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HDFury Maestro HDBaseT solution is now shipping!

Maestro Product Page at HDfury.com
Maestro main features list

@Manni01 was an early tester of this product. See his report here:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-video-processors/3005672-hdfury-maestro-hdbaset-product-anticipation-thread-5.html#post57695584

From the site:
"State of the art solution for long distance 4K HDR 18Gbps/600MHz transmission via Ethernet cable (HDBaseT)
Support any video and/or audio signal in existence today including LLDV, HLG, HDR10+, DTS:X, ATMOS and more…
Maestro allows any HDMI source (Blu-ray, UHD Blu-ray, media players, satellite receiver, game consoles, PCs, etc.) to be shown on any of the connected displays and any sources Full HDMI audio to be played on ANY AVR."

Some notable new features:
- TMDS/pixel clock switching, sole switch in the world capable of autoswitching sources such as ATV4K, X1X, Shield or any others sources devices who keep sending +5v in standby and that no switcher in the world can autoswitch.
- World first and sole device in the world capable of extracting ARC and especially eARC up to Atmos high bitrate over True HD from capable eARC TV and forward to any AVR input (via 720p/1080p self generated stream)
- World first RS232 editable commands sender based on content type (that's Manni JVC macro open to any RS232 capable display) - this functionality has recently received a significant update - see here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-digital-hi-end-projectors-3-000-usd-msrp/3038288-official-jvc-rs3000-nx9-jvc-rs2000-nx7-n7-jvc-rs1000-nx5-n5-owners-thread-892.html#post59593690

For those that don't need the HDBaseT functionality there is another new product: Diva. See link to AVS thread here:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-video-processors/3033360-hdfury-diva-product-anticipation-thread.html#post57243306

***LATEST FIRMWARE***
Latest firmware is available to download at the Download tab on the HDFury page here:
https://www.hdfury.com/product/maestro/


Video of the HDfury Maestro in action:
HDFury maestro TX RX demo video with OSD

HDFury TX RX IR control demo video with OSD


Some useful links:

First version of user manual

For firmware updates, manuals, API, etc - click on Downloads

Product images and outline spec

OLED screenshots / preorder announced

Pictures of UI

Clarification on DV support over HDBT (Low Latency DV supported at 60Hz, standard DV limited to 24Hz)

ARC / eARC info

Maestro remote control (IP / IR) with Irule
 

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Having just agonised over which HDBaseT setup to go with for my projector (ended up with an Atlona unit, it's OK I guess) I was really excited to read about a new product from HDFury, which combines HDFury Vertex plus HD-BaseT plus plus functionality... looks very interesting.

I'm particularly interested to understand how it deals with 18gbps content given the current 10gbps limit on HDBaseT links (is it using colour space conversion or visually lossless compression or both?) and can it deal with Dolby Vision above 30Hz - which is problematic I believe for all other HDBaseT devices. Also really looking forward to hearing about release schedule.

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There is one thing we will never comment (I'm not allowed to...) it is the tech used for HDbaseT.
Devs was really strict on that one. They said, they invite anyone to make comparison with existing solution and provide comment, review and results.
If they made it, it's because they have something special as they perfectly understand the limitation of current existing solutions.


So whether it is using algo, trick, magic or a mix of all this will remain unknown forever, giving any informations on this subject would bring crucial info to competitors at the same time.
They are confident that it will beat any current solution and that your guys will have hard time finding how it was done, may be we will reveal it once the device life time is expired. In the meantime, only real test and real comparison can talk on this subject.


LLDV 600MHz is supported, no DV 600MHz support currently but it can change with the release of public SDK from Dolby this month.
 

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Yes waiting for shipping announcement.
 

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TMDS switching on Maestro

While fine tuning the release firmware, we wanted to make great use of the multiple inputs and worked on an annoying issue that nearly no one else on the market is able to solve.

If you have a X1X or an ATV4K or one of the many STB or others sources working this way, you should know that those devices will continuously send +5V on their outputs and render the classic autoswitching method useless because it relies on +5V state to determine if a source is active or not.
This is why any switches on the market that come with such autoswitching method (99.9% of them) will fail to detect if X1X, ATV4K or any sources that continuously send +5V is really active or not and therefor force you to use manual switching.

