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Help an Army soldier out..... advice needed please

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Hey guys, new to this forum and just trying to learn and get some good advice. Did some looking and lurking and there is quite alot of info but hard to navigate.


I am a US Army Soldier stationed overseas in Korea and just got a nice bonus, but don't have an unlimited budget. I am looking to get a great deal and an even greater theater setup in this small peice of barracks I call home.


I just bought a brand new KDL-40S2000 Bravia 40" LCD. It is a wonderful display, especially with my PC hooked up to it via DVI-HDMI monster cable. I am working on getting it to display a true 1366x768 picture, but that is another story alltogether.


I purchased at the local PX a Sony 6.1 surround system. It was decent, but not loud enough. It was a 770 watt total system. I ended up trading it for a new XBOX 360, wireless controller, and 4 games. I paid $300 for the surround sound system, so I got the better end of the deal by far. :)


I am looking to get a really kickin' system to complement my TV. I could possibly spend MAX under $1000 for everything, but really want to spend as little as possible and get the greatest sounding system for the money. But I am sure thats what everybody says right before they find out they have to double their budget :p


Anyway, I was about to purchase Onkyo's 7.1 S780 system, all of the CNET reviews seemed good, but then I read here that it was only "OK" by all of the audiophiles that seem to really know their stuff. Also, I doubt I could have it shipped, as the max shipping wieght is only 70 pounds, and the box wieghed over a hundred. All of the posts I read regarding the ONKYO system pretty much recommended component was the way to go to get the best, loudest sound, and that is what I am looking for. Plus, I can have everything shipped individually just fine.


So I guess the component thing is pretty straightforward . Buy a reciever, sub, and speakers. My father has a extremely high quality 15000w all-McIntosh system and I know a little bit about how it all should go together, just am not to familiar with all of the current products out on the market.


What I am looking for, as I stated above, is high quality, low price. I know, as somebody posted before, the saying goes "Buy Cheap, Buy Twice", and this will be my second time buying, so plan to do it right.


With my reciever I hope for AT LEAST 120w per channel, and if possible I would like a dvd/cd disc changer. HDMI video switching would be nice, but not high priority, as I only have one HDMI video plug going to my TV along with one set of components for the XBOX. I could always get a universal remote to switch it for me. THX is not required, and I assume can not be had for my budget. Basically I want just the best deal on a damn good receiever. Would eBay be a good bet, or am I better off with an online site like outpost or somewhere else?


Also, with regards to speakers, please recommend a good set just so I can have a start and know where to head. Keep in mind I have a tiny room, it is literally the size of a BIG walk-in closet. I still want loud as can be, just stating this for reference. Mounting ths speakers on the wall is planned, so size isn't an issue, and I may even consider getting a pair of nice sized bookshelfs, depending on what is recommended. I have a killer shelf setup I put toegether in a void between my bed in the wall, with these great customizable shelves, so speaker placement isn't an issue.


Anyway, like the title says, please kindly help me out with any advice you can give. Head me in the right direction, and before long you'll hear posts from me raving over my new systems that the kind gurus at AVS helped me put together.


I can't tell you how much I appreciate it, thank you very much.


PV2 WITT
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Welcome to the forum...and thank you for your service. :)


Since space is at a premium IMO there really is no need to go overboard with your setup. If you find the perfect speaker system and it doesn't fit what good is it? Speakers need to breathe, even tiny ones. So I would suggest for now going with a micro/mini system such as the Athena Micra 6 system. You want something to expand the sound experience commensurate with your 40" LCD. But you likely would not want everything stuffed into a cramped space where decent SQ results would be tricky. Remember...it's not about the watts...it's more about the SQ for the budget.


As to receiver you be hard pressed to do better than the Pioneer 1015. Some will say grab a Panny XR Digital for less and that would also make a great deal of sense and be easier on the budget. Don't know about supply though. And a decent standalone speaker system and separate receiver will tap your budget fairly hard.


