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This sounds interesting. Can you tell me more about this please? I apologize for my ignorance.

He's talking about building a false wall by building out from the original wall. In some cases, people put actual tower speakers behind the wall and put the screen over it.



In my case, I built out the wall by framing it out of 2x8s and then I built three identical LCR speakers that fit into the openings of the false wall.






Then I covered it with a 120" AT screen.


 

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Ok thanks, that looks like a nice set up and allows many different configurations. I can have my HT do something like that.
 

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I was originally looking along the same lines as you, I originally built that false wall to hold some in wall brand names. But they were so expensive. I had all the parts laying around to build 3 DIY speakers called Stentorians. I decided to modify the design by changing the box dimensions without changing the volume. Being as that I had all the drivers and crossover parts sitting in an unopened box for years, the total cost to build those was only a couple sheets of 3/4" furniture grade plywood.
 

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This sounds interesting. Can you tell me more about this please? I apologize for my ignorance.
Sure thing check out this thread:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-dedicated-theater-design-construction/837848-minimalist-approach-screen-wall.html

Also check out my build thread in my signature.

I'm a nutshell your builder would just add some minmalist bracing to attaché the AT screen to. Then you build some panels above, below, and beside the screen (I used poplar wood and then wrapped it in black speaker cloth for the bottom panel (needed sound to get through) and also used triple black velvet on the top and side panels which helps with your projector contrast.

There is a wealth of knowledge and ideas in the dedicate theater forum if you want ideas. It happy to help anyway I can.
 

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I was originally looking along the same lines as you, I originally built that false wall to hold some in wall brand names. But they were so expensive. I had all the parts laying around to build 3 DIY speakers called Stentorians. I decided to modify the design by changing the box dimensions without changing the volume. Being as that I had all the drivers and crossover parts sitting in an unopened box for years, the total cost to build those was only a couple sheets of 3/4" furniture grade plywood.
Sounds like a killer deal. Being handy sure helped that work out well.

Sure thing check out this thread:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-dedicated-theater-design-construction/837848-minimalist-approach-screen-wall.html

Also check out my build thread in my signature.

I'm a nutshell your builder would just add some minmalist bracing to attaché the AT screen to. Then you build some panels above, below, and beside the screen (I used poplar wood and then wrapped it in black speaker cloth for the bottom panel (needed sound to get through) and also used triple black velvet on the top and side panels which helps with your projector contrast.

There is a wealth of knowledge and ideas in the dedicate theater forum if you want ideas. It happy to help anyway I can.
Ah that helps. His theater room is huge! Looks like you finally got yourself a nice set up you enjoy. Those monoliths are giant. Too bad you had to sell the vette but at least next time you can get a different color! :D
 

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I’d rather not blow money just for a pricier speaker but get a better performing speaker as you mentioned. I was originally going to go with the 7012 and that price you mentioned makes it very appealing. Looks like I got some more homework to do to find a better center channel and screen. Appreciate the input!



yes I love the tight bass instead of the bass all the time unnecessary rattle! I will check those subs out. I was thinking of doing two different sized subs for the different ranges. Thoughts on that? Should both be ported? I was going to do one ported and one not. I’m going to look at the RSL’s. I like that idea. What model do you suggest? Tell me more about the bass shakers, that sounds fun. Is that select seating or an add on item? I’m going to check out those totem kins, emotive and a couple others people have suggested.
You can integrate different subs but I would recommend not doing it if possible. It is easier to integrate multiple subs that have the same performance/specifications. If your room is sealed either ported or sealed subs will work but ported subs tend to have more volume at higher bass levels. But sealed can work well too and are smaller and easier to place.

These are the RSL Atmos inceiling:

https://rslspeakers.com/c34e-ceiling-speaker/

Don't be fooled by the price they are well build and offer wide dispersion. Wide dispersion and Atmos is important, especially with multiple rows as this effectively means you have Good coverage/sound in all your seats. Kef also makes excellent inceiling Atmos speakers due to their design. They just cost a lot more :)

The shakers are really fun, I have mine tuned so that they only send bass below 60hz to the chairs. This means they work great for an action movie but you won't notice them in non action scenes. You add them to the seat/couch of your choice by attaching them to the bottom or side of the chair frame. Prett simple to do. Can get into how you connect them to your main receiver but all you really need to do run is speaker wire from your rack where your receiver is to the riser.

