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HELP Sony PS3 + Which Non-HDMI 1.3 Receiver = Dolby TrueHD & DTS-HDMA

5721 Views 48 Replies 25 Participants Last post by MichaelJHuman, Nov 16, 2008

moshock

Discussion Starter · Jan 15, 2008

Okay, whoever can shed some insight here would be helping a large amount of people in similar scenarios. So, the average user with a PS3 assumes he needs a receiver with HDMI 1.3 that can decode DD TrueHD and DTS-HDMA to get the full effect of these new lossless codecs. However, I know this is NOT true. The PS3 can do the decoding of these new formats and send it to an older generation HDMI receiver. So, I have:

- Hitachi 1080i 50" Plasma

- DirecTV HR21

- 40GB PS3 (picking it up this week)

- Klipsch Cinema 6 satellites w/ Klipsch 10" sub

What non-HDMI 1.3 receiver would you guys recommend, as I really don't think it's worth spending double or triple to get a v1.3 receiver for my setup.

My goal:

- Use only HDMI cables

- Receive no loss in picture quality for either the HR21 or PS3

- Receive full Dolby Digital TrueHD and (hopefully with firmware update to PS3) DTS-HDMA in the future

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rynberg

· #2 · Jan 15, 2008

The PS3 only sends multichannel PCM, so you only need a HDMI 1.1 receiver that processes multichannel PCM.

SAVholic

· #3 · Jan 15, 2008

and even so it wont decode DTS-HD MA

samsurd2

· #4 · Jan 15, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by moshock /forum/post/12817488

My goal:

- Use only HDMI cables

- Receive no loss in picture quality for either the HR21 or PS3

- Receive full Dolby Digital TrueHD and (hopefully with firmware update to PS3) DTS-HDMA in the future

IMO, the least expensive AVR that can do this is probably the HDMI 1.2a Sony STR-DG810. It's a basic box but, as a bonus, it has 3 HDMI inputs.

moshock

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jan 15, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by rynberg /forum/post/12818540

The PS3 only sends multichannel PCM, so you only need a HDMI 1.1 receiver that processes multichannel PCM.

So what solid/inexpensive HDMI 1.1 receiver do you recommend?

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Originally Posted by SAVholic /forum/post/12818980

and even so it wont decode DTS-HD MA

I have my fingers crossed that the PS3 will be able to decode it in a future firmware upgrade.

B&W700guy

· #6 · Jan 15, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by moshock /forum/post/12817488

Okay, whoever can shed some insight here would be helping a large amount of people in similar scenarios. So, the average user with a PS3 assumes he needs a receiver with HDMI 1.3 that can decode DD TrueHD and DTS-HDMA to get the full effect of these new lossless codecs. However, I know this is NOT true. The PS3 can do the decoding of these new formats and send it to an older generation HDMI receiver. So, I have:

- Hitachi 1080i 50" Plasma

- DirecTV HR21

- 40GB PS3 (picking it up this week)

- Klipsch Cinema 6 satellites w/ Klipsch 10" sub

What non-HDMI 1.3 receiver would you guys recommend, as I really don't think it's worth spending double or triple to get a v1.3 receiver for my setup.

My goal:

- Use only HDMI cables

- Receive no loss in picture quality for either the HR21 or PS3

- Receive full Dolby Digital TrueHD and (hopefully with firmware update to PS3) DTS-HDMA in the future

You still need an HDMI 1.3 receiver to decode MA. Whats the problem buying a Receiver with HDMI 1.3, if you look around you can find them for a cheep price. I just paid 1,240.00 for a prepro with 1.3, fully loaded. I am sure you can find a 1.3 receiver just as cheep as a non 1.3 receiver. Check out Onkyo, Denon, yamaha

Jack Gilvey

· #7 · Jan 15, 2008

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I have my fingers crossed that the PS3 will be able to decode it in a future firmware upgrade.

It's certainly possible, and more likely than getting a bitstream update. As such, a PS3-based system won't benefit from 1.3. People are still confused by this.

The Yamaha 661 (1.2a) is excellent, can expand 5.1 LPCM to 7.1, and even has MC pre-outs. The Sony 810 mentioned above looks cool, also.

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moshock

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jan 16, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by B&W700guy /forum/post/12824311

You still need an HDMI 1.3 receiver to decode MA. Whats the problem buying a Receiver with HDMI 1.3, if you look around you can find them for a cheep price. I just paid 1,240.00 for a prepro with 1.3, fully loaded. I am sure you can find a 1.3 receiver just as cheep as a non 1.3 receiver. Check out Onkyo, Denon, yamaha

My problem is I don't want to spend $1,240.00! I also don't want to putz around with an Onkyo TX-SR605 and other low-priced v1.3 receivers that have dozens of known issues.

