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I own over 50 4k movies so far. Only 8 supports HDR 10 AND Dolby vision. If that means anything.
There are only around 25 Dolby Vision UHD BD titles released so far.
 

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Whatever format the porn industry picks will be the winner.
 

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It's going to be a few more years before the HDR format settles down, right now manuafactors are still tossing darts as what format to use and how they want to process that format in their products. Until either Hollywood or the BDA picks a single format to use (HDR10+) Dolby Vision, or Technicolor HDR we will continue to chase this magical unicorn.
 

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It's going to be a few more years before the HDR format settles down, right now manuafactors are still tossing darts as what format to use and how they want to process that format in their products. Until either Hollywood or the BDA picks a single format to use (HDR10+) Dolby Vision, or Technicolor HDR we will continue to chase this magical unicorn.
Well it's fairly safe to say it's not going to be Technicolor. Surprised to even see it mentioned :eek:. How many Blu-Ray discs use it so far? Who could even play it back if there were any?!
 

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Well it's fairly safe to say it's not going to be Technicolor. Surprised to even see it mentioned :eek:. How many Blu-Ray discs use it so far? Who could even play it back if there were any?!
Technicolor HDR is still in a developmental format, but yet another format none the less. :rolleyes:
 

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Forget about DV versus HDR10 versus HDR10+. Smoke and mirrors and lots of hype.

How about broadcasters adopting HLG & Netflix providing Dolby Atmos soundtracks via DD+ without having to buy a 2017 LG OLED TV or Xbox One, (X) or (S)?

It gets really old hearing all this hype and we're still stuck with 720p or 1080i from broadcast TV, cable & satellite. At least Directv is making an effort with their 4K channels. On the sound front, outside of expensive PPV with Dolby Atmos, it's virtually non-existent. Looking at the glass as half full, at least Redbox is providing Dolby Atmos soundtracks with most of their Bluray rentals. You got that going for you...
 

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Is the difference between the base HDR10 layer and DV (and/or HDR10+) REALLY that much better? As in, can a layman look at a scene in HDR 10 and then the same scene in DV / HDR10+ and just know which was the better picture?

I've recently purchased a DV capable TV and looked at some DV stuff on Netflix, and it looks good, but to me everything looks good (my old TV being a 10+ year old Westinghouse 1080p piece-o-junk).
 

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DV has done nothing but cause embarrassment for Dolby, given the numerous issues with the format, and the laughably paltry number of discs containing DV despite not having any competition. Once that competition launches on disc, it's game over for DV.
I don't have any issues with the format in my setup. The PQ is fantastic!!! Best I've ever seen, both on disc, and streaming!
 

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Well it's fairly safe to say it's not going to be Technicolor. Surprised to even see it mentioned :eek:. How many Blu-Ray discs use it so far? Who could even play it back if there were any?!
SL-HDR2 is the Philips and Technicolor HDR format which was added to the UHD BD spec earlier this month. Along with HDR10+.

So now that it's in the format, players can be updated to HDR10+ and/or SL-HDR2. If the manufacturers want to. And of course that is the same for the companies releasing the discs. They can now include those formats on the disc if they want to.
 

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Is the difference between the base HDR10 layer and DV (and/or HDR10+) REALLY that much better? As in, can a layman look at a scene in HDR 10 and then the same scene in DV / HDR10+ and just know which was the better picture?

I've recently purchased a DV capable TV and looked at some DV stuff on Netflix, and it looks good, but to me everything looks good (my old TV being a 10+ year old Westinghouse 1080p piece-o-junk).
This is from the IT Ultra HD review posted on the front page. Seems like (at least for some titles) the lack of DV support won't mean anything.
Dolby Vision vs HDR-10:

I utilize the TCL 55P607 UHD Dolby Vision HDR flat panel in my review system. This enables me to compare the visual quality of titles that contained the Dolby Vision metadata versus its HDR-10 counterpart on the same disc. All titles are first watched via my JVC front projector. I then select specific scenes which are watched on the TCL, first via HDR-10 then via Dolby Vision. The TCL isn’t among the top tier flat panels with DV, however it came recommended by AVS Forum Senior Editor Mark Henninger, and calibrates/performs extremely well for a set at its price point.