This is an example of a basic setup. Very affordable I am using one Aura Sound Pro in each of my six chairs and just need one amp to power.

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-bsa-200-amp-with-4-aura-pro-bass-shakers-bundle--300-9022
 

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Sounds like a killer deal. Being handy sure helped that work out well.



Ah that helps. His theater room is huge! Looks like you finally got yourself a nice set up you enjoy. Those monoliths are giant. Too bad you had to sell the vette but at least next time you can get a different color! :D
Yes miss the Vette but am buying a Lotus Elise soon. This will be my dedicated fun/track car and I have wanted one since they came to the US in 2005.

Yes the Monoliths are big. If size is a concern there are some great sealed options from Ryhtmik, SVS, and PSA and Hsu. Look into the PSA S1811 and SVS SB16 and SB4000. Also the Hsu ULS15 is a very good sealed sub and duals are really affordable.
 

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Thanks for the info ack! That’s very helpful. I’m checking out the RSL now. I’ve started a whole list of things I need to check into. Going to be a busy day online tomorrow lol! The shakers do sound cool. I would probably only do them on the main seats though.
 

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Yes miss the Vette but am buying a Lotus Elise soon. This will be my dedicated fun/track car and I have wanted one since they came to the US in 2005.

Yes the Monoliths are big. If size is a concern there are some great sealed options from Ryhtmik, SVS, and PSA and Hsu. Look into the PSA S1811 and SVS SB16 and SB4000. Also the Hsu ULS15 is a very good sealed sub and duals are really affordable.
NO WAY! I just told my wife today that my next car was going to be a Lotus Elise. That was supposed to be my graduation gift to myself but we needed a family car more so it went there. As for space, size of the subs aren’t really an issue.
 

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NO WAY! I just told my wife today that my next car was going to be a Lotus Elise. That was supposed to be my graduation gift to myself but we needed a family car more so it went there. As for space, size of the subs aren’t really an issue.
Small world! If you have not seen this site they are an awesome resource to buy an Elise from. Spoken to them a few times on the phone and likely will by mine there:
https://www.wirewheel.com

Do some research and hit us up here if you have questions.
 

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I had a 5.1 system and have heard several 7.1 systems over the years. When I first upgraded to Atmos I did only 5.1.2 My friends and family when listened to my setup agreed that it was superior to 7.1. Since then I have upgraded my receiver and now run 5.2.4 and have no urge to upgrade further. If I was you in that stage of construction I would at minimum wire for 7.x.6. It gives you a much easier path to upgrade. Being in Atlanta there has to be places with Atmos demonstration rooms so you hear the differences yourself.
 

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I’m currently building my first home theater and as I delve into it, I find that it’s much more involved than I could have imagined. I have my layout and plan laid out below. Would you please provide your feedback and suggestions? I hired a HT specialist and he has finished the framing and the electrical and just passed inspection. Next week is insulation and dry wall. What I seem to need the most help with is the speakers. I was going to go with Klipsch Reference Premier series due to word of mouth reviews from friends. My HT guy is a dealer for Klipsch and Episode and states that Episodes are far superior. The reviews are few and the pricing hard to get due to them being dealer only. From what I have found so far the Episodes seem like pretty good speakers but not top of the line, which is fine by me. I want the best quality sound I can get within a reasonable budget and for the purpose I will include in the description below.

Room Dimensions: 12’Wx23’Lx9’H
Configuration: 7.2.2
AVR: Marantz SR7013

Speakers:
Front: Episode 900 series tower with 6 1/2” woofers
Center: Episode 900 series center channel ES-HT900-IWLCR-6 with dual 6 1/2” woofers
Surrounds:Episode 700 series LCR
Ceiling surrounds: Episode 700 series LCR in-ceiling ES-HT700-ICLCR
Subwoofers: Episode Evolution Series Powered Sub 12” and an Episode Evolution sealed sub ES-SUB-EVO8-110 10”
*I’m not locked into these subs. I’m also interested in comparing them with SVS, HSU, or Rhythmik.

