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I am building a room in my basement that will be used for watching movies and sports. No gaming and some music, but not much. I recently ordered a Sony VPL-VW295ES True 4K HDR Projector that will be installed. I'd like to ask for some suggestions for speakers using a budget of around $5,000. Preferably, I'd have a 7.2.4 system. The 4 Atmos speakers will be mounted in/on the ceiling. Room size will be roughly 12'(w) x 16'(d) x 8'(h). I'd like to have a decent system, but I'm not educated on what to buy. I have read some ideas in this forum, but I haven't found a suggestion for an entire room of speakers. Most suggestions are for the LCR or surrounds or subs, but I'm looking for an entire system that would sound good together.

Ideas/suggestions?

Thanks,
Brian
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I am building a room in my basement that will be used for watching movies and sports. No gaming and some music, but not much. I recently ordered a Sony VPL-VW295ES True 4K HDR Projector that will be installed. I'd like to ask for some suggestions for speakers using a budget of around $5,000. Preferably, I'd have a 7.2.4 system. The 4 Atmos speakers will be mounted in/on the ceiling. Room size will be roughly 12'(w) x 16'(d) x 8'(h). I'd like to have a decent system, but I'm not educated on what to buy. I have read some ideas in this forum, but I haven't found a suggestion for an entire room of speakers. Most suggestions are for the LCR or surrounds or subs, but I'm looking for an entire system that would sound good together.

Ideas/suggestions?

Thanks,
Brian
A room that size and mostly HT makes you a good candidate for an HSU Hybrid 2 package with a 2nd HSU VTF-2 MK5 or a hybrid 3 package.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2mk5pkg.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid3hppkg.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2mk5.html
The speakers actually look much nicer than their website depicts.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html
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You'll need two subs for a room with those dimensions (all multiples of one another). If you want chest slam and high volumes, look at a pair of 15" subs, otherwise a pair of 12" should be adequate (unless the room is open to other rooms). Anything from Rythmik, HSU, PSA, SVS should be on your short list.

As to which speakers to buy, you will have a ton of options, and the best way to not make a mistake is to go out and listen to speakers, as many speakers as you can in your area. Once you have an idea of what you like and don't like, then we can steer you towards options that fit your criteria. Otherwise, you will just get a list of speakers that folks here like, and they do not have your ears or your room.
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I am building a room in my basement that will be used for watching movies and sports. No gaming and some music, but not much. I recently ordered a Sony VPL-VW295ES True 4K HDR Projector that will be installed. I'd like to ask for some suggestions for speakers using a budget of around $5,000. Preferably, I'd have a 7.2.4 system. The 4 Atmos speakers will be mounted in/on the ceiling. Room size will be roughly 12'(w) x 16'(d) x 8'(h). I'd like to have a decent system, but I'm not educated on what to buy. I have read some ideas in this forum, but I haven't found a suggestion for an entire room of speakers. Most suggestions are for the LCR or surrounds or subs, but I'm looking for an entire system that would sound good together.

Ideas/suggestions?

Thanks,
Brian
What size and type of screen will you be using? If you can, use an Acoustically Transparent screen material as his will allow you to place your Center speaker behind the screen, and to orient it vertically. Then you can use 3 identical speakers for your front soundstage, which is the most optimal system you can design.

Others will provide many suggestions for speakers in your price range, as well as above and below that. Many will suggest the speakers they own. I suggest you listen to speakers and decide for yourself. :)

Craig
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Thanks guys. I appreciate your quick answers. Does this Paradigm avs review seem like a good place to start or to seek out for a good listen?

Here is the URL because I can't make a link for some reason:
https://www.avsforum.com/paradigm-premier-7-1-speaker-system-defiance-x15-sub-review/

As for the screen, I have not yet decided. I have not even opened the projector box yet. I was planning to do a temp setup, have a look at the picture and watch a couple things on the wall before deciding how big of a screen I want. I have considered a transparent screen but I was also advised that the picture may be a bit less sharp if I do. I'm not sure yet.

Planned Width is 12.5' but I can stretch that if I want to use more of my basement. Height is 8'. Depth is 16' and slightly adjustable, but less than the width.

