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Help Me Pick a Yamaha Reciever

2820 Views 31 Replies 11 Participants Last post by MichaelJHuman, Jul 24, 2009

AudioIronHorse

Discussion Starter · Jul 21, 2009

Hey guys...

Looking to upgrade my RX-V 2500 Yammy. Want something with HDMI switching and something to decode the new lossless codecs (Dolby True HD). I run Phase Tech PC 3.1 series II's and PC 6.1's as "presence" speakers. I really like these speakers and I prefer the "presence" function to the additional rear surrounds. It works best in my room.

I only have the yamaha amplifiying the presence channels (Phase Tech PC 6.1s). These are 6 ohm speakers. The rest of the 3.1's are powered by adcom GFA 5503 and a 5500, and I tend to run my system on the louder side.

Seems like they have had so many changes at yamaha with their recievers that I don't really know what to look for. My amplification needs are just for the presence speakers, but I do tend to go to reference levels for concerts and action packed movies. I've heard that there has been a change in the money that Yamaha is putting to the amplification section now of these recievers.

Thanks for any help you may give!

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phantom52

· #2 · Jul 21, 2009

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Originally Posted by AudioIronHorse /forum/post/16864260

Hey guys...

Looking to upgrade my RX-V 2500 Yammy. Want something with HDMI switching and something to decode the new lossless codecs (Dolby True HD). I run Phase Tech PC 3.1 series II's and PC 6.1's as "presence" speakers. I really like these speakers and I prefer the "presence" function to the additional rear surrounds. It works best in my room.

I only have the yamaha amplifiying the presence channels (Phase Tech PC 6.1s). These are 6 ohm speakers. The rest of the 3.1's are powered by adcom GFA 5503 and a 5500, and I tend to run my system on the louder side.

Seems like they have had so many changes at yamaha with their recievers that I don't really know what to look for. My amplification needs are just for the presence speakers, but I do tend to go to reference levels for concerts and action packed movies. I've heard that there has been a change in the money that Yamaha is putting to the amplification section now of these recievers.

Thanks for any help you may give!

Since your'e only using it as a pre-pro I'd look at the 665 for under $400 or even the 765 for a little over that. Should do everything you need.

Ralarcon

· #3 · Jul 21, 2009

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Originally Posted by phantom52 /forum/post/16864329

Since your'e only using it as a pre-pro I'd look at the 665 for under $400 or even the 765 for a little over that. Should do everything you need.

If you are using the RX-V 2500, the most logical approach would be going with the 1900, or the 3900 if you want video processing and Network and HD radio capabilities. The video capabilities of the 3900 allow you to up convert and deinterlace HDMI and legacy connections like S video and composite and component inputs up to 1080 P , using an excellent Anchor Bay chip.

Cheers

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AudioIronHorse

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jul 21, 2009

Thanks Phantom,

Well, I AM using it to power 2 channels for the presence speakers. My RX-V2500 gets pretty warm just doing this and I believe that puts out some pretty good power. It does need to keep up with the Adcoms, which put out some pretty decent power for the other 5 channels.

Still the same conclusion?

Someone has mentioned the RX-v863 to me. Is he off base here?

Additional thoughts?

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MichaelJHuman

· #5 · Jul 21, 2009

The 3800 can be had for a good price if you can live without the features the 3900 added.

The main features the 3900 added were an improved GUI, and short message display over HDMI. It does have a quality video deinterlacer/scaler chip, but I have not found it to be helpful.

Someone suggested the x65 line. While they are affordable, they lack connectivity due to unassignable and limited inputs. As a 2500 owner, I think you might be unhappy with the x65 line.

As it's now July, you might want to wait until Yamaha announces the fall line. The price of the 3900 might come down. I am quite pleased with my 3900.

If you have specific questions on Yamaha models, you can PM me. I'm a bit of a Yamaha fan boy, and pay attention to what's going on with their product line ( the x65 line did not please me

)

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phantom52

· #6 · Jul 21, 2009

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Originally Posted by AudioIronHorse /forum/post/16864412

Thanks Phantom,

Well, I AM using it to power 2 channels for the presence speakers. My RX-V2500 gets pretty warm just doing this and I believe that puts out some pretty good power. It does need to keep up with the Adcoms, which put out some pretty decent power for the other 5 channels.