Lastly, if you are still considering it, have the Onk system delivered home and then reboxed into multiples and shipped out to you. That makes a lot of sense for your current suituation and the SQ will still be appreciable. Not as good as the other way but perfectly suited to a small space.
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Welcome to the forum. It's always nice to hear from servicemen and women - thank you for your service to our country. ClarkeBar's suggestions of the Athena's is a good one. I would add the Paradigm cinema series to the list. In a small space, you will likely get a large impact from even a modest system. The Pioneer 1015 is a great receiver for the money - I'm sure there are others, but the 1015 seems to be very popular at this price point. Enjoy the 360 on the Bravia - that's an awesome tv!!!
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Hi soldier,


I am kind a new also to this HT audio/video stuff but as an ex serviceman I will try to help you the best I can. I was in the Navy for almost 10 yrs and got out honorably about 13 years ago. Are you station on Camp Hilalea in Pusan, Korea?

I know there is a PX store there but not as big as in Yokosuka naval base in Japan where I use to be stationed at. If you can take a MAC flight, in Yokosuka fleet exchange they have a showrooms for their audio video system that you can audition. That is what everybody in this forum will tell you that they will give you some good brand of receivers or speakers and it is best for you to listen for yourself and see what you like. Also you can look on AAFES catalog and see if they have a good deal on receivers and spekaers. I think AAFES has a website (Active & retired only) now that you can order those items. And I think they have good receivers such as Pioneer, Yamaha, Onkyo and Marantz. At the fleet exchange in Japan, they might have some bookshelf speakers such as Polk Audio, Klipsch and for sure Bose (get away from that if you can). I doubt it if they have B & W, Paradigm or Energy speakers there.

I recommend that you read thru on some post on this forum for a week or so and educate yourself on this enjoyable hobby. This forum really help me a lot. Good luck and thanks for serving and defending our great country. Hand salute.
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Well, I have done the research on subs, and have picked out an SVS 25-31 PCI Sub (there smallest for $549). That should certainly rock my world. In fact, I was thinking about going with an all SVS surround system, although there speakers are a little big. I emailed them for a quote to include shipping. After a little research, as I said above, my budget has increased. What I plan to do is buy the Pioneer 1015 receiever (which is INCREDIBLE by the way!) now and slowly upgrade. They do have a nice selection of BOSE here at the PX, but from what I hear they are overrated. Should I go with an SVS sub and Bose speakers, or would that be a waste? I know bose is good, but HOW good are they?
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Well, I have done the research on subs, and have picked out an SVS 25-31 PCI Sub (there smallest for $549). That should certainly rock my world. In fact, I was thinking about going with an all SVS surround system, although there speakers are a little big. I emailed them for a quote to include shipping. After a little research, as I said above, my budget has increased. What I plan to do is buy the Pioneer 1015 receiever (which is INCREDIBLE by the way!) now and slowly upgrade. They do have a nice selection of BOSE here at the PX, but from what I hear they are overrated. Should I go with an SVS sub and Bose speakers, or would that be a waste? I know bose is good, but HOW good are they?
Actually, Bose is pretty awful, especially for the money. The SVS system will knock the pants of the Bose system. For smaller speakers, SVS, Athena, Paradigm, etc. will sound MUCH better and cost less too! I won't get into a long-winded rant about Bose, but suffice to say Bose is a marketing company, not a speaker company. Their stuff looks nice and sound ok, but costs about 10 times too much for what you get. My mom has a Bose lifestyle system in her kitchen for years. A few years ago, I bought her a marantz receiver ($600 bucks) and a pair of Paradigm Titans ($250). It took about 5 seconds of listening for her to realize how bad the Bose was (and it costs considerably more than the marantz / Paradigm setup!)
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Well, I have done the research on subs, and have picked out an SVS 25-31 PCI Sub (there smallest for $549). That should certainly rock my world.
They also have smaller/cheaper box-type subs, such as the PB10–ISD. Since you have a very small space, it shouldn't be a problem for this smaller sub to rock your world, too. Also, do you have to be concerned about your neighbors?


another thing about a box sub is that you can stack some things on top of it if space is limited, whereas the cylinder subs you can't really do that.