Thanks again.
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Thanks guys. I appreciate your quick answers. Does this Paradigm avs review seem like a good place to start or to seek out for a good listen?

Here is the URL because I can't make a link for some reason:
https://www.avsforum.com/paradigm-premier-7-1-speaker-system-defiance-x15-sub-review/

As for the screen, I have not yet decided. I have not even opened the projector box yet. I was planning to do a temp setup, have a look at the picture and watch a couple things on the wall before deciding how big of a screen I want. I have considered a transparent screen but I was also advised that the picture may be a bit less sharp if I do. I'm not sure yet.

Planned Width is 12.5' but I can stretch that if I want to use more of my basement. Height is 8'. Depth is 16' and slightly adjustable, but less than the width.

Thanks again.
If you use one of the 4K AT screen materials, loss of sharpness will be trivial at most, and non-existent at best. The audio benefits will largely outweigh the insignificant video issues.



Craig
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Visit some of your local dealers and Best Buy to hear some big names so we can get a better gauge of how you like your sound.

Klipsch, Kef, Paradigm, Revel.

As for subs, Rythmik, HSU, Monolith. The only names you should consider. They are the leaders in boom for your buck.

You’ll want two 15” subs in that size of a room, which can get expensive.

Luckily two HSU VTF3’s is only $1750.

That leaves you with $3250 for speakers. That’s plenty.

Now here’s my personal recommendation.

Klipsch RP series and Revel Concerta2 Series.

Both have surrounds that match and in ceilings that match. Good performing ones.

Kef also does too.

Many brands have poor performing in ceiling speakers that make it not a good investment and you end up mismatching brands which isn’t generally a dealbreaker, it would just kill my OCD.

Martin Logan’s AMT’s have limited dispersion, making it not a great choice for theater. Klipsch, Revel, Kef, all have good dispersion and off axis response, making it a good choice for theater when you have multiple seating positions.
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I wouldn't worry too much about trying to do in person demos of the countless speaker brands available. Floyd Toole's research indicates that this in fact NOT the best way to figure out what speakers you should select, but that you can rather rely on factual, objective measurements to narrow your choices down.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/3038828-how-choose-loudspeaker-what-science-shows.html

Another suggestion is to lean towards speakers that are designed for home theater use...that is, highly capable speakers that have high sensitivity and are able to meet the demands of home theater without distortion, compression, or clipping your amp/avr. Most low sensitivity speakers will not get anywhere close to reference levels long before hitting objectionable levels of distortion, compression, and or clipping of your power source when trying to hit dynamic peaks. It doesn't matter how good a low sensitivity speaker sounds at low to moderate levels...its going to sound bad when it distorts. Many don't realize they are running out of capability...they just think its "too loud" at -15 MV when it fact, it is too distorted, compressed, or clipped, making things sound uncomfortably loud.

So start with speakers that will play clean such as those from PSA with 95-98 dB sensitivity while offering excellent measured sound quality. They will require 1/4th to 1/10th the power of most all retail or ID speakers that are not designed for home theater playback, including Klipsch which inflates their rated sensitivity by usually 6 dB or more.

So PSA for your LCR, then perhaps some neutral, accurate speakers for surrounds/ceiling/etc from brands like Revel or KEF that follow Floyd Toole's research when it comes to speaker design.

A pair of Hsu VTF3.5's for subs is a great suggestion, but start with one if you have to. There's a GREAT deal in the classifieds currently on a trio of PSA MT110's that would leave lots of room for all your surrounds/heights etc.
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Visit some of your local dealers and Best Buy to hear some big names so we can get a better gauge of how you like your sound.

Klipsch, Kef, Paradigm, Revel.

As for subs, Rythmik, HSU, Monolith. The only names you should consider. They are the leaders in boom for your buck.

You’ll want two 15” subs in that size of a room, which can get expensive.

Luckily two HSU VTF3’s is only $1750.

That leaves you with $3250 for speakers. That’s plenty.

Now here’s my personal recommendation.

Klipsch RP series and Revel Concerta2 Series.

Both have surrounds that match and in ceilings that match. Good performing ones.

Kef also does too.

Many brands have poor performing in ceiling speakers that make it not a good investment and you end up mismatching brands which isn’t generally a dealbreaker, it would just kill my OCD.

