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Here's an overview of the entire Home Theater scene (including HD, of course) from Barron's Online.

Sadly, the views of the author are apparently shared by many millions of Americans.


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Thursday, May 27, 2004

FIGHTING THE TAPE By HOWARD R. GOLD

A Glimpse of Home Entertainment's Future


OK, IT'S MEMORIAL DAY weekend. You're probably sick of reading about Iraq, terrorism, higher oil prices, when the Federal Reserve will raise interest rates, etc., etc.


So, let's have some fun.


We all have different ideas about what fun is. I indulged some of mine last week when I "covered" the Home Entertainment Show at the New York Hilton.


This formerly annual show, sponsored by publisher Primedia, now has gone biannual and bicoastal: The West Coast edition takes place in November in San Francisco.


I've gone to this show regularly over the last few years, partly because I like gadgets and gizmos but mostly because I love movies and music, and am always looking for new ways to see and hear them better.


Also, with the home theater revolution, so many new formats have exploded on the scene that I feel duty-bound to keep readers informed about the latest developments (and to keep myself amused and entertained, of course).


Many of you have probably either installed home theaters or are thinking of doing so. Others are waiting because of the cost (top-of-the-line systems can be as expensive as a second home; a midpriced system might set you back what you'd pay for a fully loaded Lexus) -- or because you just couldn't care less. But if you're in that category, you've probably stopped reading this column, anyway.


Other consumers who are still on the fence must be flummoxed by the plethora of formats and technologies. We now have digital television, high-definition TV (HDTV), front- and rear-projection TVs, plasma monitors, liquid crystal displays (LCDs), DVDs, DVD recorders, Digital VHS, Super Audio Compact Disk (SACD), DVD-Audio, Dolby 5.1 sound, DTS-ES 7.1 and on the horizon two -- yes, two -- competing high-definition DVD formats, Toshiba's red-laser HD DVD and Sony's blue-laser Blu-ray. Yikes!


Something tells me that the couch potatoes who watch TV the most didn't ask for all these choices. One middle-aged attendee who sat next to me at the HDTV panel perfectly expressed the angst of these beleaguered Everymen.


"The average Joe wants to come home, click on the remote and watch TV," he said plaintively to the panel members.


Couch Potato Joe's cri de coeur evoked much sympathy but little hope of amelioration from the panelists.


"I can't recall a time when there was so much confusion in the consumer electronics business," said Robert W. Hana, president of Runco International, which makes state-of-the-art projection systems.


"This high-definition business has opened up a can of worms. There are millions of reasons not to buy it, and it scares the hell out of me."


In this setting, Hana sounded like Diogenes carrying a taper through the dusky streets of Athens seeking an honest man. But I'll get back to him later.


One of the reasons for all the confusion is -- surprise, surprise -- the government. The Federal Communications Commission has decreed that beginning July 1 all TVs whose screens are 36" or bigger must include receivers that accept digital rather than analog signals. Congress has mandated that stations must broadcast digital signals by the end of 2006.


Digital broadcasting is critical, because its greater bandwidth allows stations to transmit high-definition programs with digital sound. (Remember: All HDTV is digital, but not all digital broadcasting is HDTV).


The big broadcast and cable networks have moved to adopt HDTV at varying paces. CBS and ABC have been leaders, while Fox has lagged: It announced last year it would begin broadcasting in HDTV during its fall 2004 season.


Meanwhile, movie studios, terrified that they might be "Napstered" as HDTV emerges, have been lobbying like there's no tomorrow.


As a result, the FCC ruled unanimously last year that vendors must install special copy-protection mechanisms (called broadcast "flags") in various consumer electronics devices to prevent routine downloading, copying and file sharing beyond "one use only."


Sure, that helps protect the studios' intellectual property, but it doesn't do much for honest consumers who legitimately want to record broadcasts and replay them for friends or family, as people have been doing for years.


Regardless of the conflicting rulings and competing formats, people are buying this stuff like mad and prices are dropping.


Wednesday's Wall Street Journal reported that prices of large screen displays might not fall so fast because of part shortages (see "I Want My Flat TV. Now!1," May 27).


But manufacturers are opening several new factories this year, and two executives I spoke with at the show last week told me they expected to see 42-inch plasma screens going for as little as $1,700-$1,800 by Christmas (they're discounted at $2499 now), while 47- to 53-inch Digital Light Processing (DLP) units could sell for $3,000. Best Buy is advertising a 50-inch Samsung DLP model for $3,499 this week.


It's clear that plasma is fading and DLP, which uses a chip made by Texas Instruments, is hot. Samsung, an early proponent, says they're flying off the shelves.


And to my eyes, a widescreen DLP monitor on display in Samsung's suite at the Hilton was stunning, its picture every bit as sharp and radiant as that of a plasma screen in the same room.


So, what should consumers do now? I approached Bob Hana of Runco after his panel (he's the one who candidly talked of "confusion") and asked him when things would really shake out. In two years? Three years? Five?


"In consumer electronics, you never wait," he told me. "You do just have to jump in."


That's what they all say, and though I asked him the question several times, he wouldn't budge.