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-isd.cfm
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Hey MrDoug1


Thank you for your service... from a fellow vet (69-73).


You are absolutely on the right track... the Pioneer is a proven bang-for-the-buck receiver... likewise for the SVS subs.


As mentioned above, the box-style SVS PB10–ISD is less expensive, and will easily service your small room... I've got the 25-31 PCI, and it's way more than enough for my 14x14x9 room.


I've not heard the SVS satellites, but on sheer reputation, my experience with the 25-31, and their return policy -- they're likely a good bet.


Since you're looking online, reputable satellite speakers can be found at http://www.**********/ and http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/ ... lots of size and price options at CSW... have not dealt with AV123, but have considerable experience with CSW -- very legitimate speakers for the money... neutral sound (that's a good thing), and they typically sport specs that make for easy driving by nearly any receiver.


Yes, avoid Bose.


If you're new to buying speakers -- and you find yourself tempted by what may be a limited selection at a military base (do they still offer deep discounts?) -- this general advice: avoid speakers made by electronics manufacturers (Sony, Pioneer, Yamaha etc) and stick with dedicated manufacturers (Polk, NHT, B&W).


Happy hunting.
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From what I remember hearing, SVS Subs has given military discounts in the past. You might see what it cost to get their entry level sub, but of course the shipping would be a bit for the weight of the unit.


Panasonic Receivers might be good for the price range and power you are looking for.


I would say try to buy locally if you can just because of the shipping cost.


Here are the speaker systems that might fit your budget that get some good reviews.

http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/pr...eater%20System


I think the Hsu sub and small speaker set also appears to be a good lower cost solution.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/
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Hey guys, a little update!!!


I purchased the Pioneer reciever online today. I got it for $379 plus shipping.


I am also very fond of this review of some Klipsch speakers:


Klipsch Quintet III


I tried to post the review but cant until I have more posts. Cnet gave them a rating of 7.7 I believe and an editors pick. Check 'em out!


what do you guys think?

They are small, affordable, and have rave reviews. Supposedly they kick some butt.


Those paired with the SVS sub and maybe two SVS or other brand small bookshelfs and I think I will be rockin' and rollin'.


This actually makes my budget too, kind of. :)


I REALLY appreciate all of the advice, I am taking every bit of it!
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I have emailed SVS and let them know of my situation, perhaps they will set me up a discount. The thing is, there satellites are pretty big. I am hoping those Klipsch's are good speakers, they seem promising, but I want to wait to purchase until I get your guys' opinons.


The prices at the PX and Korean economy too, are a big rip off. only good thing is tax free. For example I paid $2700 for my 40 inch Bravia, where I could have gotten it on ebay for almost under 2 grand. Oh well.


I think I will stay away from Bose, and go with what you guys reccommend. I cant tell me how much I appreciate all of this advice. Without it I would have an expensive as all get out Bose system coupled with a crappy kenwood reciever. HA! Screw the PX! :-D
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Hey guys, a little update!!!


I purchased the Pioneer reciever online today. I got it for $379 plus shipping.


I am also very fond of this review of some Klipsch speakers:


Klipsch Quintet III


I tried to post the review but cant until I have more posts. Cnet gave them a rating of 7.7 I believe and an editors pick. Check 'em out!
Well I know Vanns.com and Onecall.com has the verision II for a good price. I have the original version I and I like them. I think the are pretty efficient and can play loud, especially if the room isn't that big. The only thing is you need a sub to fill in the bottom end, and the sub needs to match resonably well with the frequency transition between the low range of the speakers and the upper range of the sub.
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Congrats on the receiver - it sounds like you are well on your way to a great system! I haven't heard the new Klipsch Quintets, but I heard the first version many years ago and was impressed. I haven't hear the speakers from **********, but I own and love their Perpetual Technologies digital products and consider them to be some of the best values in hi-fi. Please keep us updated!
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What keepinitcool said... those Klipsch don't go below 100Hz... any SVS sub should be okay, but don't hesitate to ask their responsive service dept.