My HT use: Action and comedy movies and streaming shows. I’m not concerned with listening to music.

Display: 106” Dragonfly Fixed 16-9 Ultra White Projection Screen with high gain and texture free
Projector: Epson 4K ProCinema 6040UB OR also thinking about going JVC line, I’m not sure on this.

Automation: RTI XP3 Control System Processor
Extras: Sanus CFR2127-B1 27U mount rack with shelves/fans,
Panasonic DP-UB820 4K Ultra HD blu-ray player, dubbed the next Oppo by High Def Digest, Tech Radar and AV Hub
Ultra Roku
Dedicated breaker and ethernet/modem

Now the painful part. All of this is coming with a heafty price tag of 19k.

$7.6k on the Episode speakers and $1.1k for the two subs for a total of $8.7k for all speakers. This is also after I asked him to reduce the price, which he did.

Can I find better speakers for this amount or less? My HT guy says he would put the episode subs up against SVS when I asked him but I don’t really believe that. SVS seems to have great subs. Problem is that I don’t know much anything about speakers so I don’t even know where to begin but I don’t to be wasting money or wishing I did this differently a few months down the road. I know that ON wall speakers are better for sound than IN wall speakers, however I also like the clean look of the in walls and that they have backboxes. I also have 5 kids so I don’t want them getting ahold of and damaging anything expensive. Anything else about my set up that needs attention?

Any help would be great!
I've owned a custom integration firm for over a decade, design theaters for many projects, and have done them all over the world. Your Home Theater guy is looking out for his wallet, not your theater.

Episode speakers are much more profitable than Klipsch to him. And that Dragon Fly screen, while a good product, is the highest margin screen on the market. Meaning = he makes the most money on it.

Episode and Dragon Fly are owned by the same distributor, SnapAV. Extreme margin for dealers which only gets better with volume. This month, dealers get an additional 20% off their cost when buying the screen and they offer huge incentives like that all the time.

IMO, this system is designed at that budget by an idiot, with the exception that he's smart in the sense that he'll be making at least $11,000 off of you. There isn't one single thing in that system that I would go for. Not the aestetics, screen size, screen type, speakers, receiver, projector. Remote.... that RTI is a total waste of Money for what you're doing.

BTW, I use SnapAV Dragon Fly screens quite a bit on entry level, non-high end stuff and I like them a lot. But, I discount them down to normal industry margin for my clients. I can also buy Episode speakers for my projects, but I don't think they are as nice as Klipsch (of which I am also a dealer). I also like Epson Projectors a lot and use them a ton, but the Margin in the 6040 is way higher than the 5040 even though they are identical machines for all intents and purposes..... which is why he is selling you that one.

IMO, fire the guy and interview other theater professionals. Bids like his really honk me off, if you can't tell. It's a super noobish design and people deserve better at that kind of money. I would have to guess this guy is an electrician or contractor by trade who got into doing theater stuff because he saw the money that can be made and is maximizing his profit.

If HT is his main business, he's sold out for profit instead of looking out for his clients best interest.
 

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I feel like you should be doing at least 7.2.4 at a bare minimum with the time/effort/money you're putting in and with that room size. You should definitely take a good hard look at your in-ceilings in terms of not only your primary viewing position but also your additional seating. I strongly feel that you will quickly regret x.x.2.

As for subs/speakers, I like Paradigm right now. Recently switched my whole setup over to them and am quite pleased (also happy to support a Canadian company). I think they're worth considering and having a listen to. Ultimately, it's whatever sound you like for your price range.

You listed action films as a core focus in your OP so I feel it's also worth strongly considering getting some of these for your seating. I got six several years ago; I was very nervous when I ordered them because of the price tag but ultimately found them to be life-changing and can't sing their praises enough.

Edit: If you don't mind me asking, how much of that price tag is for the HT consultancy?
Edit 2: Have you budgeted for acoustic treatment/room correction?
 

