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High pitch sound during Return of the King

3432 Views 28 Replies 13 Participants Last post by DSPNeon, Mar 7, 2005

sebrous

Discussion Starter · Feb 26, 2005

Heres something strange : I get a High pitch sound in Lord of the Rings the Return of the King. The place where i hear it the most is when Pippin sing is song to Denethor. It occur both in DTS and surrond 5.1 but its worst in DTS, in the teatrical version and in the extended cut. I've tried an other copie of the movie from one of my friend and its the same. The sound is extremely high an agressif it comes from every tweaker of every speaker. I have the JBL northridge serie. My AV receiver is a Yamaha HTR-5740.

I get the same problem in a cople of movies. For example it does the same in the last 15 min of : The day after Tomorrow.

Does anyone have a clue on what could cause that.

Its not the wire i've changed them.

Its not the dvd Player i changed it also.

Its not the cable it does it with both the Audio Coaxial and the Optical cable

its probably not the speakers i've cheked with an other one.

Could it be a setting in the AV receiver i've tried a lot of change but....

DOES ANYONE EAR THAT NOISE WATCHING THE RETURN OF THE KING ?

I'AM DESPERATE.

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craigdcan

· #2 · Feb 26, 2005

This seems to be a very common problem at the early stages of succumbing to upgradititus.

jcmccorm

· #3 · Feb 26, 2005

Ok, here's a reach for you. I went on the HT Cruise last year and listened to the guys from Mi Casa who worked on the LOTR audio for the DVDs (but not Return of the King). They said that there was a lot of 15KHz noise in the audio that they had to remove with a notch filter. It came from the horizontal sweep in all the monitors that were around when recording.

Personally, I didn't notice this, but I'll try and listen for it. Maybe you've just got excellent hearing and a system with good frequency response and the 15KHz stuff is really there.

Oh yeah, or maybe you just need to upgrade all of your stuff

Cary

sebrous

Discussion Starter · #4 · Feb 26, 2005

I seem to have a very good earing i can tell blindfolded if a tv is on or off when i enter in a house(the volume down of course). The RCA are the worst on the 15 mins after you turn it on. Anyway the high pitch sound in return of the King is very similar to the sound of a working monitor.

DOES ANYONE EAR THAT NOISE WATCHING THE RETURN OF THE KING ?

epsilon

· #5 · Feb 26, 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by sebrous

DOES ANYONE EAR THAT NOISE WATCHING THE RETURN OF THE KING ?

Turn it down, we can hear you loud and clear

I should turn this around and ask you: Can anyone else hear this on your system? Also, can you hear it on a different system?

sebrous

Discussion Starter · #6 · Feb 26, 2005

Some people hear it but my girl friend dont and she think i'am not well. I only get that sound when the sound is played on my AV receiver. I never had the chance to watch it on a decent sound system somewhere else.

Thanks

Ian Flux

· #7 · Feb 26, 2005

I actually just started a post on something similar to this earlier today. I have the JBL Northridge series and the Pioneer 1014. I hear some distortion when dialogue gets loud. I've heard it on a few different movies in DD and DTS. Like you, my girlfriend doesn't hear this. Anyway, I don't think it's the speakers. I get the same harshness on my headphones. Next I plan to to tweak the EQ settings to see if that works. It may, however, just be the sound engineering (although I can't believe the LOTR discs aren't engineered to near perfection). Good luck and let us know what you find.

b-mill

· #8 · Feb 26, 2005

I've heard exactly what you're talking about. To me it sounds like they muted the dialog tracks whenever there was any dialog, but as soon as someone speaks, or in this case Pippin sings, they have to bring that track back up and reintroduce that junky noise. If you listen carefully you can actually here it come in immediately before any line is sung or spoken. It's definitely in the 15k range as well, quite annoying if you have good hearing. I'm sure if someone with good RTA equipment took a look at this they'd see exactly what we're hearing.

mboy

· #9 · Feb 27, 2005

Has to be the LOTR disk as I have ther Pio 1014, SAME JBL northridge speakers and I have NEVER heard it on any of my DVDs ( Do not have any of the LOTR disks).

sebrous

Discussion Starter · #10 · Feb 27, 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by b-mill
I've heard exactly what you're talking about. To me it sounds like they muted the dialog tracks whenever there was any dialog, but as soon as someone speaks, or in this case Pippin sings, they have to bring that track back up and reintroduce that junky noise. If you listen carefully you can actually here it come in immediately before any line is sung or spoken. It's definitely in the 15k range as well, quite annoying if you have good hearing. I'm sure if someone with good RTA equipment took a look at this they'd see exactly what we're hearing.

