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Help! Building Home need Distributed Audio

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Hello. My first post to this amazing forum.


I am in the process of building a home and I am struggling with distributed audio.

Our builder works with two contractors and I need to pick between them. Of course, both have built similar systems with completely differnet products.


Not sure if we want to play different sources in different zones or not.


This is where you come in. What is the best way to facilitate distributed audio to a

setup like this?


Zones

Zone 1: Dining Room - 2 speakers, Keypad

Zone 2: Great Room - 2 speakers, Keypad

Zone 3: Lower Level - 2 speakers, keypad

Zone 4: Outdoor porch - 2 speakers, keypad


Sources

1. Laptop Computer

2. CD/DVD changer

3. XM Radio

4. Ipod (maybe ?)


Are these setups any good ?

What should I be using ?

Both these quotes are in the $3500+ range.


Setup 1:

Speakercraft MZC-64 Four Zone/Six Source Audio Video Controller Amplifier

Zone 1,3

2 Pair: Speakercraft - In Ceiling Speakers CRS One

2 Audio - Speakercraft MKP-1.1 Keypad

Zone 2

1 Pair: Canton CD 10 Mini Speaker (Aluminum/Silver)

1 Audio - Speakercraft MKP-1.1 Keypad

Zone 4

1 Pair: Jamo IO 1A2 Outdoor Mounted Speakers

1 Audio - Speakercraft MKP-1.1 Keypad



Setup 2 assumes a living room home theater. The Denon AVR-2307 Surround Sound Receiver with Zone 2 output would process the sound for the all the zones.

Setup 2:

2 B&W CCM626 In-Ceiling Speakers (Dining Room)

1 Sonance Sonance In-wall Slider Type Volume Control (Dining Room)

2 B&W CWM6260 In-wall Speakers (2 story Family Room)

1 Sonance Sonance In-wall Slider Type Volume Control (Family Room)

2 B&W All Weather Surface Mount Speakers (white or black)

1 Sonance Sonance In-wall Slider Type Volume Control

4 B&W CCM626 In-Ceiling Speakers (Lower Level)

1 Sonance Sonance In-wall Slider Type Volume Control (lower level)

1 Sonance Sonance SS-6 6 Position Speaker Selector Impedence Matching
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Check out the Russound CAM6.6 and CAV6.6. Do a search in the Home A/V Distribution & Networking forum (one up from this forum) and you will find a lot of hits. I have the CAV with AudioSource 8" in-ceiling speakers. I paid less than your quote for the total solution (installed it myself).


Depending on what your intended use is (background music VS rock'n the joint) will be a big factor on determine the power and speaker requirements. The AudioSource speakers have been great for background music up to the volume you can't carry on a conversation without yelling.


The CAV and CAM are also 6 source/6 zone, giving you 2 extra zones for expandability.


Tom
Thanks for the reply.


How much less did you pay ?


How would you compare your audiosource with the b&w or speakercraft?
Also look into the Nuvo Essentia or Concerto. The Essentia and Concerto have recently reached their maturity as Nuvo has released the Grand Concerto, so you can pick them up fairly inexpensively (around $1200 to $1500). The Concerto offers twice the power per channel than the Russound, has nicer keypads (IMHO) and has 8 zones (two unpowered) versus the Russound's six. Both the Russound and Nuvo lines are excellent, though, so you won't go wrong with either. I too have the Audiosource in Ceiling Speakers in my family room and Master Bath and Sonance in-walls in all other rooms, and for normal ambient listening I can't tell a real difference in sound quality.


Also, according to your listed sources, there might be another reason to consider Nuvo/Russound. Ask your dealer how you will control each of your sources (XM, Ipod, CD-Player) and get positive feedback as to what you are playing. To my knowledge, the solutions you outlined are basically shoot in the dark control. You'll have to use a programmable remote in each room (is that cost covered) or use keypads that have no integrated feedback as to what you are doing (like what track/artist is playing). Try to envision perusing your 10,000 mp3 library from your laptop from a blind keypad or remote.


Both Nuvo and Russound offer direct hardware integration of Ipods and XM tuners that display Metadata on the keypad so that you know what you are playing. Nuvo and Russound also have ready to use drivers for many automation systems (CQC, MainLobby, HomeSeer) if you ever want to evolve to that level of control.


