HDMI cable for Panny 58px60u

I have the same tv .. its 1.2 But the 58px60u will except 1080p and down convert to 768p... I am really happy with my purchase. Getting ready to calibrate the set soon I will be past the breakin period of 200hrs...


Thats the differance between cheap HDMI cables and good ones. The higher quality cables that are high dollar can transfer the signal with little or no loss. The cheap cables are good for 3-6ft use only. Also cheap cables are not shielded like the expensive ones are. I actually have alot of Monster Cable but my HDMI is a 3ft cheap one with no issues.



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I have the same tv .. its 1.2 But the 58px60u will except 1080p and down convert to 768p... I am really happy with my purchase. Getting ready to calibrate the set soon I will be past the breakin period of 200hrs...

Thats the differance between cheap HDMI cables and good ones. The higher quality cables that are high dollar can transfer the signal with little or no loss. The cheap cables are good for 3-6ft use only. Also cheap cables are not shielded like the expensive ones are. I actually have alot of Monster Cable but my HDMI is a 3ft cheap one with no issues.

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I have the "cheap" HDMI 50 ft and 6 ft cables and it works great. If someone still buys monster cables, after they know about monoprice.com, must be smoking crack.

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Also cheap cables are not shielded like the expensive ones are.

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Where is your data to back up this claim?



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HDMI is a digital signal its a stream of 1's and 0's. It's either their or its not. Theres no degredation it either works or it doesn't. Theres no reason to spend 100 bucks on a monster or similar hdmi cable.

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Correct, its there or its not. The information passed in HDMI can be corrupted on many scales of distortions. Radiowaves,AC power noise, ect. There are many forms of distortion that can take bits and pieces of your information and your tvs technology will fill in the holes with blending techniques that cover up the loss. Professional shielding techniques can improve the quality of your picture plain and simple. Now I agree that 100.00 for a cable is high but you should see the cables that you cant buy in stores. Monster Cable sells to highend users cables that cost over 1000.00. Monster cable can deliver more clarity, color and brighter more rounded sound. Not to mention its important to spend money where your wiring starts like the power surge. Some Monster Power Supplys will filter electical noise out of your power. So its like a chain and each link has to be strong or your chain will give you poor performance. Make sense? You have to see it to believe it...


You ever seen a expensive cable cut open? It has heavier foils and many flexible strands to insure information doesnt get out or enter. Also the cable is alot more flexible and more durable. Its made more flexible so the cable doesnt kink. If a cheap cable gets bent the wire may appear to be straight but inside is a kink that will cause great signal loss. Most cheap cables come wrapped with lots of bends from the factory. Quality cables are shipped in a packed that allows the cable to lay around natural so there are no kinks. Ahh I could talk for hours about this crap but Im done for now.



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Correct, its there or its not. The information passed in HDMI can be corrupted on many scales of distortions. Radiowaves,AC power noise, ect. There are many forms of distortion that can take bits and pieces of your information and your tvs technology will fill in the holes with blending techniques that cover up the loss. Professional shielding techniques can improve the quality of your picture plain and simple. Now I agree that 100.00 for a cable is high but you should see the cables that you cant buy in stores. Monster Cable sells to highend users cables that cost over 1000.00. Monster cable can deliver more clarity, color and brighter more rounded sound. Not to mention its important to spend money where your wiring starts like the power surge. Some Monster Power Supplys will filter electical noise out of your power. So its like a chain and each link has to be strong or your chain will give you poor performance. Make sense? You have to see it to believe it...


You ever seen a expensive cable cut open? It has heavier foils and many flexible strands to insure information doesnt get out or enter. Also the cable is alot more flexible and more durable. Its made more flexible so the cable doesnt kink. If a cheap cable gets bent the wire may appear to be straight but inside is a kink that will cause great signal loss. Most cheap cables come wrapped with lots of bends from the factory. Quality cables are shipped in a packed that allows the cable to lay around natural so there are no kinks. Ahh I could talk for hours about this crap but Im done for now.

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Do you work for Monster? You seem to have really bought in to their propaganda.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that all cables are created equal. There can be issues of longevity, pliability, secure connections, etc... For the most part however, an expensive HDMI cable will not perform discernibly better when connected to consumer grade electronics than an inexpensive cable.


Don't waste your money on overpriced cables people. Check out these links.

