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I can pay 6k for a Sanyo XP21N. I like the high lumen output and MLA. I will be mostly displaying wide content. To display 4:3, I will require a 4:3 screen or a scaler to display 4:3 within 16:9. The scaler will also provide me with 3/2 pulldown.


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I can pay 6500 and wait a week or two until the (unreviewed) PLV-60 ships. It will display 4:3 squeezed in it's 16:9 display. It has 1300 lumens vs 2500 (XP21n), No MLA. It still does not have 3/2 pulldown so I would most likely have to save my pennies and buy a HTPC or Progressive DVD player.


Cmon folks! I need feedback from my fellow HT maniacs!
 

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From the reviews it does not seem the MLA is helping the XP21N picture anyway, so perhaps (?) we should not be concerned that the PLV-60 does not have MLA.

I expect the PLV-60 to be similar in picture quality to the Sony 10HT but with improved blacks (I hope!). Like some others on this forum, I am almost ready to order the PLV-60 without seeing the reviews. Seems the latest word is that Sanyo will be shipping the end of the month.
 

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I have heard many comments about the "screendoor" effect on these units. I have not seen the 18N (No MLA) but the pixels are barely noticeable on the 21N and I am presently only 9-10' away! My guess is the MLA is doing something good.
 

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I am going to keep the 21N. Bad scaler and all. The picture is bright, the blacks are deep and the screendoor is nearly zero. The same scaler resides in the PLV-60 so it will be no better. It will have a lot less light output and I am sure, a more visible pixel.
 

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You guessed right about the PLV60 internal processing... others say it is bad. That kills it for me.

Where is my plug & play projector for $7000 !!!!!!!!!?????

PS: Congrats on making a final purchase decision... many of us have not and so our frustration continues.
 

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Another thing, the particular 21N I have sems to have a perfect pixel panel. I paid 6K vs the usual 6500. I can pick up an Iscan pro for 500 to 600 if I shop around.
 

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Wvrich:

Could you provide some details of your installation? How big is the screen, what type (gain), how far back is the projector, etc.?


Do you find the unit too bright for night-time viewing?


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The search for the $7k plug-and play projector is not in vain.

Sanyo XP21 for $6k, Quadscan for $1k, plug everything into the Quadscan and play.


If you can find $500 for the iscan, please try to get the Quadscan instead.

When being fed XGA, this projector is phenomenal.


I have seen the XP18 vs the 21 and the MLA DOES make a difference in my opinion, not a $1300 one, but a noticable and apprecible one. IT seems tome that the 21 may have a bit louder fan though (but there is a minor fan buzzing problem with mine to boot, so take that into account).


I agree with the consensus that ANY of the Sanyo;s will need an external scaler, so budget in that extra $1k for a good one from the start.


Watching hockey at night, this projector (the 21n) kicks enough light into the room to make it seem light the room lights are on. I have never found it to be painful or washed out to look at, and that is what matter in my mind.


I think the screen door issue may be a personal thing, as it does not bother me at all, but others seems quite sensitive to it or distubred by it.


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"Sanyo XP21 for $6k, Quadscan for $1k, plug everything into the Quadscan and play."


OK, I will seriously consider this combination.

If the screen door is not worse than the Sony 10HT then I will be happy at last.
 

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"Sanyo XP21 for $6k, Quadscan for $1k, plug everything into the Quadscan and play."


OK, I will seriously consider this combination.

If the screen door is not worse than the Sony 10HT then I will be happy at last.
 

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My current installation is a temporary one while we build a functional addition to the house. One "function" will be a 11' x 20' (almost rectangular except for a small bathroom) windowless room as a home theatre/ music room. The temp setup is an AV cart with the 21N about 11' away from Sherwin williams flat luminous white wall. I guess the gain is .8 to .9. I am sitting at about the same distance as the 21N. I see no real screendoor unless I am trying to see it (I see 20/20). I can soften the focus and it disappears. The picture is a bit bright but I will wait to see when I expand it to a 96" wide screen. I may break down and buy a Grayhawk at some point. How does one attach a neutral density filter to the front anyway?
 

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PS: Why is the Quadscan better than the Iscan pro???
 

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Does the quadscan have a setting to support a Panamorph or ISCO lense? This would always use the full panel resolution, but allow for a 4:3 image in the middle of a 16:9 screen without removing the lense.


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I keep hearing about Quadscan for $1000.00. Where? I see them more like $1800! Where are the 1K Qscans???
 

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whats an RM. And what is meant by "B" stock?


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Why would the Quadscan be better than the iscan pro?


I'm no expert, and havent seen the iscan yet, but here are my thoughts.

There are two things that have to be done to your progressive NTSC or DVD image - motion processing/de-interlacing, AND scaling tothe resolution of the projector panel.


Both iscan and Quadscan do the former (the iscan probably better, due to a better chipset), but only the Quadscan does the latter.


Since we have all noted the Sanyo does a poor job of deinterlacing & scaling on it's own (bad internal scaler, right?), I personally figure the best external option is to relieve the Sanyo of as much processing as possible.


The Quadscan feeds my Sanyo a 1024X768 image that it just has to display, but little to no processing.

Demos are available through AVS- as long as they have a warranty be happy & buy- but make sure you get a warranty as they can be a bit flaky (mine burned out as have several) - if you are under warranty, Focus Enhancements are kick ass about service, quick & fast repairs.


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What would the iscan feed the sanyo??? Just VGA? SVGA? What?
 

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I know I keep going around and around here:


How much info does a DVD contain for the display? I realize it is 525 lines of Vert scan (480 is close). But what about the horizontal scan? Is there enough info there to fill 1024 pixels? When a DVD is digitized, how much digital info is stored? How many pixels across? Or maybe I should ask that about the MPEG 2 algorithm. What is the best a DVD can do on its horizontal resolution?

My point is if 640 pixels across is pretty close to displaying maximum DVD resolution, then any scaling is just mathematics adding zero new information. If no new info is being added then how would using the Iscan at 640x480p on my 1024x768 display hurt me?
 
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