So, here's my advice: Wait. Look around, watch the prices fall and the standards solidify, and see which formats win out. Then be prepared to buy -- in about two years.


By late 2006 it should be safe for consumer electronics fans to go back in the water again.


In the meantime, have a safe and happy holiday!


(Howard R. Gold is editor of Barron's Online. Fighting the Tape appears twice a month.)
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We now have digital television, high-definition TV (HDTV), front- and rear-projection TVs, plasma monitors, liquid crystal displays (LCDs), DVDs, DVD recorders, Digital VHS, Super Audio Compact Disk (SACD), DVD-Audio, Dolby 5.1 sound, DTS-ES 7.1 and on the horizon two -- yes, two -- competing high-definition DVD formats, Toshiba's red-laser HD DVD and Sony's blue-laser Blu-ray. Yikes!
Nothing like throwing in all the formats for a wide variety of things and then using all that to justify waiting on an HDTV. Heaven forbid SACD goes under and Blu-ray bests red laser HD-DVD and now you're stuck with that HDTV you just bought! :mad:
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It's clear that plasma is fading and DLP, which uses a chip made by Texas Instruments, is hot. Samsung, an early proponent, says they're flying off the shelves.
Huh! Where did the author get this gem of information from, Samsung? Plasma is fading, yet Plasma manufactures are increasing their infrastructure so that the increase in demand for these displays are met. I guess he doesn't read EE Times or the Plasma manufacturers press releases. I guess he is too busy reading the latest Samsung press release.


The quote above is one of the reasons that people are even more confused. You have reporters who write articles that are half fact and half conjecture. How does that help someone sort out the mountains of information? If someone was looking to learn something about this HD stuff from reading this article, that person would walk away thinking that Plasma is on its last leg and decide to stay away from Plasma b/c it's fading.


What we need is more accurate and simplified info instead of half truths and complicated info. Thanks Howard for clearing up the new age of home theater for us. :rolleyes:
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"I can't recall a time when there was so much confusion in the consumer electronics business," said Robert W. Hana, president of Runco International, which makes state-of-the-art projection systems."This high-definition business has opened up a can of worms. There are millions of reasons not to buy it, and it scares the hell out of me."
I nominate Robert Hana to the John Sie High Definition Hall of Shame. He joins John Sie, David Hill, Bob Wright, and Dick Ebersol.
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How does that help someone sort out the mountains of information?
But, the whole point of the article is that most people don't want to have to sort out mountains of information, they just want to watch TV. The author's advice is to wait and let the confusion sort itself out, and I have to agree with him.
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Congress has mandated that stations must broadcast digital signals by the end of 2006.
Why does almost every article get this wrong? It was May of 2002 that commercial stations were supposed to be broadcasting a digital signal and one year later for non commercial stations.
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Why does almost every article get this wrong? It was May of 2002 that commercial stations were supposed to be broadcasting a digital signal and one year later for non commercial stations.
They usually get it wrong by saying that stations were to be broadcasting HDTV by 2006 :)


I don't recall anything that said that all commercial stations had until May 2002 to go digital. I recall that it was to be a phased roll-out, with the largest markets due first and ending around 2006-2007 if a particular penetration target was met.


Denver was supposed to be there by 2002, but the legal issues surrounding tower construction have held it up, and will continue for many years to come. Denver won't have full-power digital broadcasts by 2006, just the rinky-dink low wattage broadcasts we have now.
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But, the whole point of the article is that most people don't want to have to sort out mountains of information, they just want to watch TV. The author's advice is to wait and let the confusion sort itself out, and I have to agree with him.
The author implied that people are confused at this moment b/c there is so much info to sort through. I agree with the author on that point. But my point was that people will continue to be confused when someone writes an article that is half truth and half conjecture (.i.e. Plasma is fading). People who are trying to learn about this stuff do not need anymore confusion b/c that will push them away as the author himself points out.


Someone will read the article and assume that b/c this guy writes about ht, the author has to be right about Plasma fading to black. Then said reader will walk into his or her local Best Buy, C.C., Wally-World or high-end ht store and here are all of these Plasmas that are supposed to be fading fast. Confusion then sets in and the reader is stuck not knowing which way to turn. Talk about creating more confusion, I think the author just accomplished this on his own. :D
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Here's an overview of the entire Home Theater scene (including HD, of course) from Barron's Online.

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It's clear that...DLP, which uses a chip made by Texas Instruments, is hot. Samsung, an early proponent, says they're flying off the shelves.


And to my eyes, a widescreen DLP monitor on display in Samsung's suite at the Hilton was stunning, its picture every bit as sharp and radiant as that of a plasma screen in the same room....
WHAT?

DLP's? Tiny whirling mirrors making rainbows?!

RPTV's? Huge flimsy boxes w/a 20-degree-angle decent viewing spread?!


I thought Barron's was an investment advisory service. Well, this guy really needs to get out more. Majorly OTL.


First, they ought to send him out to personally inspect your average BestBuy(which store he mentions) to see all the Open Box RPTV's, including many DLP's, blocking the store aisles. DLP and RPTV are dead meat, IMO.

