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[Help] - SVS PB1000 or Klipsch R-112SW?

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kelm

Discussion Starter · Sep 10, 2019

Hi guys! How are you doing!?

I need some help to chose from this 2 subs, SVS PB1000 or Klipsch R-112SW!

My room is no that big, its small actually, 10x10.

I currently have 5.1.2 system based on DefTech ProCenter 2000, ProMonitor 1000(main), ProMonitor 800(surround), Polk RC60i as Atmos and Klipsch R-10SW plugged on Denon X2400H. Maybe next year i will upgrade the avr to new Denon X6600H or X6500H and add 2 new atmos speaker and moving to 5.1.4

But now im thinking about the sub. I do no have anything to complain about the overall sound that i have but the bass is not that bass, it there but something is missing...

So now i founs this battle between a 10" vs 12" sub. The PB1000 go deeper(19hz) but its a 10" woofer against a 12" woofer that goes down to 24hz. But im thinking about the energy that 12" usually have.

Did anyone here had this experience or have something to help me with?

And btw... sorry for my bad english, its not my native language!

Here is my room:
I Still have to build and enclose to hold the receiver and the sub and hide all those wires!

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indebtbassfreak

· #2 · Sep 10, 2019

Of those two choices id get the PB1000. It has deeper extension and a more reliable amp. Nice small space you have there should suit that sub nicely.

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rhelliott2

· #3 · Sep 10, 2019

Pb1000 ftw

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macgallant

· #4 · Sep 10, 2019

PB1000, eventually dual PB1000 would be amazing in a small room like that.

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Sn1per666

· #5 · Sep 10, 2019

PB-1000 all day

kelm

Discussion Starter · #6 · Sep 11, 2019

Thank you guys! I think this one is the best choice for now!

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zeuspaul

· #7 · Sep 11, 2019

Nice comfortable looking set up

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KurtCocain

· #8 · Sep 11, 2019

Looking into the future, if he gets 2 pb-1000, where would you advice him to position them? Both in the front?

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kelm

Discussion Starter · #9 · Sep 20, 2019

I cant find how to quote your messages but i would like to thank you for each one guys!

Now im waiting the PB-1000 and as soon as possible i post the results here!

See you soon!

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kelm

Discussion Starter · #10 · Oct 9, 2019

Guys, this PB-1000 is awesome! Much better than my previous sub, Klipsch R10SW. Its not a fair comparison but its the only reference i have for my room.

The bass fills everything with pressure and precision. Maybe the best sub i ever heard.

But something is bother me. Maybe some of you can help me with.

During Audyssey calibration process the sub volume is too LOW, you almost cant hear it even with sob volume dial set to 75%. The final results set que sub volume on receiver at +8.5db. As a comparison with the previous sub, Audyssey set the receiver sub volume at -12db with 50% of sub dial volume.

Do you know what im doing wrong? Or it how it should be?! Is this sub less sensitive than klipsch resulting on this low volume during Audyssey calibration?

Thank you once and sorry for my bad english. Hope you all can get it.

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macgallant

· #11 · Oct 9, 2019

kelm said:
Guys, this PB-1000 is awesome! Much better than my previous sub, Klipsch R10SW. Its not a fair comparison but its the only reference i have for my room.

The bass fills everything with pressure and precision. Maybe the best sub i ever heard.

But something is bother me. Maybe some of you can help me with.

During Audyssey calibration process the sub volume is too LOW, you almost cant hear it even with sob volume dial set to 75%. The final results set que sub volume on receiver at +8.5db. As a comparison with the previous sub, Audyssey set the receiver sub volume at -12db with 50% of sub dial volume.

Do you know what im doing wrong? Or it how it should be?! Is this sub less sensitive than klipsch resulting on this low volume during Audyssey calibration?

Thank you once and sorry for my bad english. Hope you all can get it.

bring up the gain on the subwoofer until Audyssey sets the levels around -11dB to -9dB

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indebtbassfreak

· #12 · Oct 9, 2019

kelm said:
Guys, this PB-1000 is awesome! Much better than my previous sub, Klipsch R10SW. Its not a fair comparison but its the only reference i have for my room.

The bass fills everything with pressure and precision. Maybe the best sub i ever heard.

But something is bother me. Maybe some of you can help me with.