To give you an example, I use a Nuvo Concerto for my audio distribution, coupled with a Nuvo T2 dual tuner (AM/FM and XM) and an old PIII PC that runs an instance of CQC Server on it. I have keypads in most zones (none in the Master Bath or on the Deck). I have some inexpensive 15" Planar touchscreens in strategic locations around the house talking via Cat5 extenders back to the same PC. So, using Kiosk style interface, I can browse my 18,000 mp3s via coverart, sort by Artist or Album, select and play. From the keypads, I can scroll through tracks and the display updates with current artist-track playing. On the AM/FM and XM side, the keypad displays the current song/artist/radio station (If the station transmits RDS). It's pretty slick and easy to use.


Bottom line, don't limit yourself upfront. Select a system that you can expand upon if it is a house you plan on spending some time in. To save money, talk to your installer about just running the cable to where you can install your own equipment. Or if you are uncomfortable with installing/configuring your own, still have them install the cable and use a custom AV integrator later on that will listen to your wants and needs and tailor a system to your desires. Just don't get pigeon holed into a system because that's the only thing your installer offers.
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I second what tmnjus said already and the russound prodcuts. I would for sure go with the CAV over the CAM just simply based on the video distribution aspect and aswell you can add 4 subzones (Abus) which is nice. I have used the CAV in my home for a year now and can't say enough about it. Great products. I installed russound SP-A6c in my home too. They sounds good for background music etc but I ma having issues with one of them on my back screened in porch. Otherwise I would say good
robertmee,

What model(s) of AudioSource and Sonance speakers have you tried? I'm asking just in case there's a lot of difference between the contractor grade, mid-grade, and Luxo-grade versions of a given company's speakers.


How do you link your Planar touchscreens to your CQC server? Are you just running a long serial cable over the cat5? Are you using XPUnlimited or something, to get multiple desktops on one PC?


Thanks for any input you can provide. And, if you have other input, or input about other speakers, that would be cool, too.

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robertmee,

What model(s) of AudioSource and Sonance speakers have you tried? I'm asking just in case there's a lot of difference between the contractor grade, mid-grade, and Luxo-grade versions of a given company's speakers.


How do you link your Planar touchscreens to your CQC server? Are you just running a long serial cable over the cat5? Are you using XPUnlimited or something, to get multiple desktops on one PC?


Thanks for any input you can provide. And, if you have other input, or input about other speakers, that would be cool, too.

AudioSource http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-IC.../dp/B00005OP36


Sonance. The In-walls I use are no longer, but their equivalent is the C101s.


I have the Planars connected back to a PC that's running CQC Server via Cybex Cat5 extenders. Planars use ELO touchscreens and the ELO touchscreen driver allows for 4 monitors to talk concurrently. I am limited to each Planar seeing the same thing but for a household of 4 (one infant) that's no big deal. The PC that these are connected to is an old PIII that's running CQC server and Interface Viewer, not to be confused with the CQC Master Server which is running on my HTPC in the theater. That's the beauty of CQC in that it allows you to use PCs of various grades in locations that are convenient to your wiring and needs.

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Originally Posted by robertmee /forum/post/0


AudioSource http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-IC.../dp/B00005OP36


Sonance. The In-walls I use are no longer, but their equivalent is the C101s.


I have the Planars connected back to a PC that's running CQC Server via Cybex Cat5 extenders. Planars use ELO touchscreens and the ELO touchscreen driver allows for 4 monitors to talk concurrently. I am limited to each Planar seeing the same thing but for a household of 4 (one infant) that's no big deal. The PC that these are connected to is an old PIII that's running CQC server and Interface Viewer, not to be confused with the CQC Master Server which is running on my HTPC in the theater. That's the beauty of CQC in that it allows you to use PCs of various grades in locations that are convenient to your wiring and needs.

robertmee,

Thank you for the speaker info.


Very nice. Four connections to an older machine to run the interface on the ELOs. Do you have a four>one splitter to connect four serial cables into the serial port on the PIII interface viewer? If not, how do you connect the screens back to the PC, please?

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Originally Posted by rayvenn /forum/post/0


robertmee,

Thank you for the speaker info.


Very nice. Four connections to an older machine to run the interface on the ELOs. Do you have a four>one splitter to connect four serial cables into the serial port on the PIII interface viewer? If not, how do you connect the screens back to the PC, please?

A Moxa PCI 8 Port Serial Card....Around $30 to $40 on ebay
I doubt that the builder would want to change the people he uses and I doubt that the people he is using will want to change the brands that they have. In that case, I would go with the first vendor due mainly to the inwall keypads. It is a large step up in functionality from the simple volume controls that the second vendor is offering.


CJ

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Originally Posted by robertmee /forum/post/0


A Moxa PCI 8 Port Serial Card....Around $30 to $40 on ebay

Anyone get this card to install on a Vista system. Although there are drivers, I can't seem to get them to install properly.


Thanks,

T.Wells
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