It is my understanding that if the PS3 does all the decoding, I will be able to get a v1.1 receiver and still hear full DD TrueHD and DTS-HDMA. Can someone confirm this right or wrong?

ken_sai69

· #9 · Jan 16, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by moshock /forum/post/12827636

My problem is I don't want to spend $1,240.00! I also don't want to putz around with an Onkyo TX-SR605 and other low-priced v1.3 receivers that have dozens of known issues.

It is my understanding that if the PS3 does all the decoding, I will be able to get a v1.1 receiver and still hear full DD TrueHD and DTS-HDMA. Can someone confirm this right or wrong?

Try the Pioneer VSX-92TXH

hxxp:// www.newyorkwholesaleaudiovideo.com/PIONEER-VSX-92TXHPIONEER-VSX-92TXHNEW-ARRIVAL-HURRY-LIMITED-P24490C1826.aspx

They are also having a 1018tx down the pipeline if you can wait a little bit.

samsurd2

· #10 · Jan 16, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by moshock /forum/post/12827636

My problem is I don't want to spend $1,240.00! I also don't want to putz around with an Onkyo TX-SR605 and other low-priced v1.3 receivers that have dozens of known issues.

It is my understanding that if the PS3 does all the decoding, I will be able to get a v1.1 receiver and still hear full DD TrueHD and DTS-HDMA. Can someone confirm this right or wrong?

Right

moshock

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jan 16, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by ken_sai69 /forum/post/12827705

Try the Pioneer VSX-92TXH

hxxp:// www.newyorkwholesaleaudiovideo.com/PIONEER-VSX-92TXHPIONEER-VSX-92TXHNEW-ARRIVAL-HURRY-LIMITED-P24490C1826.aspx

They are also having a 1018tx down the pipeline if you can wait a little bit.

Okay, I'm beginning to think some of you missed my point. First off, Onkyo has v1.3 receivers starting at $400. Therefore, if I were to get an older v1.1 model, I would want to spend less than that. Why would I spend $841 or $1240 when there are dozens of v1.3 models in that price range?

Does anyone have any recommendations on receivers in a lower pricerange that supports 2in/1out minimum hdmi v1.1 in the pricerange of $100-$250?

rynberg

· #12 · Jan 16, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by samsurd2 /forum/post/12827761

Right

WRONG! The PS3 cannot decode DTS-HD MA. It may with a future firmware update but that is certainly not guaranteed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by moshock /forum/post/12830154

Does anyone have any recommendations on receivers in a lower pricerange that supports 2in/1out minimum hdmi v1.1 in the pricerange of $100-$250?

Well good luck, start looking for used receivers on audiogon or ebay. All you're going to find is the non 1.3 version of the same cheap receivers you just complained about above.

moshock

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jan 16, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by rynberg /forum/post/12830484

Well good luck, start looking for used receivers on audiogon or ebay. All you're going to find is the non 1.3 version of the same cheap receivers you just complained about above.

So do you recommend just holding onto my Denon AVR-2805 and using optical until a new slew of v1.3 receivers comes out? If I can't get anything decent under $400, I may as well wait and pony up when I'm ready.

The Natural

· #14 · Jan 16, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by moshock /forum/post/12827636

My problem is I don't want to spend $1,240.00! I also don't want to putz around with an Onkyo TX-SR605 and other low-priced v1.3 receivers that have dozens of known issues.

It is my understanding that if the PS3 does all the decoding, I will be able to get a v1.1 receiver and still hear full DD TrueHD and DTS-HDMA. Can someone confirm this right or wrong?

lol great post.

B&W700guy

· #15 · Jan 16, 2008

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Quote:
Originally Posted by moshock /forum/post/12830154

Okay, I'm beginning to think some of you missed my point. First off, Onkyo has v1.3 receivers starting at $400. Therefore, if I were to get an older v1.1 model, I would want to spend less than that. Why would I spend $841 or $1240 when there are dozens of v1.3 models in that price range?

Does anyone have any recommendations on receivers in a lower pricerange that supports 2in/1out minimum hdmi v1.1 in the pricerange of $100-$250?

Its ok you don't understand it...

My complete quote

Quote:
Originally Posted by B&W700guy /forum/post/12830662

You still need an HDMI 1.3 receiver to decode MA. What’s the problem buying a Receiver with HDMI 1.3, if you look around you can find them for a cheep price. I just paid 1,240.00 for a prepro with 1.3, fully loaded. I am sure you can find a 1.3 receiver just as cheep as a non 1.3 receiver. Check out Onkyo, Denon, yamaha.

a) "I just paid 1,240.00 for a prepro with 1.3, fully loaded"

What I was talking about is that you get more bang for the buck with the new equipment. Not only HDMI 1.3, but, better video, more HDMI connectors, etc. People are selling their $3,000 to $6,000 piece of equipment for new product that has much more flexibility then Legacy for much less. It was just a general statement on the price and expanded features of new equipment compare to bleeding edge product.