During Audyssey calibration process the sub volume is too LOW, you almost cant hear it even with sob volume dial set to 75%. The final results set que sub volume on receiver at +8.5db. As a comparison with the previous sub, Audyssey set the receiver sub volume at -12db with 50% of sub dial volume.

Do you know what im doing wrong? Or it how it should be?! Is this sub less sensitive than klipsch resulting on this low volume during Audyssey calibration?

Thank you once and sorry for my bad english. Hope you all can get it.

Not sure how much of a difference the PB's gain structure is to other subs, but in that small space with it set at 75% having a return of +8.5 on the trim sounds way off. Either in a major null possibly an amp issue in the sub. I've read SVS likes their gain up higher so as mentioned max it out just to see what the trim comes back at. Hopefully your sub is just in a bad location. Have you tried a sub crawl yet?

KurtCocain

· #13 · Oct 10, 2019

kelm said:
During Audyssey calibration process the sub volume is too LOW, you almost cant hear it even with sob volume dial set to 75%. The final results set que sub volume on receiver at +8.5db. As a comparison with the previous sub, Audyssey set the receiver sub volume at -12db with 50% of sub dial volume.

This sounds a bit odd. Try what others have suggested in turning the PB1000's gain up. You should be able to get a decent output past the 12 o'clock position. The most I have experimented with mine is around 2 o'clock and that is too much.

Also, I have recently had an issue of a bad Audyssey mic. The mic had gone and I could never get proper levels. I do not think this is your case, but just to be sure, see if you plug your Klipsch sub back - in the same position PB1000 is now - whether Audyssey detects it properly.

indebtbassfreak

· #14 · Oct 10, 2019 (Edited)

As mentioned confirm if the PB1000's driver is in the same location the Klipsch's was (same distance from the wall) when you ran audyssey. Last time i was having problems with Audyssey (in my Integra AVR) doing a factory reset fixed it and bass was back, so maybe give that a try. Good point on the mic that can be confirmed by running audyssey with the Klipsch once again with it's driver in the exact location it was in before. Now this is just to experiment as subs with different port tunes can have different results in the same location.

If no improvement with trying "all" suggestions mentioned,,, give Ed Mullen a call at SVS USA as he knows everything about your new sub and may have more to offer.

Ferrari_1996

· #15 · Oct 10, 2019 (Edited)

kelm said:
Guys, this PB-1000 is awesome! Much better than my previous sub, Klipsch R10SW. Its not a fair comparison but its the only reference i have for my room.

The bass fills everything with pressure and precision. Maybe the best sub i ever heard.

But something is bother me. Maybe some of you can help me with.

During Audyssey calibration process the sub volume is too LOW, you almost cant hear it even with sob volume dial set to 75%. The final results set que sub volume on receiver at +8.5db. As a comparison with the previous sub, Audyssey set the receiver sub volume at -12db with 50% of sub dial volume.

Do you know what im doing wrong? Or it how it should be?! Is this sub less sensitive than klipsch resulting on this low volume during Audyssey calibration?

Thank you once and sorry for my bad english. Hope you all can get it.

I have a PB-1000. Before starting the calibration, set the gain to max so that when you start the calibration, it says that the subwoofer is too loud and asks you to adjust it until the on-screen meter reads ~75dB. When you get that screen, adjust the gain until you get a reading of ~80dB. I know that is above what you are being asked for, and it will show that it's too loud, but just continue with the calibration. After the calibration, let us know what it set the subwoofer trim to in the test tones section. Ideally you want it to have set the trim somewhere between -10 and -11.5. Then you can increase the trim by 5-6.5dB and still only be at a trim of -5 (it is recommended to not have a trim higher than -5 for the subwoofer). If you reach -5 and the bass isn't enough for your taste, increase the gain on the sub to taste.

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kelm

Discussion Starter · #16 · Oct 18, 2019

macgallant said:
bring up the gain on the subwoofer until Audyssey sets the levels around -11dB to -9dB

So, even with 100% on sub dial i barely hear it!

indebtbassfreak said:
Not sure how much of a difference the PB's gain structure is to other subs, but in that small space with it set at 75% having a return of +8.5 on the trim sounds way off. Either in a major null possibly an amp issue in the sub. I've read SVS likes their gain up higher so as mentioned max it out just to see what the trim comes back at. Hopefully your sub is just in a bad location. Have you tried a sub crawl yet?

I dont have different possibilities for sub position. Its on the same place where i set the Klipsch.