Such limitations are now a thing of the past with Maestro as it will autoswitch for any sources no matter if they continuously send +5V or not.

Clever pixel clock frequencies analysis is now permanently running in the background and will auto-determine whenever any connected device is sending any valid signal.
This allow the internal routines to switch to any sources based on real content transmitted. It is an unique feature that is now perfectly working and tested today with X1X and ATV4K.


Stay tuned as we will publish full features list shortly.
 

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@HDfury I've been holding out for a 4 port Vertex/Integral 2 (4 inputs - 2 outputs of which one output is for audio only) instead of going for a switcher + Integral 2

However, is this device suitable for above use case since I only have a use for the Central transmitter unit and not for the receiver unit. Ergo, I won't be using HDBaseT
 

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@HDfury I've been holding out for a 4 port Vertex/Integral 2 (4 inputs - 2 outputs of which one output is for audio only) instead of going for a switcher + Integral 2

However, is this device suitable for above use case since I only have a use for the Central transmitter unit and not for the receiver unit. Ergo, I won't be using HDBaseT
The outline info above seems to suggest yes, you just wouldn't be using the HDBT output or the receiver.
If if can be used in this way sensibly then maybe HDfury might consider selling just the transmitter unit.
 

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@HDfury I've been holding out for a 4 port Vertex/Integral 2 (4 inputs - 2 outputs of which one output is for audio only) instead of going for a switcher + Integral 2

However, is this device suitable for above use case since I only have a use for the Central transmitter unit and not for the receiver unit. Ergo, I won't be using HDBaseT
You can of course only purchase the main central if what you need is 4 inputs (with TMDS switching !!!), 1 main output full video and 1 special full audio output over 1080p stream.
 

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You can of course only purchase the main central if what you need is 4 inputs (with TMDS switching !!!), 1 main output full video and 1 special full audio output over 1080p stream.
I assume Maestro is the AV+ device in the comparison on the website? https://www.hdfury.com/comparison/ . In any case, you wouldn't by any chance be looking for beta testers?

One small Q on the audio HDMI-port if you are permitted to share the answer: Does it support HD-audio formats like DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD?
Or does the '1080p' reference imply it will not be supporting HD-audio?


* I know I'm not supposed to quote, but seeing you have some many topics to follow and reply to this is probably convenient;)
 

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I assume Maestro is the AV+ device in the comparison on the website? https://www.hdfury.com/comparison/ . In any case, you wouldn't by any chance be looking for beta testers?

One small Q on the audio HDMI-port if you are permitted to share the answer: Does it support HD-audio formats like DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD?
Or does the '1080p' reference imply it will not be supporting HD-audio?


* I know I'm not supposed to quote, but seeing you have some many topics to follow and reply to this is probably convenient;)
Keep quoting please ;)


for your question on comparison page, more likely yes but we have that page up since a while, so I'm not sure all is up to date and matching it, basically we have 3 new devices all with 4 inputs and audio out, so what you see on that comparison can only be one of them, for ex, I'm not sure it mention any HDbaseT yet, while HDbaseT is specific to Maestro only.


However, Maestro is the next one to come out, others are planned for a bit later and not announced yet.


for your question, the audio is the EXACT audio received at the input when source is sending any signal (DV/HLG/HDR/etc... whatever), just video is downscaled on one output going to older AVR so they can accept it.


For beta testers, we pick them up from our customers based on how they report issue. If one have particular skill to report an issue with accuracy and logic, then there is chance we will offer him to beta test next devices.
We can also pick some based on their setup, if they have a particular model/brand device that we are interested in testing.
 

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Since this will be part of the same family as the Vertex/Intergel2 will the scaling engine be the same or will the Maestro offer some improvements?
And I take it the price will be a bit more then the Vertex?
 