I am just saying that you may want to take a harder look. I am not a Fan Boy of HDMI 1.3. You are not going to see me post "Why you don't need HDMI 1.4". It's progress. Some People don’t get that

b) "I am sure you can find a 1.3 receiver just as cheep as a non 1.3 receiver. Check out Onkyo, Denon, yamaha" I guess you missed this statement... I never told you to buy a $1,000 piece of equipment. Hey if you don't think the bang for buck is there for new product, buy a legacy piece of equipment. I was just trying to give you options.

On Sony coming up with a build for DTS-MA... I will believe it when I see it

By the way, thanks for posting the price you wanted to pay. You may want to add that to the beginning of your post

Peace

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moshock

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jan 16, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by B&W700guy /forum/post/12830975

Its ok you don't understand it...

My complete quote

a) "I just paid 1,240.00 for a prepro with 1.3, fully loaded":

What I was talking about is that you get more bang for the buck with the new equipment. Not only HDMI 1.3, but, better video, more HDMI connectors, etc. People are selling their $3,000 to $6,000 piece of equipment for new product that has much more flexibility then Legacy for much less. It was just a general statement on the price and expanded features of new equipment compare to bleeding edge product.

I am just saying that you may want to take a harder look. I am not a Fan Boy of HDMI 1.3. You are not going to see me post "Why you don't need HDMI 1.4". It's progress. Some People don't get that

b) I am sure you can find a 1.3 receiver just as cheep as a non 1.3 receiver. Check out Onkyo, Denon, yamaha: I guess you missed this statement... I never told you to buy a $1,000 piece of equipment. Hey if you don't think the bang for buck is there for new product, buy a legacy piece of equipment. I was just trying to give you options.

On Sony coming up with a buid for DTS-MA... I will believe it when I see it

Peace

It sounds like you are mad for wasting $1240.00.......

B&W700guy

· #17 · Jan 16, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by moshock /forum/post/12831011

It sounds like you are mad for wasting $1240.00.......

Ok...what medication did you forget to take?

Hey...I'm not feeling the love

ken_sai69

· #18 · Jan 16, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by moshock /forum/post/12831011

It sounds like you are mad for wasting $1240.00.......

$100-250 reciever, even without HDMI, are the lowest quality sector you could find. To that I mean the amp section of the reciever will be crap, the DAC section of the reciever will be crap. This totally defeat the point of using TureHD or DTSMA.

$1240 may not be chump change for some, but for sure it is reasonable to have a sneak peak at "higher" end sound, esp with all the latest tech packaged into it. I know ppl who are ditching their Anthem AVM-30 (4k for the Integra DTC-9.8 and never been happier.

Anyways.....good luck.

Citat3962

· #19 · Jan 16, 2008

I'm in the same boat as the OP.. I'd just like to be able to put my money into specific features without wasting it on others.

For example:

EVERY PS3 owner would love:

1. 2 HDMI inputs 1 Output

2. 7.1 LPCM support

3. 7.1 Speaker channels

4. a Few TosLink inputs

5. Two Composite and Two Component inputs and one output each

6. a Price below 300$

I'm really interested in piecing together a Decent system but I don't want to break the bank buying a Reciever with a Dozen features I'll never use.

However the bulk of replies you get to these kinds of queries are from people who don't flinch at plopping 1K+ on a single component. It's hard to understand someone who can't justify 50-100$ more when that amount is only a drop in the bucket.

I really think since there is a Market for Home Theatre In a Box systems there is a market for an affordable Reciever with no internal decoding or unnessisary preouts or other bells and whistles to clutter up the back and drive up the cost only to sit un used by the majority of users.

The way I see it the less I spend on the reciever the more I can spend on the speakers which are really going to contribute more to the sound quality than the Reciever will in this price bracket.

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moshock

Discussion Starter · #20 · Jan 16, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Citat3962 /forum/post/12834943

I'm in the same boat as the OP.. I'd just like to be able to put my money into specific features without wasting it on others.

For example:

EVERY PS3 owner would love:

1. 2 HDMI inputs 1 Output

2. 7.1 LPCM support

3. 7.1 Speaker channels

4. a Few TosLink inputs

5. Two Composite and Two Component inputs and one output each

6. a Price below 300$

I'm really interested in piecing together a Decent system but I don't want to break the bank buying a Reciever with a Dozen features I'll never use.

However the bulk of replies you get to these kinds of queries are from people who don't flinch at plopping 1K+ on a single component. It's hard to understand someone who can't justify 50-100$ more when that amount is only a drop in the bucket.

I really think since there is a Market for Home Theatre In a Box systems there is a market for an affordable Reciever with no internal decoding or unnessisary preouts or other bells and whistles to clutter up the back and drive up the cost only to sit un used by the majority of users.

The way I see it the less I spend on the reciever the more I can spend on the speakers which are really going to contribute more to the sound quality than the Reciever will in this price bracket.

That's exactly how I feel! I won't use 90% of the features of the damn receiver, I just need it to accept 2in/1out HDMI! That's it! My PS3 will be doing the audio decoding! I just can't justify dropping a grand on a new piece of hardware. Bleh!

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