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Ever taken a paper clip and stuck it into the back of your tv? Or hooked up a coax cable not even connected to a antenna and you get a picture? The reason is because the signals in the air are strong and the wires are unshielded. Then you have phones, hamradios, putting all that info in the air. The biggest signal killers I have found are heating and air electical feedback that should be filtered. But also your tv and audio recievers can put out distortions that can damage the signal transfer. On the internet there are alot of pro Monster Cable sites and alot of negative. I assure you that people that are really into getting the most out of there investment buy Monster Cable or other Pro Audio/Video products. Most people cant even tell the differance from 1080p and 1080p downconverted to 768p. To me they both look great. Again I dont have a monster cable HDMI myself becuase mine was given free with my tv purchase. Its a cheap one and will work for now but I do have about 500.00+ invested in Monster products. The best investment I found was Monster Power...



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Ever taken a paper clip and stuck it into the back of your tv? Or hooked up a coax cable not even connected to a antenna and you get a picture? The reason is because the signals in the air are strong and the wires are unshielded. Then you have phones, hamradios, putting all that info in the air. The biggest signal killers I have found are heating and air electical feedback that should be filtered. But also your tv and audio recievers can put out distortions that can damage the signal transfer. On the internet there are alot of pro Monster Cable sites and alot of negative.

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I'll definitely give you the whole shielded/unshielded argument but only as far as analog cables. Analog cables (composite, S-Video) can be highly influenced by outside interference which can affect picture quality in various degrees but as for HDMI, using a digital signal, there is no varying level of degradation. You get one of three problems: full signal, pixilated signal usually viewed as a snow effect on the screen and no image whatsoever. Additionally, if you are passing audio via HDMI, it's about the same, full audio, audio with cracks and pops (its version of snow) or no audio.


Well manufactured cables will perform on par with their monster counterparts in one of these same ways: there are no degrees of perfect, snow, or no signal. Cheaply (read poorly) manufactured HDMI cables in many instances will still perform in short runs but degrade over longer distance however, there are many cables out there that can and will perform at long lengths without issue. Monoprice's, Firefold's and Blue Jean's cables can all compete with Monster on signal quality for their HDMI cables as experienced by numerous friends I have steered away from ridiculously priced cables, even in runs up to 50'. From personal experience with Monoprice's analog cables, they are just as good as Monster's cables (though I will say that the radioshack and RCA cables I have had were not as good as either so there is something to be said about build for analog cables from experience).


One thing I will give monster over the three I named is that they do produce a cable that can handle the full 1.3a spec for HDMI (340MHz 10.2Gbps) at a number of lengths. It's freaking expensive and both MonoPrice and Blue Jeans have a 1.3a cable coming to market (the latter this June). As long as a consumer does their research, they can always find reputable companies with quality products below the costs of any Monster or comparable top dollar company.



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First off were talking about detail not stretching out a dvd image on a hdtv. Yeah I agree at that point anything would look like crap. Plus the screen size isnt even anywhere close to what were talking about. 58" verses a 26". Yeah even Analog looks good on a 26". I cant believe you would even take the time to type that garbage. LOL, CC is like a bunch of newbish order takers. Plus they have a habit of firing all there good people. So yeah, ya got no credit with me.

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The point I was trying to make was that even with analog cables where there might be slight differences in signal loss across different manufacturers, there was no discernable difference. You obviously have no idea about the way HDMI works. It's 0's and 1's. There is no in between. It's either there or it's not. End of story. I chose not to spend $100 on a 3 meter monster cable and instead bought a 15ft cable from monoprice for $7. If you actually think that you can see a difference then more power to you. Just know that the difference you see is not real. It's only there because you want it to be in order for you to justify spending 15X what the cable is worth. I was not looking for any credit from you. I was merely trying to tell people that monster cables are not worth the money that they charge for them. Besides, when I worked there I knew my stuff and was most certainly not a 'newbish order taker'. I believe those employees are the ones who try to push monster cables onto people.



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Originally Posted by Neoison /forum/post/0


First off were talking about detail not stretching out a dvd image on a hdtv. Yeah I agree at that point anything would look like crap. Plus the screen size isnt even anywhere close to what were talking about. 58" verses a 26". Yeah even Analog looks good on a 26". I cant believe you would even take the time to type that garbage. LOL, CC is like a bunch of newbish order takers. Plus they have a habit of firing all there good people. So yeah, ya got no credit with me.

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Why are you taking this to name calling level?


There are many knowledgeable people on these boards that would outright disagree with you regarding Monster vs. generic cables when dealing with digital signals. There are also many articles that go against your theory:

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Your $500 investment in Monster products may make you sleep better at night but chances are you could have achieved the same result spending far less.