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Since this will be part of the same family as the Vertex/Intergel2 will the scaling engine be the same or will the Maestro offer some improvements?
And I take it the price will be a bit more then the Vertex?
No improvements from Vertex/Integral2, as I wrote to you before, the only improvement will come when we will have time to expose all scaling parameters, it is not real improvement but it will allow anyone to adjust and find the right parameters that match their needs.
Scaling quality is very dependent on content and purpose, retro or gaming have different needs and different taste than scaling for movie.
Exposing all scaling parameters for users to play with might occur only on Maestro and newer device since Vertex/Integral2 have all their memory full already.
Maestro is way more expensive than anything else from us, similar solution on the market are starting from 1000$ while being clearly inferior on all aspects.
 

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No improvements from Vertex/Integral2, as I wrote to you before, the only improvement will come when we will have time to expose all scaling parameters, it is not real improvement but it will allow anyone to adjust and find the right parameters that match their needs.
Scaling quality is very dependent on content and purpose, retro or gaming have different needs and different taste than scaling for movie.
Exposing all scaling parameters for users to play with might occur only on Maestro and newer device since Vertex/Integral2 have all their memory full already.

Allowing users to modify scaling parameters would be interesting for fine tuning for gaming/graphics in this case.
With that said, I was still trying to get confirmation if your hardware (Maestro) can maintain a 4:4:4 RGB chroma when up-scaling 1080p to 4k?


4 HDMI inputs on main Central (or Transmitter), one main HDMI out, one Audio out (at 720p or 1080p), LAN connection (for webserver control), RS232, L/R SP/DIF, IR eye, IR sensor input, IR out, IR direct input, RS232 and more...
2 HDMI outputs on RX (or receiver), S/PDIF in from TV, S/PDIF & stereo out, HDMI main out, HDMI 2nd out which can downscale, IR sensor or direct IR in, IR output, 2x LAN (for 2 Tv or TV + other, or any others), HDbase T in, RS232
And of course OLED on both Central and RX.

So HDMI 2nd is for audio output only with black screen or for downscaling 4k source to 720p or 1080p?
And HDMI main out can be passthru of source or upscale to 4k?



Maestro is way more expensive than anything else from us, similar solution on the market are starting from 1000$ while being clearly inferior on all aspects.

Are there any plans for a discount on the Maestro during the pre-order phase if you purchased a previous product like the Vertex?
There was a similar discount promotion on the Vertex for those that purchased an Integral.
 

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Allowing users to modify scaling parameters would be interesting for fine tuning for gaming/graphics in this case.
With that said, I was still trying to get confirmation if your hardware (Maestro) can maintain a 4:4:4 RGB chroma when up-scaling 1080p to 4k?

So HDMI 2nd is for audio output only with black screen or for downscaling 4k source to 720p or 1080p?
And HDMI main out can be passthru of source or upscale to 4k?

Are there any plans for a discount on the Maestro during the pre-order phase if you purchased a previous product like the Vertex?
There was a similar discount promotion on the Vertex for those that purchased an Integral.
1st question: It will perform exactly as shown on Vertex thread thru excel spreadsheet tests, which is above than Linker but according to Claw and others, inferior to what an UB900 can offer.
2nd: HDMI 2n on Central unit is for full audio with black frame video. (same as what UHD BR player offers with 2nd HDMI output, just now you have it for any of the 4 sources you can connect at inputs)
3rd: Yes, Main HDMI out can pass thru or upscale.
4th : Yes, more likely !
 

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1st question: It will perform exactly as shown on Vertex thread thru excel spreadsheet tests, which is above than Linker but according to Claw and others, inferior to what an UB900 can offer.
2nd: HDMI 2n on Central unit is for full audio with black frame video. (same as what UHD BR player offers with 2nd HDMI output, just now you have it for any of the 4 sources you can connect at inputs)
3rd: Yes, Main HDMI out can pass thru or upscale.
4th : Yes, more likely !

Hi,


If I recall correctly, you said one time that the Linker will drop 4:4:4 down to 4:2:2 for upscaling 1080p to 4k. But there is no middle ground as far as the Vertex (or Maestro) scaling goes. What I am trying to get a yes or no on is if the hardware capable of maintaining 4:4:4 going from 1080p to 4k when upscaling or not? And I understand you are saying it may be inferior to UB900 and/or other scalers. But the main thing I am trying to find out is if a 1080p/4:4:4 input will stay @ 4:4:4 when upscaling it to 4k (before allowing scaling parameters modifications)? :confused:
 
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