If you want good sound levelling during commercials go with an AVR that has Audyssey. Look into the Onkyo TX-SR507/607 or even the Denon AVR-1910/790. The Denon has a slightly better Audyssey but for your application it may not matter. Those are the receivers I would choose from.
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Help me find a deal on an A/V receiver please! (specifics inside)
What I'm looking for is the following:
Must have at least 2 HDMI inputs, 3 is ideal and 4 and up is just excess since they won't be used.
Must be able to handle audio via HDMI as I'm trying to eliminate the need for excess cables. Does this mean I need HD decoder or is this just another feature? So, no HDMI that requires me to run a separate audio cable.
5.1 minimum and if it doesn't have a dedicated channel for a powered subwoofer I can make do with running speaker wires around in a high-pass setup too. Not sure if I said that right but that's how I have it hooked up now but would prefer the RCA jack thingy if that makes sense.
I need some sort of sound control so it quiets annoying commercials. This receiver is in our master bedroom and currently I'll be watching ESPN late at night while my wife is sleeping and when a commercial comes on it's LOUD and I can't stand that. Our current audio receiver also makes a loud clicking sound as it transitions audio types so I would like something that doesn't do this or is quieter or doesn't do it as much or whatever.
Lastly would be an on-screen menu. Not required but would be nice since the receiver sits in a closet high up on a shelf. Being able to adjust settings via an OSD would be nice but I'm not looking to spend a fortune on a receiver that is overkill otherwise just to get it. If it makes a difference this will be going via HDMI to a 720p display for the volume overlay.
So far this receiver seems to fit the bill save for the on-screen menu:
Yamaha RX-V465
I think it will do most of what I'm asking and seems to be pretty affordable. This isn't for a dedicated theater and is just for a 5.1ch setup in our master bedroom so I don't really need a lot of whiz-bang features or the price tag that comes with that. Just looking for those who understand this stuff a little better to help me out and either find a great deal on this receiver or find something similar that is even less expensive. Money is the primary focus here and not options is what I'm trying to say I guess.
Thanks for the help!
Must have at least 2 HDMI inputs, 3 is ideal and 4 and up is just excess since they won't be used.
Must be able to handle audio via HDMI as I'm trying to eliminate the need for excess cables. Does this mean I need HD decoder or is this just another feature? So, no HDMI that requires me to run a separate audio cable.
5.1 minimum and if it doesn't have a dedicated channel for a powered subwoofer I can make do with running speaker wires around in a high-pass setup too. Not sure if I said that right but that's how I have it hooked up now but would prefer the RCA jack thingy if that makes sense.
I need some sort of sound control so it quiets annoying commercials. This receiver is in our master bedroom and currently I'll be watching ESPN late at night while my wife is sleeping and when a commercial comes on it's LOUD and I can't stand that. Our current audio receiver also makes a loud clicking sound as it transitions audio types so I would like something that doesn't do this or is quieter or doesn't do it as much or whatever.
Lastly would be an on-screen menu. Not required but would be nice since the receiver sits in a closet high up on a shelf. Being able to adjust settings via an OSD would be nice but I'm not looking to spend a fortune on a receiver that is overkill otherwise just to get it. If it makes a difference this will be going via HDMI to a 720p display for the volume overlay.
So far this receiver seems to fit the bill save for the on-screen menu:
Yamaha RX-V465
I think it will do most of what I'm asking and seems to be pretty affordable. This isn't for a dedicated theater and is just for a 5.1ch setup in our master bedroom so I don't really need a lot of whiz-bang features or the price tag that comes with that. Just looking for those who understand this stuff a little better to help me out and either find a great deal on this receiver or find something similar that is even less expensive. Money is the primary focus here and not options is what I'm trying to say I guess.
Thanks for the help!
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How about this: It will do everything your looking for.
http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.asp...DENAVR1910-OPN
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyhelling /forum/post/18111686
What I'm looking for is the following:
Must have at least 2 HDMI inputs, 3 is ideal and 4 and up is just excess since they won't be used.
Must be able to handle audio via HDMI as I'm trying to eliminate the need for excess cables. Does this mean I need HD decoder or is this just another feature? So, no HDMI that requires me to run a separate audio cable.
5.1 minimum and if it doesn't have a dedicated channel for a powered subwoofer I can make do with running speaker wires around in a high-pass setup too. Not sure if I said that right but that's how I have it hooked up now but would prefer the RCA jack thingy if that makes sense.
