially on the SD signals which I was expecting to be bad. It is the equal of my prior 36" XBR HD Sony direct view TV on SD pictures, and much better on HD.

RaveD

· #11 · Mar 2, 2005

With two sets set up properly side-by-side I really don't get how anyone would prefer the HD3. Viewing the same signal, the HD3 looks washed out in comparison to HD2+.

Nevertheless, some people clearly prefer it, or they are lying to themselves to justify their purchase.

If you consider a crisp bright picture to be superior to a dimmer, less detailed picture then you are probably in the majority, and would prefer HD2+.

A vote would be pointless, since this is a highly personal preference. If you are planning to spend $3,000 then why would you base your decision on strangers' votes? Judge for yourself!

ronshock

· #12 · Mar 2, 2005

But what about HD2+ at 720p vs. xHD3 at 1080p?

I really want to see these two side-by-side in a store (hopefully in a few more months - May-June).

I know Samsung showed a 720p DLP right next to their new 1080p DLP (of the same size) at CES, and everyone who saw it could instantly see the jump in PQ. But I wonder which chip Samsung used in that 720p unit. Was it the HD3 or the HD2+? I'm guessing that it was the older HD3 chip.

JoeSchueller

· #13 · Mar 2, 2005

Thanks for the poll. Nice to see some pseudo-scientific look at it. My problem wasn't that the HD3 was necessarily any better - it just met my needs better. I'm not stupid enough to think a less sharp and less capable display will beat a well-implemented sharper and more capable display. My issue was that given the amount of SD and DVD material people watch and the generally average quality of image processing, the "softer" (less capable) display was likely to produce a pleasing image. Compound that fact with significant cost savings, and it is an interesting POV.

I'm not an ED over HD idiot (thought I've seen them in the flat panel forum), I get it. I just wanted to pose the alternative viewpoint for discussion.

Thanks to all for the input & perspective.

RaveD

· #14 · Mar 2, 2005

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Originally posted by JoeSchueller
My issue was that given the amount of SD and DVD material people watch and the generally average quality of image processing, the "softer" (less capable) display was likely to produce a pleasing image.

Is this anything other than a subjective opinion?

I have heard from several sources that even SD looks better on HD2+ than on HD3.

mmccking

· #15 · Mar 2, 2005

What I did notice about the HLPxx63 sets that I've seen is almost no swarming dots in dark picture areas. I don't know if that was because of the HD3 or the set itself. Compared to an HLP5085, 5674, HLN567, and Mitsui the xx63 performed much better in that respect, however...

I still perfer the sharper HD2/+ picture.

xb1032

· #16 · Mar 3, 2005

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Originally posted by JoeSchueller
...I want so badly to let this go, but this is pure speculation - do you have a My personal experience is that the HD3 set, with its "softer" picture, does a better job producing a good picture with SD material and 480i DVD material than the HD2+ chip.

SD Material can vary by the set. SD on the Toshiba DLP that I had looked awful. It's leaps and bounds better on the Mitsubishi DLP that replaced it. I doubt the Samsung HD3 models look better. I've also never (could be wrong though) heard anyone on the board say they prefer the tabletop HD2 models over the Samsung Pedestal models for picture quality. One thing I've never understood is why people like a "softer picture". To me, softer means blurring to hide noise. Softer to me also means also means out of focus. Then again, that's just my opinion

(I guess).

yobob

· #17 · Mar 3, 2005

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Originally posted by JoeSchueller
I'm not an ED over HD idiot (thought I've seen them in the flat panel forum), I get it. I just wanted to pose the alternative viewpoint for discussion.

Who you callin' an idiot?

Seriously though, as I'm one of those who can see "rainbow" in a DLP RP, I have opted for a PDP. But regarding DLP RPs, I do have my preferences. And I far prefer the HD2+ over the HD3, for the very reasons cited above. (And I voted!)

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