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Anyone else seen these and thought they looked grainy? Its hard to see from 10' back or so but on larger solids (close up on face, etc) they still have a grainy texture.


Is this because of poor setup?


Other than that the set looks great!
 

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Originally posted by EricD
Anyone else seen these and thought they looked grainy? Its hard to see from 10' back or so but on larger solids (close up on face, etc) they still have a grainy texture.


Is this because of poor setup?


Other than that the set looks great!
Well, I can't speak to the HLN50, but if it is anything like my HLN617, then YES... the picture is very grainy. It seems to be a combination of issues including the screen material itself, space between pixels and pixels not really being on particular color but alternating between various colors to fool your eye. I've posted quite a few times on this, but since these are fairly new sets, no one has done any worthwhile tweaking to try to eliminate the issues.


Unfortunately it looks like you will be joining the rest of us in "sit and wait and wait and wait" mode until someone with the ColorFacts setup goes to the trouble of calibrating a set with the new guts.


'til then , try to view mostly HD content as some of the issues aren't as bad on that type of picture as opposed to DVD.


Later,

Jeff
 

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I'm in my 4th day of owning a 507, and "I see grainy people too."


I have a 7 day return policy, and I'm not sure if it's enough to return the set.


I really only see it with SD with a crappy feed. I'm getting digital installed today so I'll know more when I see it.


What I have tested and don't like is how bad VHS tapes are on this system. I almost want to take *my* VCR in and play it on a GW II or even a CRT to see the delta between units. I know it should be bad, but how bad should it be is the real question.


I've also found the only really good feed is my PC. I tried 3 different software DVD players, and one of them stands head and shoulders above the rest (don't remember which).


DVD movies played at 480i through PS2 do not look very good either. :/


Decisions, Decisions!


Bill
 

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I don't believe that it has to do with the setup.


I also have experienced the grainy issue. I think the problem is that the set it VERY unforgiving and gives a very good representation of what the source really looks like. Also, you are dealing with pixels, not lines. This takes away any chance of it having a soft picture like other displays.


I thought that a DVD on a good progressive player would be a good test for this tv. There are some DVD movies that look like total crapolla on my 507 (Backdraft is the worse so far, and Ballistic: X vs. Sever is the best)However, if you really look at it, it is a problem with either a really bad source, the encoding of the DVD, or both. MPEG1 and 2 in general have a very tough time with skin tones, and you get that globby, pixelly thing alot. DVD technology was not designed to look good on a set with this kind of resolution.


Sat TV, of course, is still just MPEG2. However, it is even worse since they choke it to cram more stuff on the satellite.


The best picture I have seen by far is our local PBS in high def. I mean WOW. It to me is what HD is supposed to be all about. Like looking out a window. However, again, there are some times that even HD can have a little pixel issue especially if it is an upconvert.


Look at it like this. Owning this TV is like having a really fast car and living in a suburban area. You never can really get on it. But, sometime, you hit an open stretch and WOW, it is awesome!!
 

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I have found that a lot of analog NTCS does look rougn on the HLN. I found that my Sony SAT-HD200, connected with DVI does generally produce a smoother picture from these broadcasts.


On the other side the analog from my C band big dish is quite acceptable when fed into the 4365. It seems that the deinterlacer performance is very source material dependent. I also feel that the PQ from my Sony non-progressive DVD, fed into the 480i component inputs, gives a great PQ without grain and looks very smooth and filmlike.


Given how great OTA HD stuff looks it isn't the DLP that is at fault, it is the up converting. I think a lot of people forget that non- HD video just doesn't have any more information to give. It's just a matter of how to make filling in the gaps look the best. I'm convinced that the schemes each chipset uses will look better on some material and worse on other. I also think that the picture sharpness and fine pixel pitch of the DLP make some anomolies stand out. But when we get more HD feeds, these assets of the DLP will stand out.


Cheers to CBS for their high percentage of HD broadcasts.


paul
 
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