I need some sort of sound control so it quiets annoying commercials. This receiver is in our master bedroom and currently I'll be watching ESPN late at night while my wife is sleeping and when a commercial comes on it's LOUD and I can't stand that. Our current audio receiver also makes a loud clicking sound as it transitions audio types so I would like something that doesn't do this or is quieter or doesn't do it as much or whatever.
Lastly would be an on-screen menu. Not required but would be nice since the receiver sits in a closet high up on a shelf. Being able to adjust settings via an OSD would be nice but I'm not looking to spend a fortune on a receiver that is overkill otherwise just to get it. If it makes a difference this will be going via HDMI to a 720p display for the volume overlay.
So far this receiver seems to fit the bill save for the on-screen menu:
Yamaha RX-V465
I think it will do most of what I'm asking and seems to be pretty affordable. This isn't for a dedicated theater and is just for a 5.1ch setup in our master bedroom so I don't really need a lot of whiz-bang features or the price tag that comes with that. Just looking for those who understand this stuff a little better to help me out and either find a great deal on this receiver or find something similar that is even less expensive. Money is the primary focus here and not options is what I'm trying to say I guess.
Thanks for the help!
How about this: It will do everything your looking for.
http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.asp...DENAVR1910-OPN
The best deal that I know of that meets your technical requirements are Denon refurbs of the AVR 590/1610 or even 790/1910. The 590, and possibly others are in stock at Dakmart.com. They come with a 90 day Denon warranty, and Dakmart extends it to 1 yr. The price is well under that of a new 465 anywhere that I have seen.
eCost.com's prices are even lower than Dakmart's, but they are hard to find in-stock. They only come with Denon's 90 day warranty, but you can extend yourself using Squaretrade or others and still pay 10% less than Dakmart.
Both Dakmart and eCost are authorized Denon resellers of refurbed AVR units.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyhelling /forum/post/18111686
What I'm looking for is the following:
Must have at least 2 HDMI inputs, 3 is ideal and 4 and up is just excess since they won't be used.
Must be able to handle audio via HDMI as I'm trying to eliminate the need for excess cables. Does this mean I need HD decoder or is this just another feature? So, no HDMI that requires me to run a separate audio cable.
5.1 minimum and if it doesn't have a dedicated channel for a powered subwoofer I can make do with running speaker wires around in a high-pass setup too. Not sure if I said that right but that's how I have it hooked up now but would prefer the RCA jack thingy if that makes sense.
I need some sort of sound control so it quiets annoying commercials. This receiver is in our master bedroom and currently I'll be watching ESPN late at night while my wife is sleeping and when a commercial comes on it's LOUD and I can't stand that. Our current audio receiver also makes a loud clicking sound as it transitions audio types so I would like something that doesn't do this or is quieter or doesn't do it as much or whatever.
Lastly would be an on-screen menu. Not required but would be nice since the receiver sits in a closet high up on a shelf. Being able to adjust settings via an OSD would be nice but I'm not looking to spend a fortune on a receiver that is overkill otherwise just to get it. If it makes a difference this will be going via HDMI to a 720p display for the volume overlay.
So far this receiver seems to fit the bill save for the on-screen menu:
Yamaha RX-V465
I think it will do most of what I'm asking and seems to be pretty affordable. This isn't for a dedicated theater and is just for a 5.1ch setup in our master bedroom so I don't really need a lot of whiz-bang features or the price tag that comes with that. Just looking for those who understand this stuff a little better to help me out and either find a great deal on this receiver or find something similar that is even less expensive. Money is the primary focus here and not options is what I'm trying to say I guess.
Thanks for the help!
The best deal that I know of that meets your technical requirements are Denon refurbs of the AVR 590/1610 or even 790/1910. The 590, and possibly others are in stock at Dakmart.com. They come with a 90 day Denon warranty, and Dakmart extends it to 1 yr. The price is well under that of a new 465 anywhere that I have seen.
eCost.com's prices are even lower than Dakmart's, but they are hard to find in-stock. They only come with Denon's 90 day warranty, but you can extend yourself using Squaretrade or others and still pay 10% less than Dakmart.
Both Dakmart and eCost are authorized Denon resellers of refurbed AVR units.
Great, thanks for all the advice everyone. Sounds like the Denon AVR590 is going to fit the bill best while costing the least. That sound accurate?
Looks like Dakmart has it for about $253 with a one-year warranty. eCost has it at only $209 with a 90-day warranty but it's OOS. I personally would rather save the $50 and get the lesser expensive of the two as I've always had good luck with refurbs in the past and am really not in a hurry either. I can wait and keep an eye on eCost until they get them in stock as it sounds like this is my best bet.