(But you already know that...) :D

AMc
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The author implied that people are confused at this moment b/c there is so much info to sort through. I agree with the author on that point. But my point was that people will continue to be confused when someone writes an article that is half truth and half conjecture (.i.e. Plasma is fading). People who are trying to learn about this stuff do not need anymore confusion b/c that will push them away as the author himself points out.


Someone will read the article and assume that b/c this guy writes about ht, the author has to be right about Plasma fading to black. Then said reader will walk into his or her local Best Buy, C.C., Wally-World or high-end ht store and here are all of these Plasmas that are supposed to be fading fast. Confusion then sets in and the reader is stuck not knowing which way to turn. Talk about creating more confusion, I think the author just accomplished this on his own. :D
Given the mountains of confusing, misleading and just plain wrong information that is posted on these boards by those who are supposedly in the know, I think the author can be excused for a few minor errors.
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I think DLP will do very well. After seeing them I dont know why a consumer would spend six grand on PLasma when you can get an excellent picture on DLP for half the price.
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"This high-definition business has opened up a can of worms. There are millions of reasons not to buy it, and it scares the hell out of me."
Other than price---which by the way is no higher for a big HD RPTV now than a big non-HDTV RPTV was five years ago, and everybody I know had one of those back then--can someone name ANY of these "millions" of reasons not to buy one?
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I think DLP will do very well. After seeing them I dont know why a consumer would spend six grand on PLasma when you can get an excellent picture on DLP for half the price.
Well, then hang out in the AVS plasma/LCD forum and you might learn something.:)
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Given the mountains of confusing, misleading and just plain wrong information that is posted on these boards by those who are supposedly in the know, I think the author can be excused for a few minor errors.
With all due respect, I don't agree. In my humble experience with AVS, technical screw-ups on AVS posts get instantly corrected by some-or-another 2K-post guru. So, I can read and learn.


OTOH, let me know of such an error-correction parallel w/Barron's. Letter-to-the-editor two weeks later? Chat group? "Corrections" column? No? Didn't think so....

FWIW,

AMc
Hey macree!


I added LCD to my post just for you!


Seeing your post reminded me of the error....


Later mac..
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I don't recall anything that said that all commercial stations had until May 2002 to go digital. I recall that it was to be a phased roll-out, with the largest markets due first and ending around 2006-2007 if a particular penetration target was met.
The AVS Forum HDTV FAQ has an accurate description of the digital roll out schedule. I have pasted it below:


"The FCC's plan for DTV implementation commenced in November 1998 with 26 "pioneer" DTV stations. 40 network DTV stations were supposed to be on air by May 1999, with all remaining commercial and non-commercial stations by May 2003. At this writing (03/04) there are about 1200 DTV stations broadcasting, depending on whether you read the NAB or FCC lists.


The scheduled date for analog TV to “go dark” is January 1, 2007 – but 85% of TV homes must have access to digital TV before that can happen. Digital cable and satellite TV services already reach a large part of the population, so it remains to be seen when and how the FCC considers the 85% threshold to have been reached.


Some industry experts think the digital TV deadline might be pushed as far back as 2015! However, the FCC indicated in March 2004 that they might count digital cable TV signal penetration to speed up the transition and stay on the original 1/1/07 schedule."
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With all due respect, I don't agree. In my humble experience with AVS, technical screw-ups on AVS posts get instantly corrected by some-or-another 2K-post guru. So, I can read and learn.


OTOH, let me know of such an error-correction parallel w/Barron's. Letter-to-the-editor two weeks later? Chat group? "Corrections" column? No? Didn't think so....

FWIW,

AMc
The fact that the correct information eventually gets posted doesn't minimize the confusion, in fact, it increases it. An HDTV neophyte, unable to determine who's right and who's wrong, will be further confused by the contradicting opinions. The number of posts a person has is a poor gauge of the accuracy of their information.
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The AVS Forum HDTV FAQ has an accurate description of the digital roll out schedule. I have pasted it below:


"...Some industry experts think the digital TV deadline might be pushed as far back as 2015!..."
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Germany recently give analog a couple-months lead time to go all-digital, and then just pulled the switch on all their lazy, venal, analog laggards?

Hey, why screw around over here? (Answer, Network big-bucks lobbyists--So what else is new?).

AMc
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I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Germany recently give analog a couple-months lead time to go all-digital, and then just pulled the switch on all their lazy, venal, analog laggards?

Hey, why screw around over here? (Answer, Network big-bucks lobbyists--So what else is new?).

AMc
I think the politicians are more afraid of angry analog voters than networks and lobbyists.
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I nominate Robert Hana to the John Sie High Definition Hall of Shame. He joins John Sie, David Hill, Bob Wright, and Dick Ebersol.
That was his business concern but he went on to say in the passage below:

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So, what should consumers do now? I approached Bob Hana of Runco after his panel (he's the one who candidly talked of "confusion") and asked him when things would really shake out. In two years? Three years? Five?


"In consumer electronics, you never wait," he told me. "You do just have to jump in."


That's what they all say, and though I asked him the question several times, he wouldn't budge.
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