Still the same conclusion?

Someone has mentioned the RX-v863 to me. Is he off base here?

Additional thoughts?

The 2500 had a history of running warm to hot. Doesn't matter still worked as it should. You don't need a receiver to keep up with your other amps. The

"prescence" channels are used very little and either of the receivers I mentioned should work just fine for that use. Will either of them get warm or even hot, I don't know. But even if they do the 2500 worked just fine at these temps and appears to still be operating. If its just the new codecs you want and connectivity the 665 or 765 will still do the job as a pre-pro.

phantom52

· #7 · Jul 21, 2009

Doesn't anyone feel that the 3800 or 3900 are a little overkill for "prescence" channel use. If the Op wants video processing and networking along with all the other features of the above mentioned models I also agree with those choices. I also am a Yamaha fan(2600) and do not care for the new models, but for what he wants to do they should do the job easy enough without spending a fortune.

rdgrimes

· #8 · Jul 21, 2009

I'm using the 665 as pre/pro and it's also running the back surrounds. Main power is a Sunfire Signature 5x400. I couldn't be happier with it as a switcher and processor. It does have a few niggling issues with handshakes, but no deal-killers. It's designed to be primarily an HDMI switcher, so if you need more than one component input or any SVHS inputs, it's a no go.

Unless you really need video processing, (and few people really do), the 1800/3800 units are over-kill.

AudioIronHorse

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jul 21, 2009

rdgrimes, phantom52, MichaelJHuman, Ralarcon,

Thank you very much for your replies.

Phantom, I agree that the presence channels are used very little normally, but I should have mentioned that I do use the dialog lift function because this set up is used with a front projector and screen. That probably also contributes to the heat factor. It's somewhat of an extension of the center channel.

I do really appreciate the fast and courteous responses from everyone. Sounds like I have some more research to do! MichaelJHuman, I may be hitting you up on this stuff since you are a fan boy!

Again, many thanks to all! This is really fun stuff if you can just keep up with the different model numbers!!

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OppoPX14

· #10 · Jul 22, 2009

More 863's have been spotted at BB for $400.~$500. There open box but still have the 2 year warranty.

phantom52

· #11 · Jul 22, 2009

Since it seems that the prescence channels are your main concern you may want to forego the Yamaha and skip over to the Denon or Onkyo models that are now offering DPIIz. It was made for this by Audessey. Don't know what your budget is but the Denon 4310 is close to the price of the 3900 or a little higher and was designed with Audessey MultiEQ XT that does precisely what you want. It has ample connections and also has the ABT 2010 video processor which is the same one used in the DVDO Edge. Just a thought. Below is a thread that is discussing someone that is doing the very thing you want to do with your set-up. Good luck and hope this helps.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1156242

AudioIronHorse

Discussion Starter · #12 · Jul 22, 2009

Thank you Oppo and again thank you phantom for your replies.

I suppose budget would have been a very useful thing to include in my original post. I'd like to stay around $1000, or less if possible. I actually have a 3 of these to buy because I do have several different systems in my home that I would like to upgrade to the new format. The main system with the adcoms needs the most power.

Phantom... Denon does the Presence channel layout now? I thought that was strictly a Yammy deal. Is the audessey setup generally thought of as better then the YPAO setup?

I did more searching last night on the painfully slow Yamaha site and ran across a new model called the RX-V 1065. Anyone have any insight on this?

Right now I'm thinking maybe a 3800, 1800, 863, 765 and/or maybe this new 1065. I believe all support the new codecs and HDMI 1.3a. I'll probalby be looking at getting two receivers (spelled it right this time!) for now.

Thanks again for everyones input!

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phantom52

· #13 · Jul 22, 2009

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Originally Posted by AudioIronHorse /forum/post/16868243

Thank you Oppo and again thank you phantom for your replies.

I suppose budget would have been a very useful thing to include in my original post. I'd like to stay around $1000, or less if possible. I actually have a 3 of these to buy because I do have several different systems in my home that I would like to upgrade to the new format. The main system with the adcoms needs the most power.