I haven't owned a Denon AVR yet but have heard good things so I'm excited to get my hands on one of these.
Looks like Dakmart has it for about $253 with a one-year warranty. eCost has it at only $209 with a 90-day warranty but it's OOS. I personally would rather save the $50 and get the lesser expensive of the two as I've always had good luck with refurbs in the past and am really not in a hurry either. I can wait and keep an eye on eCost until they get them in stock as it sounds like this is my best bet.
I haven't owned a Denon AVR yet but have heard good things so I'm excited to get my hands on one of these.
Doing a little research I discovered that they made an all-in-one type theater in a box using this receiver. The DHT-590A uses the 590 receiver as well as Boston Acoustics speakers for a 5.1ch system. We currently are using a very old (no HDMI) Onkyo all-in-one system and it has sufficed. I added a 10" powered sub to replace the crappy 6" paper passive on that came with the system and it's done alright save for a few things we would like to change. I was planning to replace just the receiver with a better option but if I can upgrade everything with matched components (keeping my 10" powered sub) and sell the older stuff that may be the best way to go here. I'm not sure on the Boston Acoustic speakers but they have to be an improvement over what we have since Onkyo isn't known for speaker building.
I would definitely step-up to the 1910/790 or try to find a 789/1909 model refurbed somewhere. The extra features are definitely worth it imo.
But reading some of the link provided kind of scared me a little.
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1852069
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1852069
Don't pass on considering this offering from Sony
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882105285
Or this one from Pioneer......
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+...&skuId=9238942
Try to consider why there's a SUPPLY of refurb units for resale in the first place. If you like the 590/1610 unit visit the dedicated/official thread and find out what the owners say.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882105285
Or this one from Pioneer......
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+...&skuId=9238942
Try to consider why there's a SUPPLY of refurb units for resale in the first place. If you like the 590/1610 unit visit the dedicated/official thread and find out what the owners say.
I made the same decision you did and waited for the 590/1610 to show up on eCost. Took about 10 days of looking (I also tracked the 790/1910, which are about $50 more than the 590/1610) and the 1610 showed up last Friday evening. Ordered one immediately. It was out of stock again on Saturday. Notified of shipping on Tue, but tracking is still only showing billing information received. So not sure that it really left yet. We'll see what happens.
About eCost. I bought a refurbed Xbox 360 from them and had some issues. But all were resolved by them pretty quickly. The first was not as advertised (listed specified HDMI port, but item did not have one). Called, they issued a prepaid return label and I sent it back. Refund included shipping to me. Their website was corrected the next day. Second one stopped working after about 10 minutes. Again, they issued a prepaid return label and refunded everything including shipping. Ordered a 3rd, and it has worked fine for about a month. Since Xbox 360's have inherent reliability problems, I got a Squaretrade 2 yr extended warranty under a 50% offer I found on Dealnews.com.
So, while I did not have the best experiences, eCost customer service handled them in the best way that they could have been handled. For the first item, they made a mistake relating to a subtle product issue on the website, made me whole for their mistake, and corrected the website quickly. On the 2nd unit, it was defective. I knew going in that refurbed Xbox 360's are a risk considering their known reliability problems. Again, eCost kept me whole.
I figured that since both Dakmart and eCost are Denon authorized refurb sellers, the units were going to be the same coming from either place. And I could rely on Denon for support in the first 90 days (when most electronic issues show up). After that, I may buy Squaretrade, or just self-insure.
As for the issue of why there are so many Denon refurbs, I don't know if that statement is accurate. If you check the AVS Forums threads for the 590/1610 and the 790/1910, the posts are overwhelmingly positive. And the person BatPig is a great resource. The only issue that I can find is that units with firmware prior to version 0.89 may have HDMI handshake issues with LG or one other type of BlueRay player. Updating the firmware seems to correct that, but updating must be done at a service center. There are no intrinsic problems, like overheating by Onkyo AVR's.
I know nothing about the speakers you mention.
Good luck whatever you decide.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyhelling /forum/post/18112395
Great, thanks for all the advice everyone. Sounds like the Denon AVR590 is going to fit the bill best while costing the least. That sound accurate?
Looks like Dakmart has it for about $253 with a one-year warranty. eCost has it at only $209 with a 90-day warranty but it's OOS. I personally would rather save the $50 and get the lesser expensive of the two as I've always had good luck with refurbs in the past and am really not in a hurry either. I can wait and keep an eye on eCost until they get them in stock as it sounds like this is my best bet.