KurtCocain said:
This sounds a bit odd. Try what others have suggested in turning the PB1000's gain up. You should be able to get a decent output past the 12 o'clock position. The most I have experimented with mine is around 2 o'clock and that is too much.

Also, I have recently had an issue of a bad Audyssey mic. The mic had gone and I could never get proper levels. I do not think this is your case, but just to be sure, see if you plug your Klipsch sub back - in the same position PB1000 is now - whether Audyssey detects it properly.

Yes, i tried with 100% of sub dial and barely heard it. I set the Klipsch back and with 50% of dial sub is much louder than my SVS.

indebtbassfreak said:
As mentioned confirm if the PB1000's driver is in the same location the Klipsch's was (same distance from the wall) when you ran audyssey. Last time i was having problems with Audyssey (in my Integra AVR) doing a factory reset fixed it and bass was back, so maybe give that a try. Good point on the mic that can be confirmed by running audyssey with the Klipsch once again with it's driver in the exact location it was in before. Now this is just to experiment as subs with different port tunes can have different results in the same location.

If no improvement with trying "all" suggestions mentioned,,, give Ed Mullen a call at SVS USA as he knows everything about your new sub and may have more to offer.

Yes, as i told before on this quote. They are in the same position. Thinking about the factory reset.

Ferrari_1996 said:
I have a PB-1000. Before starting the calibration, set the gain to max so that when you start the calibration, it says that the subwoofer is too loud and asks you to adjust it until the on-screen meter reads ~75dB. When you get that screen, adjust the gain until you get a reading of ~80dB. I know that is above what you are being asked for, and it will show that it's too loud, but just continue with the calibration. After the calibration, let us know what it set the subwoofer trim to in the test tones section. Ideally you want it to have set the trim somewhere between -10 and -11.5. Then you can increase the trim by 5-6.5dB and still only be at a trim of -5 (it is recommended to not have a trim higher than -5 for the subwoofer). If you reach -5 and the bass isn't enough for your taste, increase the gain on the sub to taste.

So, my receiver is the Denon 2400 with MultiEQ XT and i does not have this options to fix the sub volume before Audyssey procedure. Its only available on MultiEQ XT32 witch is present on Denon 3X00 series and above!

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indebtbassfreak

· #17 · Oct 18, 2019

Are you getting aggressive driver movement when playing bass heavy demo clips or is the driver movement minimal no matter what? If there is little driver movement with its gain maxed out then imo you have either a bad amp in the sub or your avr needs a factory reset. If the reset has poor results then SVS will send you a new replacement amp which is easy to replace.

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kelm

Discussion Starter · #18 · Oct 18, 2019

indebtbassfreak said:
Are you getting aggressive driver movement when playing bass heavy demo clips or is the driver movement minimal no matter what? If there is little driver movement with its gain maxed out then imo you have either a bad amp in the sub or your avr needs a factory reset. If the reset has poor results then SVS will send you a new replacement amp which is easy to replace.

Yes. I have it but i need to use positive gains on avr otherwise the sub have almost no bass at all.

Im in contact with SVS and by the last e-mail i think they gonna send me a new amp. Today i will do the hard reset on my avr and pray to work it out.

Ferrari_1996

· #19 · Oct 18, 2019

I think something is wrong with your subwoofer, because of the following two things:

- Getting a trim of +8.5dB with 75% gain.
and most importantly...

even with 100% on sub dial i barely hear it

Keep us updated after you have replaced the amp.

darthray

· #20 · Oct 19, 2019 (Edited)

indebtbassfreak said:
Not sure how much of a difference the PB's gain structure is to other subs, but in that small space with it set at 75% having a return of +8.5 on the trim sounds way off. Either in a major null possibly an amp issue in the sub. I've read SVS likes their gain up higher so as mentioned max it out just to see what the trim comes back at. Hopefully your sub is just in a bad location. Have you tried a sub crawl yet?

Started with my PB13's at noon for sub gain as recommended, and end-up around 8:30 (since they were way too hot post calibration). With a result of -8dB for the subs (all other speakers around -6dB), after the Audessey XT32 calibration. A good point to be, since this way you can increase your level from your AVR, after calibration to your taste.

OP @kelm start at noon on the sub gain, and readjust from there after looking at your calibration level results.
A good number to achieve is -5dB to -10dB, this leave some play from your AVR to increase your bass level.
And by the way, your English writing skill are not that bad. And was easy to understand

So nothing to be excuse!!!

Darth

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