Phantom... Denon does the Presence channel layout now? I thought that was strictly a Yammy deal. Is the audessey setup generally thought of as better then the YPAO setup?

I did more searching last night on the painfully slow Yamaha site and ran across a new model called the RX-V 1065. Anyone have any insight on this?

Right now I'm thinking maybe a 3800, 1800, 863, 765 and/or maybe this new 1065. I believe all support the new codecs and HDMI 1.3a. I'll probalby be looking at getting two receivers (spelled it right this time!) for now.

Thanks again for everyones input!

Well yes Denon does support the setup you want. Yes Audessey is considered a much better setup program than the YPAO system of old. As compared to the new YPAO I have no idea. MichaelJHuman will have to chime in with that. Denon new units along with Onkyo new units out now and in the near future will support DPLIIz, Dolby's program for the "front" height channels. The 4310 is out of your price range of 1K, the 3310 is also a little above that. The 2310 on the other hand will fit your budget. All of the new Denons support the new codecs, as well as starting with the 1910 Denon also have ABT video processing. You would'nt be able to use the 1910 though as it doesn't have the pre-outs you need. Did you read any of the link I provided you with? If not read some of it and see if that is what you are truly looking for. If need be contact JoeRod and ask him personally how much he uses it. From what I read from his thread he would'nt be without it now. Good luck. You have many options on what you want to accomplish and how much you want to spend. I was just giving you more options than only Yamaha. For your budget I would give the 2310 a close look from Denon's website and read its specs.

Whoops sorry the 2310 does not have pre-outs either.

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gingus

· #14 · Jul 22, 2009

BTW, audioholics is doing a clearance / sale on Yamaha receivers. I was looking b/t the 1900, 3900 & 7Z, and the prices seemed pretty good.

phantom52

· #15 · Jul 22, 2009

Here's Audioholics review of Yamaha's new 1065. At this time their newest and best receiver for the year so far. I, like MichaelHuman am not a fan of Yamaha's newest offerings so far. Doesn't seem Audioholics is that much into them either.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/r...v1065-receiver

SAVholic

· #16 · Jul 22, 2009

yep a 1065 or you can even score a last "gen" 1800 for a bargain.

MichaelJHuman

· #17 · Jul 22, 2009

Is he right? The $1000 MSRP 1065 can't convert analog to HDMI??

SAVholic

· #18 · Jul 22, 2009

RX-V1065 " While those with HDMI capable displays need not worry, anyone that is using an older display and is thinking of upgrading their receiver first needs to be aware that upconversion only works with HDMI. While everything is converted to HDMI, the rest is pass through" source form audiholics.com

MichaelJHuman

· #19 · Jul 22, 2009

I am posting something from the 1065 manual. It definitely seems to imply analog is upconverted to HDMI. The writer from Audioholics made some statements which sounded like this was not the case.

"So if you have a number of older devices (or a game system like an early generation XBox 360 or PS2), you'll have to connection each video connection type. For example, you may have a legacy VCR with composite out, an XBox with component and a cable box with component. From the receiver, you'd need to connect component video cables for the cable and XBox and a composite cable for the VCR. You'd have to switch inputs on the TV to view the different sources."

■ Resolution

Upscales the resolution of HDMI output that is converted

from analog video input signals and output from the

HDMI OUT jack.

Notes

• Resolution of the HDMI output converted from 720p or 1080i analog

video signals cannot be upscaled.

• When a video monitor is connected to the HDMI OUT jack of this unit,

this unit automatically detects a resolution that the monitor supports. An

asterisk (*) appears on the left of the detected resolution.

• If this unit cannot detect the resolution that the monitor supports, set

“MON.CHK” in the advanced setup menu to “SKIP” (page64) and try

again.

Choices: On, Off*

On Enables the HDMI control function.

Off Disables the HDMI control function.

Choices: Through*, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

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Dzhokhar

· #20 · Jul 22, 2009

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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman /forum/post/16869962

I am posting something from the 1065 manual. It definitely seems to imply analog is upconverted to HDMI. The writer from Audioholics made some statements which sounded like this was not the case.

I agree that the Audioholics article was unclear. I think what he's saying is that the 1065 can't up-convert from Composite or S-Video to Component, something that most older receivers in that price range can do.

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