Martin Logan’s AMT’s have limited dispersion, making it not a great choice for theater. Klipsch, Revel, Kef, all have good dispersion and off axis response, making it a good choice for theater when you have multiple seating positions.
I have similar OCD. How does something like this look? I'm asking a lot of questions because I don't even know where to start when I visit these stores. I used the Klipsch home theater speaker configurator to come up with this list then added prices since they don't show that on their site.

System Components:

2 X RP-8000F Floorstanding Speaker - Ebony; $1200/pair
1 X RP-504C Center Channel - Ebony; $650
2 X R-5800-W II In-Wall Speaker; (side surrounds) $700/pair
2 X R-5800-W II In-Wall Speaker; (rear surrounds) $700/pair
2 X CDT-5800-C II In-Ceiling Speaker; (front ATMOS) $700/pair
2 X CDT-5800-C II In-Ceiling Speaker; (rear ATMOS) $700/pair
2 X SPL-150 Subwoofer; $900/each (assuming many might recommend straying from Klipsch for the subs??)

Total in this package would be somewhere around $6,500. These are all the best recommended home theater speakers from Klipsch. Not sure if I need the best they offer, but it's a place to start and comparing. I can bump my budget a bit, as $5,000 was just a blind stab.

Thanks again.
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I wouldn't worry too much about trying to do in person demos of the countless speaker brands available. Floyd Toole's research indicates that this in fact NOT the best way to figure out what speakers you should select, but that you can rather rely on factual, objective measurements to narrow your choices down.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/3038828-how-choose-loudspeaker-what-science-shows.html

Another suggestion is to lean towards speakers that are designed for home theater use...that is, highly capable speakers that have high sensitivity and are able to meet the demands of home theater without distortion, compression, or clipping your amp/avr. Most low sensitivity speakers will not get anywhere close to reference levels long before hitting objectionable levels of distortion, compression, and or clipping of your power source when trying to hit dynamic peaks. It doesn't matter how good a low sensitivity speaker sounds at low to moderate levels...its going to sound bad when it distorts. Many don't realize they are running out of capability...they just think its "too loud" at -15 MV when it fact, it is too distorted, compressed, or clipped, making things sound uncomfortably loud.

So start with speakers that will play clean such as those from PSA with 95-98 dB sensitivity while offering excellent measured sound quality. They will require 1/4th to 1/10th the power of most all retail or ID speakers that are not designed for home theater playback, including Klipsch which inflates their rated sensitivity by usually 6 dB or more.

So PSA for your LCR, then perhaps some neutral, accurate speakers for surrounds/ceiling/etc from brands like Revel or KEF that follow Floyd Toole's research when it comes to speaker design.

A pair of Hsu VTF3.5's for subs is a great suggestion, but start with one if you have to. There's a GREAT deal in the classifieds currently on a trio of PSA MT110's that would leave lots of room for all your surrounds/heights etc.


Yeah, don't use your own ears, as they might tell you that speakers that measure similarly, DO sound different when you actually listen to them.
PSA is a good recommendation and for in ceiling JBL Controls are nice speakers to use if paired with high efficiency PSA's.

https://www.jblpro.com/www/products/installed-sound/control-200-series/control-226c-t#.XUs_D_JKiJA

for rears the jbl 530's would be great. Try to get them on sale at $299.00 a pair tho.
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PSA is a good recommendation and for in ceiling JBL Controls are nice speakers to use if paired with high efficiency PSA's.



https://www.jblpro.com/www/products/installed-sound/control-200-series/control-226c-t#.XUs_D_JKiJA



for rears the jbl 530's would be great. Try to get them on sale at $299.00 a pair tho.


I actually own an all PSA suite of speakers and subs, along with the JBL controls as Atmos speakers. It’s a killer configuration, particularly for home theater.