I haven't owned a Denon AVR yet but have heard good things so I'm excited to get my hands on one of these.
I made the same decision you did and waited for the 590/1610 to show up on eCost. Took about 10 days of looking (I also tracked the 790/1910, which are about $50 more than the 590/1610) and the 1610 showed up last Friday evening. Ordered one immediately. It was out of stock again on Saturday. Notified of shipping on Tue, but tracking is still only showing billing information received. So not sure that it really left yet. We'll see what happens.
About eCost. I bought a refurbed Xbox 360 from them and had some issues. But all were resolved by them pretty quickly. The first was not as advertised (listed specified HDMI port, but item did not have one). Called, they issued a prepaid return label and I sent it back. Refund included shipping to me. Their website was corrected the next day. Second one stopped working after about 10 minutes. Again, they issued a prepaid return label and refunded everything including shipping. Ordered a 3rd, and it has worked fine for about a month. Since Xbox 360's have inherent reliability problems, I got a Squaretrade 2 yr extended warranty under a 50% offer I found on Dealnews.com.
So, while I did not have the best experiences, eCost customer service handled them in the best way that they could have been handled. For the first item, they made a mistake relating to a subtle product issue on the website, made me whole for their mistake, and corrected the website quickly. On the 2nd unit, it was defective. I knew going in that refurbed Xbox 360's are a risk considering their known reliability problems. Again, eCost kept me whole.
I figured that since both Dakmart and eCost are Denon authorized refurb sellers, the units were going to be the same coming from either place. And I could rely on Denon for support in the first 90 days (when most electronic issues show up). After that, I may buy Squaretrade, or just self-insure.
As for the issue of why there are so many Denon refurbs, I don't know if that statement is accurate. If you check the AVS Forums threads for the 590/1610 and the 790/1910, the posts are overwhelmingly positive. And the person BatPig is a great resource. The only issue that I can find is that units with firmware prior to version 0.89 may have HDMI handshake issues with LG or one other type of BlueRay player. Updating the firmware seems to correct that, but updating must be done at a service center. There are no intrinsic problems, like overheating by Onkyo AVR's.
I know nothing about the speakers you mention.
Good luck whatever you decide.
Why? What features will I get? I can't see that this setup is missing anything that I want. Keep in mind that this is the 5.1ch for the master bedroom. I have a 50" plasma hanging on the wall for when we feel like laying in bed to watch TV/movies/football so I don't really care if it's the best possible. I have two other 50" plasmas & 5.1 and a dedicated home theater w/7.2 and a 100" screen so maybe that will help put into perspective why my needs are so minimal for this setup. To spend more money, even $100 more, may net me features or options I don't want/need for this setup.
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Originally Posted by Danielson99 /forum/post/18112904
I would definitely step-up to the 1910/790 or try to find a 789/1909 model refurbed somewhere. The extra features are definitely worth it imo.
Why? What features will I get? I can't see that this setup is missing anything that I want. Keep in mind that this is the 5.1ch for the master bedroom. I have a 50" plasma hanging on the wall for when we feel like laying in bed to watch TV/movies/football so I don't really care if it's the best possible. I have two other 50" plasmas & 5.1 and a dedicated home theater w/7.2 and a 100" screen so maybe that will help put into perspective why my needs are so minimal for this setup. To spend more money, even $100 more, may net me features or options I don't want/need for this setup.
1. The 1910 is a full 7.1 receiver. The 1610/590 is a 5.1 receiver (5 amps built in) but can be expanded to 7.1 using the "Rear/Height" pre-outs to add an external amplifier. You have your choice of 7.1 expansion methods, either PLIIx (standard 7.1 with 2 "rear" channels) or PLIIz (5.1 + 2 "height" channels).
2. The 1910 has a 4th HDMI input, and adds an extra coaxial digital audio input
3. The 1910 is spec'd for more power, 90W x 7
4. The 1910 has full video scaling, of both analog and digital video, up to 1080p, and these video settings are adjustable by input. The 1610 has no scaling, and no adjustable settings; it simply automatically converts analog video to digital, and deinterlaces 480i > 480p when doing so. Everything else goes out at the same resolution it came in.
5. The 1910 has 2-zone/2-source capability (no multizone on 1610), and the 1910 (not 790, see above) has a "room to room" remote control jack for wired control from Zone 2.
