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I was wondering how hard it would be to put together some numbers on HDTV set and HDTV tuner numbers among AVS Forum members. Rather than having everyone and his brother echo a posting with yea or nea posts, would it be possible to modify the Ultimate BBS data on user profiles to include some extra records?


(1) # HDTV-capable TVs

(2) # of HDTV tuners

(3) OTA/cable and (4) DBS


Or something to that effect. Then there could be a special section where you could query the database and come up with some useful numbers.


The reason I bring this up is that WGBH, the PBS affiliate here in Boston, is finally beginning testing of their DTV station. They are polling members (theirs, not AVS's) that had indicated to them at some time their interest in digital television. Several of us AVS Forum members have received queries from them asking if we wish to participate in an interactive DTV study. In the e-mail, they indicate that they believe there are no more than 1000 HDTV viewers in the greater Boston market.


Now, I don't know where they get their data, nor how up to date it is. But I'm sure that we should do all we can to inform them (and other broadcasters across the US) how many HDTV viewers are actually out here.


Ken H, as moderator do you have any idea if this can be done with the bbs software?


Just how many people have posted to the Boston TV tower thread? 30? 50? Any statisticians out there that could extrapolate that into total market numbers?


It's just a crying shame that CBS could be broadcasting virtually its entire primetime lineup in HD, plus college football and major sporting events, plus we have HBOHD, ShowtimeHD, ABC, NBC, Fox, UPN, etc. and yet a DirecTV customer retention specialist confuses HDTV with Home and Garden TV? If Microsoft can spend over $200M promoting its upcoming WindowsXP release, can't the CE manufacturers spend a couple million on HD awareness adds?


Just my 2 bits worth...


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Jon Gauthier

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Ranold, this is EXACTLY what I'm trying to prevent!


Who wants to go through a thread of 250 messages and add up the numbers? What do we have computer databases for? I realize that AVS Forum won't be the end-all/be-all gospel for HDTV ownership, but at least we could brain-storm for some ideas, and hopefully we could come up with something useful.
 

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we'll you'll have to contact the avs forum administrator to see if he could update the cgi-bin scripting of the member profile page. it wouldn't take very long, they could use perl to edit the form inputs of it and add 3 or 4 new fields to it. when the page is updated with the new field, its just a matter of the member users updating their profile and submitting the form. the database maanager could easily write a script that sums or counts the totals in each field.

very simple.
 

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Originally posted by jonlgauthier:
I was wondering how hard it would be to put together some numbers on HDTV set and HDTV tuner numbers among AVS Forum members. Rather than having everyone and his brother echo a posting with yea or nea posts, would it be possible to modify the Ultimate BBS data on user profiles to include some extra records?


(1) # HDTV-capable TVs

(2) # of HDTV tuners

(3) OTA/cable and (4) DBS


Or something to that effect. Then there could be a special section where you could query the database and come up with some useful numbers.


The reason I bring this up is that WGBH, the PBS affiliate here in Boston, is finally beginning testing of their DTV station. They are polling members (theirs, not AVS's) that had indicated to them at some time their interest in digital television. Several of us AVS Forum members have received queries from them asking if we wish to participate in an interactive DTV study. In the e-mail, they indicate that they believe there are no more than 1000 HDTV viewers in the greater Boston market.


Now, I don't know where they get their data, nor how up to date it is. But I'm sure that we should do all we can to inform them (and other broadcasters across the US) how many HDTV viewers are actually out here.


Ken H, as moderator do you have any idea if this can be done with the bbs software?


Just how many people have posted to the Boston TV tower thread? 30? 50? Any statisticians out there that could extrapolate that into total market numbers?


It's just a crying shame that CBS could be broadcasting virtually its entire primetime lineup in HD, plus college football and major sporting events, plus we have HBOHD, ShowtimeHD, ABC, NBC, Fox, UPN, etc. and yet a DirecTV customer retention specialist confuses HDTV with Home and Garden TV? If Microsoft can spend over $200M promoting its upcoming WindowsXP release, can't the CE manufacturers spend a couple million on HD awareness adds?


Just my 2 bits worth...

Good post! I already sent in my e-mail request to WGBH to be notified of any upcoming SD/HD tests on 19-1. At this point, that is about all we can do to let them know we have the necessary electronics to receive them.


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The estimate of 1,000 homes in the Boston DMA with access to HDTV is probably roughly right. A few months ago I researched CEA figures, etc. and came up with around 50,000 homes with HDTV in the U.S. Assuming an equal distribution by state, Massachusetts would have a 1,000.


This is the nut of the problem we have. Although here on the AVS Forum understand all of the benefits of HDTV, the public in general has no idea.


Having thought about this a lot, I have concluded that adoption of HDTV will speed up only when there is more programming available. It's great that we're moving in that direction with HDNet and CBS/Dish SEC football, but we have a long way to go.


This hobby is expensive, and, believe it or not, I don't think the average TV viewer out there is all that unhappy with their 32" set viewing NTSC.


It's only when they can see something better at a friends house, etc. and the prices come down, that this will be more broadly accepted.


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Doug,


I can't see how you can assume an even distribution of HDTV's across the 50 states. My home state of Louisiana has as many HDTV owners as a high tech center as Massachusetts? I find that kind of hard to believe. And you said you did this excercise several months ago? When I bought my HDTV settop box in April, I was on a waiting list at Tweeter of about 80 people. What about since then? And all the Circuit City's, Sears, Best Buys, and internet purchases?


There's got to be some way we can come up with rational numbers, not just pull something out of a hat. I was hoping we could stimulate a serious discussion here and produce some evidence that market penetration is finally above the noise and is something to be taken seriously...


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Jon


I don't think AVS forum members would be a representative sample of the public at large. HD-capable TV set penetration of forum members is huge compared to the public at large.


Doug: 50,000 homes? If that for homes with HD-capable displays, that sounds low.


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Hey Boston, So. Fla. (bra)


So Cali baby... 3 years of HDTV next month.


Best of luck,


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