You can only go so small before you start suffering performance problems, it's physics... I'd feel more comfortable with the SVS's specially tweaked for their subs if I was otherwise unable to audition.


Strictly my opinion, but the Klipsch line strikes me as a little harsh and forward... but I've not heard the Quintet III, and too many people like their Klipsch speakers for me to argue against... however, whenever someone asks me for small, I point them to the previously mentioned CSW... or Gallo for their spherical speakers... http://www.roundsound.com/satellite-speakers.htm ... they sound genuinely good, but they are strictly for small rooms... relatively easy to drive... the same caution applies as with the Klipsch, the spheres don't (can't) go very low, 100 Hz or so... I think the Nucleus Micro cost $150 each... they have mounting brackets and stands... BUT -- avoid Gallo subs.
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I am now split, I don't know whether to get the Klipsch or HSU Ventriloquist speaker package. They both have awesome reviews, and the HSU is cheaper and smaller, and in addition has the cool vetriloquist mode. What do you guys think? Should I take it to the speaker forum or could you make a reccommendation? I am definitely going to pair it with the SVS sub, so what would sound best?


Thanks for ALL your help.


- Doug Witt
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Doug,


I would get the Hsu package only if I was bundling one of the Hsu subs with it. Since you are going with SVS I would go for the Klipsch Quintet III. I have a feeling you will like the horn sound. Pick the best crossover point on the 1015 by experimenting. Don't assume by the Klipsch specs you can just set it and go as your small space will have an effect on your setup.


Much Good Luck.
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You could alway go with the PB-10 SVS and 5 of the Ascend Acoustic HTM-200's. Good price, great system.
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MrDoug - Thank you, also, for serving all of us by being in the Army! We appreciate it very much!


I am a huge fan of Klipsch speakers, so I'm a little biased (I own 15 of them). The Quintets are good little speakers. I bought a set of the first model for my Dad, and they were great in their TV room, about 12x12. As mentioned, you'll want a nice sub (I also have an SVS 20-39 and it's been great.)


If you can stretch your budget a bit, you might want to check out their B2/C1/S1 combination. I think it can be had for about $200 more than the Quintet setup, in total. (I wouldn't get the package that includes the sub, though.) For the extra money, you'll get speakers that will handle a larger space better (if needed) and do a better job on music than the Quintets.


Might also check the Klipsch Cinema series (6, 8, or 10). Not sure what the pricing is like on those.


I know you'll like either, though, whichever way you go.
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The suggestion to get the matched Hsu package (or matched SVS pkg) is a good one... Hsu subs are every bit the great value SVS are.


But since you're stalled on the speakers, a couple questions... what makes are available locally that you might be able to audition?... and what are your listening preferences (% music vs % movies)?


You might search locally for sats from such reputable mfrs such as NHT, Polk, Canton... they seem to have fairly wide distribution... it's really worthwhile to do some preliminary auditioning – particularly for speakers – if possible.
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I have virtually NO local choices, and what I do have is all Korean stuff, which I am sure isn't as high quality or as cheap as what I am looking at on the net. Surprisingly, everything over here is really expensive!! And shipping is cheap, the military pays for the cost from cali to here, the MFGR pays for costs to cali.


I am still split between Klipsch's and the HSU's. HSUs are cheaper and small. I am going 7.1 surround, and most movies I watch will be THX to take advantage of the THX reciever. I will go 7.1 by means of a pair of really good bookshelfs. These will hopefully help the system get LOUD. I listen to more music than movies, about 80% to 20% (music is always on when Im in the room.) I plan on buying a pair of Polk Monitor 40 bookshelf speakers to go along with either the klipsch or HSU, what do you guys think? Which center channel would sound best with these, the HSU or Klipsch? Along with the SVS sub I think I should be set, right?


Let me know, thanks!! :)


- Doug
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