6. The 1910 has extra inputs: a Sirius input jack, a "CD" analog input, and 7.1 multichannel analog inputs
7. The 1910 has two switched power outlets on the back
If you don't care about scaling or any of the other upgrades then save the $50 and go for the 1610 by all means. To me, the added $50 means alot more in resale value if for nothing else at all.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyhelling /forum/post/18115847
Why? What features will I get? I can't see that this setup is missing anything that I want. Keep in mind that this is the 5.1ch for the master bedroom. I have a 50" plasma hanging on the wall for when we feel like laying in bed to watch TV/movies/football so I don't really care if it's the best possible. I have two other 50" plasmas & 5.1 and a dedicated home theater w/7.2 and a 100" screen so maybe that will help put into perspective why my needs are so minimal for this setup. To spend more money, even $100 more, may net me features or options I don't want/need for this setup.
1. The 1910 is a full 7.1 receiver. The 1610/590 is a 5.1 receiver (5 amps built in) but can be expanded to 7.1 using the "Rear/Height" pre-outs to add an external amplifier. You have your choice of 7.1 expansion methods, either PLIIx (standard 7.1 with 2 "rear" channels) or PLIIz (5.1 + 2 "height" channels).
2. The 1910 has a 4th HDMI input, and adds an extra coaxial digital audio input
3. The 1910 is spec'd for more power, 90W x 7
4. The 1910 has full video scaling, of both analog and digital video, up to 1080p, and these video settings are adjustable by input. The 1610 has no scaling, and no adjustable settings; it simply automatically converts analog video to digital, and deinterlaces 480i > 480p when doing so. Everything else goes out at the same resolution it came in.
5. The 1910 has 2-zone/2-source capability (no multizone on 1610), and the 1910 (not 790, see above) has a "room to room" remote control jack for wired control from Zone 2.
6. The 1910 has extra inputs: a Sirius input jack, a "CD" analog input, and 7.1 multichannel analog inputs
7. The 1910 has two switched power outlets on the back
If you don't care about scaling or any of the other upgrades then save the $50 and go for the 1610 by all means. To me, the added $50 means alot more in resale value if for nothing else at all.
Yeah, I have no use for any of that for this location so it would just be extra spent money w/o any return. The 590 is perfect for what I need for this location.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danielson99 /forum/post/18116021
1. The 1910 is a full 7.1 receiver. The 1610/590 is a 5.1 receiver (5 amps built in) but can be expanded to 7.1 using the "Rear/Height" pre-outs to add an external amplifier. You have your choice of 7.1 expansion methods, either PLIIx (standard 7.1 with 2 "rear" channels) or PLIIz (5.1 + 2 "height" channels).
2. The 1910 has a 4th HDMI input, and adds an extra coaxial digital audio input
3. The 1910 is spec'd for more power, 90W x 7
4. The 1910 has full video scaling, of both analog and digital video, up to 1080p, and these video settings are adjustable by input. The 1610 has no scaling, and no adjustable settings; it simply automatically converts analog video to digital, and deinterlaces 480i > 480p when doing so. Everything else goes out at the same resolution it came in.
5. The 1910 has 2-zone/2-source capability (no multizone on 1610), and the 1910 (not 790, see above) has a "room to room" remote control jack for wired control from Zone 2.
6. The 1910 has extra inputs: a Sirius input jack, a "CD" analog input, and 7.1 multichannel analog inputs
7. The 1910 has two switched power outlets on the back
If you don't care about scaling or any of the other upgrades then save the $50 and go for the 1610 by all means. To me, the added $50 means alot more in resale value if for nothing else at all.
Yeah, I have no use for any of that for this location so it would just be extra spent money w/o any return. The 590 is perfect for what I need for this location.
I got Den 1910 for a good price at best Buy, but I had to buy Definitive Technology speaker system. Paid full price on DefTechs, but then 1910 cost me only $250
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danielson99 /forum/post/18111752
If you want good sound levelling during commercials go with an AVR that has Audyssey. Look into the Onkyo TX-SR507/607 or even the Denon AVR-1910/790. The Denon has a slightly better Audyssey but for your application it may not matter. Those are the receivers I would choose from.
I got Den 1910 for a good price at best Buy, but I had to buy Definitive Technology speaker system. Paid full price on DefTechs, but then 1910 cost me only $250
You can pick up Denon AVR-1610 right now at Electronics Expo for less then $300 using coupon code WS901X3807. This is new with full 2 year warranty.
Guys, where the Expo coupon is concerned, make sure you go all the way through Amazon checkout and the coupon will work fine.
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