* The cumulative A/V score will still be based upon the HDR-10 rating, with the DV rating serving as informational only for now.*

Comparing the DV and HDR-10 presentations for IT, I found the HDR rendering to essentially be identical. As I alluded to earlier, this film’s elements aren’t consistently lent to bright color and vibrant highlights. When I switched back and forth between the DV and HDR-10 renderings, any minute differences were negligible and not enough to warrant a rating difference. Both looked terrific, leaving me similarly satisfied with what I saw.
http://www.avsforum.com/ultra-hd-blu-ray-review-2/
 

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HDR10+ vs Dolby Vision

HDR10+ incorporates dynamic metadata that allows a high dynamic range (HDR) TV to adjust brightness levels on a scene-by-scene or even frame-by-frame basis.
This ^ was in Samsung’s original press release.


What do the Blu-ray.com insiders have to say.
HDR10 is a subset of Dolby Vision. Only thing it is missing is a standardized way of tone / gamut mapping and per frame dynamic metadata. HDR10+ is not frame aligned.
I can confirm it's scene-by-scene on disc. Maybe streaming is different but I doubt it. I'm sure it would violate a Dolby patent if it was frame based.
Although I am more of a Dolby Vision than HDR10+ proponent for specific reasons stated long ago (e.g. DV 's more elegant tone mapping algorithm - http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=12007747&highlight=2094#post12007747, 12-bit support, true frame-by-frame accuracy with no lag),
Appears Samsung is misleading in their press release. :eeksurprise: But that is for another thread.


I am posting this to illustrate that Dolby Vision is the technically superior format to HDR10+. This goes along with 12 bit, and 4.2.2. Also ICtCp capability in streaming.


I don’t think that we will get head to head comparisons between HDR10+ and Dolby Vision. But if we do, there is no doubt that Dolby Vision will be able to provide the superior presentation of any content.
 

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Is the difference between the base HDR10 layer and DV (and/or HDR10+) REALLY that much better? As in, can a layman look at a scene in HDR 10 and then the same scene in DV / HDR10+ and just know which was the better picture?

I've recently purchased a DV capable TV and looked at some DV stuff on Netflix, and it looks good, but to me everything looks good (my old TV being a 10+ year old Westinghouse 1080p piece-o-junk).
On a lower to mid quality TV, hdr10 will tone map badly and make sacrifices in the picture. For example, the picture will be very dim on a low bit display. But if that low nit display has Dolby Vision, the luminance levels will be restored and detail is recovered. Dolby Vision will automatically adjust to your tvs capabilities. Hdr10 doesn't do that.
 

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That’s true- but for a good tv (oled or FALD like a Sony z9) where most of the disk never exceeds 500 nits and all these sets cover huge swaths of color volume, should a discriminating person see a difference?

I just looked at Netflix DV on my Sony z9 vs hdr10 (Xbox). On stranger things 2 outside of the black seeming more elevated it was tough to see a diffenece. Preferred the hdr10 as black was black (Sony hdr10 processing is really good with adaptive contrast)

Was expecting a lot more after waiting 9 months for the update !!
 

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Don't know how true it is, but I've read that a major spur to the widespread acceptance of VHS over BetaMax was the porn industry. The story has it that Sony refused to allow porn producers to license BetaMax for product distribution, but there was no such restriction by the VHS camp.
Well, if that story is not true, it should be! :D
Hey, when Al Gore claimed to invent the Internet, we should have all asked him "Oh, you mean all the PORN as well?" (followed by "Hey Tipper, whadda ya think about that?) :D
 
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