niknik,
First of, let me say I'm sorry for seeming to ignore your PM. I had just responded to a thread I thought was yours before I sent your PM'd reply.
This effort should correct that, however.
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Originally Posted by niknik
The more I read on this the more confused I get. 
Well, we're off to a good start, aren't we now?
Ok I'm not looking for the 'perfect screen' -I'm just looking for 2 of the best diy-paint screen solutions out there. - I want a good solution and keep it at least for a few years -I might as well start out with some help from reading all the incredible info I can find in here.
I spoke too soon! Two of the best "Painted on a Board" DIY solutions? Gee! So many to choose from! Where do I start?
Anyway I have decided to go for a 'double screen'. I want to paint a mdf board on both sides with different paint. I will have the chance to test/use these two screens then, in full size -and maybe use one i brighter light situations. And the other in more subdued lighting. Anyway it will be nice to have the chance to choose one of the two as my preference in the envoirement I will use it in most af the time. I'm not looking for 2 VERY different solutions. Just 2 good ones -with one having maybe slightly more gain-value than the other.
Ok. Straight up. There is no "Magic Bullet" DIY screen paint, or combo of paint/applications that will give you "Bright Light" or even high "Ambient Light" performance without an accompanying 'higher than normal" lumen output. Lack of CR can be accomodated for through screen tint and other factors, but since screens are essentially "Passive", and the effects they do produce (or the images they do alter) are wholly dependent on what they can do with what light output is available to them "at the screen's surface". The more lumens you have to work with, the better. It's no stretch to realizes thats why presentation PJs are primarily LCDs, with 2500 lumens+, and whose CRs are usually boosted by that excess of lumens hitting a 'HCCV' type Grey/Silver screen.
Of course that does not mean that some, or even a great deal of improvement cannot be accopmlished as far as "true Ambient light" viewing ability is concerned.
But what is "true Ambient light" ?
In my reasoning, it's a room with Can lights, or perimeter lights (lamps) on low, or window shades or curtains drawn. It is most assuredly NOT sunbeams streaming across the room, or falling directly on the screen. Nor is it a Lamp or Can light whose cone of light influence washes directly on the screen.
I originally decided for goo digital grey top/basecoat as being on one side. I think I'll still go with that. I don't know if the gain I'll get here is enough for my taste. But I want to try out a grey screen and goo does seem to have some satisfied customers.
Yes it does, but it also comes with a price that will make you consider if you could have done better, or even "as good" for much leass. It is not really a DIY application, excxepting the part where you apply it yourself. It's a "Product", and inasmuch since there IS a profit motive in the marketing of the same, you cannot expect to realize the distinct and pleasurable advantage of being able to say; "Wow, I did this, with regularly available paint for under half of what I thought it would cost!"
And........, most importantly, in your location, being somewhat removed from the American Continent, your costs will be even higher. I really think you can do as well in many cases, and decidely better in others if you are willing to consider a work ethic that is no real decernable increase in effort than a multi layer Mfg Paint application like Goo itself requires.
I have been reading just a little on mmud. And if I understand correctly I would be able to get gain relative to the basecoat you would use? This would maybe be a good solution for the other side of the board? As I live in Denmark I don't know where to get the paint for it. We don't have Home Depot here -and the Behr paint I don't know where to buy. On their website nothing is mentioned about international resellers?
No, but don't let that stop you. I reqularly obtain and ship the necessary ingrediants for any MMud mix I advocate, and do so "at cost only" to accomodate those who do not have access to HD-Behr paints, so as to provide willing victims the means to more accurately acheive the results they see posted, and/or read as discribed. Since the only real compitition as far as a Screen paint that MMud has, IMO, are the Goo products, and they cost a bundle, +Shipping to any location, I have yet to run into a situation or location anywhere on the Planet that the same end results could not be had or exceeded for 1/2 or less the total costs assimulated by going "Goo".
I have also looked on a 'Liquiscreen' solution. But I can't seem to find much info on that... It does seem to be well reviewed the places I saw it mentioned....
..yes, in the few places that it has been mentioned, it seems to be considered a "doable & acceptable" option, but it's also on the order of twice or more the expense of even Goo, and all it really is is a Paint that can also be duplicated closely enough to make all that extra expense horribly redundant.
Any recommendations will be appreciated very much
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Well, so far all this seems to have been is dissertation on what NOT to spend too much money on. Doing a "Goo anything" will deliver results you can most assuredly be happy with, make no mistake. Oh, you might have to forgo that Holiday to Belize this season, but being cooped up in the house in Winter is a national pastime in the Nordic countries anyway. It won't be so bad if your busy watching a Movie first on one side of your dual screen, than flipping it over to re-watch it again. More on "Flippin' " later when your actually making the screen. You'll need a Trim design that will both allow you to handle the screen repeatedly without smudgin' the finish, but allow the "not watched rear side" to stand off the wall so as not to get marred.
So here's my recommendation, in a abbreviated form. (...yeah..., I can do that,
) If you care to consider any or all of whats to come, PM me for specific detailed advice, and assistance on obtaining what you need either locally or via FedEx. I've recently shipped a total of 4 - 1/2 US gallons of MMud-SE to the UK & Ireland, so don't worry about being the first to set any precedents.
Side one:
MMud-SE
1:1:1 MississippiMud with (?) amount of Behr Silver Metallic added dependent on what type of PJ you have. A simple application that is as good as such ever gets, and that can easily be adjusted to work well with almost any PJ.
Side two:
SM/MM
A pure coating of Silver Metallic overlaid by a "White" 1:1:1: MMud mix. This combo is generally accepted to be about the most desirable DIY screen you can aspire to, with only the cautionary advice that applying SM is much easier if sprayed than rolled. Ditto with the MMud Top Coat, but really not because you cannot roll it on, but because it is easier and more exacting a process to spray, allowing you to more accurately judge just how thick your Top Coat is going on with each layer.
BTW, as a caveat to Goo, sprayin' that stuff is also highly advisable. Roller marks are among the chief and "almost" the ONLY real complaint that comes from Goo Screen owners, but their occurrence is not so much the fault of the product as much as it's the lack of skill of the 'doer'. They take pains to provide instruction on how to avoid such crappeola. But..., a mitigating factor is that the Goo Top Coats are very much more translucent than MMud, so that helps aggravate the potential for getting roller marks if one does not practice their rolling technique prior to applying the paint. There's a real catch to that, however; you just cannot practice with such an expensive paint as Goo when it comes in such a small amount with which to use for the Screen itself, so therein lies another issue altogether. Those "Issues" are what helped make MMud a necessity and a reality as far as my creating it is concerned. Simple as Mud, clear as a Bell to most.
Next up, either on this thread of yours or via PM, I need to know what PJ you have, or are considering, and how big a screen your shooting for. With that, I can stick my neck out across the Chopping Block and make an exacting recommendation.