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for that size budget and high efficiency, you should take a look at tekton design. www.tektondesign.com
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I wouldn't worry too much about trying to do in person demos of the countless speaker brands available. Floyd Toole's research indicates that this in fact NOT the best way to figure out what speakers you should select, but that you can rather rely on factual, objective measurements to narrow your choices down.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/3038828-how-choose-loudspeaker-what-science-shows.html

Another suggestion is to lean towards speakers that are designed for home theater use...that is, highly capable speakers that have high sensitivity and are able to meet the demands of home theater without distortion, compression, or clipping your amp/avr. Most low sensitivity speakers will not get anywhere close to reference levels long before hitting objectionable levels of distortion, compression, and or clipping of your power source when trying to hit dynamic peaks. It doesn't matter how good a low sensitivity speaker sounds at low to moderate levels...its going to sound bad when it distorts. Many don't realize they are running out of capability...they just think its "too loud" at -15 MV when it fact, it is too distorted, compressed, or clipped, making things sound uncomfortably loud.

So start with speakers that will play clean such as those from PSA with 95-98 dB sensitivity while offering excellent measured sound quality. They will require 1/4th to 1/10th the power of most all retail or ID speakers that are not designed for home theater playback, including Klipsch which inflates their rated sensitivity by usually 6 dB or more.

So PSA for your LCR, then perhaps some neutral, accurate speakers for surrounds/ceiling/etc from brands like Revel or KEF that follow Floyd Toole's research when it comes to speaker design.

A pair of Hsu VTF3.5's for subs is a great suggestion, but start with one if you have to. There's a GREAT deal in the classifieds currently on a trio of PSA MT110's that would leave lots of room for all your surrounds/heights etc.
Are Spins available for the PSA speakers?
Are Spins available for the PSA speakers?


I wish there were, but not that I’m aware of. Some decent measurements available on Home Theater Shack.


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Are Spins available for the PSA speakers?


Another point in favor of PSA (Asia from the high value/high performance) is the outstanding customer service offered by Tom Vodhanel, the principal owner. In addition, when new models come out, you’re able to trade up, which is really valuable when you’re trying to sell large, heavy and expensive speakers.


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A room that size and mostly HT makes you a good candidate for an HSU Hybrid 2 package with a 2nd HSU VTF-2 MK5 or a hybrid 3 package.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2mk5pkg.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid3hppkg.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2mk5.html
The speakers actually look much nicer than their website depicts.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html
I'll second this, in fact see this to save some $: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/209-audio-gear/3074710-fs-hsu-hb1-mk2-hc1-mk2-speakers.html

My room is almost the same size. Definitely get 2 subs. I recommend 2 of the sealed HSU ULS-15. They will be refined at low levels, and be more bass than you know what to do with at high levels. Probably the best and most cost-effective 15" sub you can get today that isn't DIY.

I don't think you need ported subs at all. In fact, they could cause issues in that small of a room. Besides, the room will give you a large amount of low frequency gain to everything below 30 Hz, making your bass output flat into the single-digit frequencies. Basically, there won't be any dropoff to speak of. Heck, I achieve that with only 12" subs in a 17 x 11 x 8 room.

I run 2 in my room because the response from one is whacky. At the same time, the response from the other sub is whacky, too. But when I combine them, they are smooooth. Make sure they are spread out - I recommend one up front in the middle of the wall and one in the back. They perform best when the driver is near the wall as it eliminates wall-bounce cancellations.

This is 2 12" subs in the above-stated configuration, before adding a boost:
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The sub bass isn't anywhere near smooth with only one playing.

The HSU speakers should be able to hit 99dB at 3 meters distance with 90 watts, with 3dB of headroom left on the amplifier. Do you need louder? IMO, that's insanely loud. I listen at maybe 80dB, with the subs hitting into the 90's.

And, how many seats will you have? I sit 3 wide, and as the side seats are only 1 meter to the walls, I put bipole speakers there.
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Brian,

$5,000 at retail (MSRP) won’t get you much in my opinion. There deals available but forum rules don’t permit that discussion in public.

Yes 2 subs are better than one however one could yield good performance but limited tactile response (chest pounding). The room is only 1600 cu ft assuming it’s closed in from the rest of the basement.

Not sure of the seating but you might consider a 5.x.4
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Well, lots of good opinions. Here is mine. Check out Def Tech speakers. Superb especially for home theatre. Good deals to be had on them. Holy sweet mother they play loud. Some amazing reviews on them...they are beloved by those with experience with them, though I get it’s not for everyone, nothing is.

Just one of many options. Enjoy finding your perfect setup. It’s lots of fun, I just went through the same process.
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