What equipement to you have ?

AV Receiver

Speakers

b-mill

· #11 · Feb 27, 2005

I've got an Outlaw 950 pre/pro, Crown XLS amps, Swans 6.1 mains, an active DIY 3-way in-wall center (Usher 9950 tweet, crossed at 2.2k). My memory may be a little off here, but I don't remember the noise being as pronounced in the theatrical release, only on the extended cut. I haven't gone back and listened to the theatrical cut though, so I can't say definitively. It really jumped out in the extended cut. It also seems like some of the dialog in the extended or new scenes in all of the extended cuts is sub-par. The last scene on disc one of FOTR is especially rough, specifically when Boromir is talking, and then again when Gandalf is apologizing for speaking Mordor, or whatever it's called. It always made me wonder why they couldn't match the quality of the theatrical release when they did the extended scenes.

sebrous

Discussion Starter · #12 · Feb 27, 2005

I guess its perhaps because of the compression on the extended cut. Theres 7 sound tracks. But you mentionned something interrresting i've never heard this sound problem in any of the other movies so perhaps it could be a batch of defective dvds.

b-mill

· #13 · Feb 27, 2005

In the other extended cuts I'm not hearing the specific problem I heard in ROTK, just some sub-par audio production. I assume it's because the scenes were not used initially and had to be mixed at a seperate time, and even possibly a seperate studio than the theatrical cuts. Or perhaps it just wasn't cost effective to get things absolutely perfect, knowing that most of us who bought the extended cuts weren't necessarily concerned with the audio, it's the extra video footage we wanted. Whatever it is, it never really detracted from my viewing experience, it was just something that caught my ear. I would also doubt that it's a defective disc problem, due to the fact that it seems there aren't many people who have heard these issues. I don't claim to have golden ears, but my hearing is very good. 15kHz is certainly up there and not everyone is going to hear it as pronounced as some others do.

sebrous

Discussion Starter · #14 · Feb 27, 2005

Have you managed to do something with your settings to take out this awefull noise ?

Return of the King is one of my favorite movie and i get a headache each time i watch it.

I forgot to say it appears to be worst on the 1st Part.

Even if they made a mistake about the dialogs, the sound in the battle of the Pellenor Field is just incredible.

sebrous

Discussion Starter · #15 · Feb 27, 2005

Do anybody knows where we can make a complaint about this ? I beleive its a big deal for an Academy winner soundtrack.

jcmccorm

· #16 · Feb 27, 2005

I think you should post this question/issue in the DVD forum.

Cary

sebrous

Discussion Starter · #17 · Mar 2, 2005

Do anybody knows where we can make a complaint about this ? I beleive its a big deal for an Academy winner soundtrack.

gwsat

· #18 · Mar 2, 2005

I agree that posting a complaint about the LotR problem in the DVD Forum would be a good idea. Based on the posts here, I am convinced that the culprit is the soundtrack.

I watched LotR, RotK again a few weeks ago but did not hear the irritating high pitched sound sebrous described. But I'm getting long enough in the tooth that it's unlikely I would hear enough of a sound in the 15k frequency range to be bothered by it.

sethwas

· #19 · Mar 2, 2005

I've heard that telltale whine on some music CD's (classical recordings) too. I figured it's either a symptom of the player, the recording, or the room acoustcs.

Probably the recording.

Seth

bubbawilly

· #20 · Mar 2, 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by sebrous
Some people hear it but my girl friend dont and she think i'am not well.

That's too funny!

Girlfriends/wives just don't understand our obsession with this hobby.

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