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Keep in mind, that Triad speakers within a series (Bronze, Silver, Gold etc) are designed to sound the same -- cabinet characteristics, driver placement, and crossovers are all adjusted to make each speaker sonically identical. So, for example, InRoom, InWall, OnWall, and even InCeiling speakers should match one another acoustically.
 

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Let me suggest RSL C34e in-ceiling speakers also... great bang for the price & also sound VG musically; I have 4 of them in my Revel 5.1.4 set-up

For the Subs several folks mentioned they indeed are the go-to brands here on AVS for several years... HSU, Rythmik, SVS & PSA (I personally have Outlaw Ultra X-12). For Speakers there are numerous choices and price points, good luck and some lower prices ones are favored here by many audio fanatics who have performed A/B testing. Good luck & enjoy the ride, its a fun hobby and don't get stressed, its YOUR system and no one else
 

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Small world! If you have not seen this site they are an awesome resource to buy an Elise from. Spoken to them a few times on the phone and likely will by mine there:
https://www.wirewheel.com

Do some research and hit us up here if you have questions.
I really like that Evora on that site! I encouraged my wife to check it out as well lol!

I had a 5.1 system and have heard several 7.1 systems over the years. When I first upgraded to Atmos I did only 5.1.2 My friends and family when listened to my setup agreed that it was superior to 7.1. Since then I have upgraded my receiver and now run 5.2.4 and have no urge to upgrade further. If I was you in that stage of construction I would at minimum wire for 7.x.6. It gives you a much easier path to upgrade. Being in Atlanta there has to be places with Atmos demonstration rooms so you hear the differences yourself.
Ok I will plan for 4 and wire for 6. That’s easy enough to change, thanks!

I've owned a custom integration firm for over a decade, design theaters for many projects, and have done them all over the world. Your Home Theater guy is looking out for his wallet, not your theater.

Episode speakers are much more profitable than Klipsch to him. And that Dragon Fly screen, while a good product, is the highest margin screen on the market. Meaning = he makes the most money on it.

Episode and Dragon Fly are owned by the same distributor, SnapAV. Extreme margin for dealers which only gets better with volume. This month, dealers get an additional 20% off their cost when buying the screen and they offer huge incentives like that all the time.

IMO, this system is designed at that budget by an idiot, with the exception that he's smart in the sense that he'll be making at least $11,000 off of you. There isn't one single thing in that system that I would go for. Not the aestetics, screen size, screen type, speakers, receiver, projector. Remote.... that RTI is a total waste of Money for what you're doing.

BTW, I use SnapAV Dragon Fly screens quite a bit on entry level, non-high end stuff and I like them a lot. But, I discount them down to normal industry margin for my clients. I can also buy Episode speakers for my projects, but I don't think they are as nice as Klipsch (of which I am also a dealer). I also like Epson Projectors a lot and use them a ton, but the Margin in the 6040 is way higher than the 5040 even though they are identical machines for all intents and purposes..... which is why he is selling you that one.

IMO, fire the guy and interview other theater professionals. Bids like his really honk me off, if you can't tell. It's a super noobish design and people deserve better at that kind of money. I would have to guess this guy is an electrician or contractor by trade who got into doing theater stuff because he saw the money that can be made and is maximizing his profit.

If HT is his main business, he's sold out for profit instead of looking out for his clients best interest.
Great info. He’s a HT guy primarily but does contractor work too. His bid for just equipment as listed was 19k and the build out is another 10k. It’s way over what I wanted to pay and will start looking at other options. I’m sure he knows that I don’t know much about this and smells loot. Can I ask why not use RTI? I’m still trying to learn all this stuff. I actually liked the review on the Marantz and suggested that to him except I said the SR7012 and he wanted to sell me the sr7013. What would you think is better suited? Thanks!

I feel like you should be doing at least 7.2.4 at a bare minimum with the time/effort/money you're putting in and with that room size. You should definitely take a good hard look at your in-ceilings in terms of not only your primary viewing position but also your additional seating. I strongly feel that you will quickly regret x.x.2.

As for subs/speakers, I like Paradigm right now. Recently switched my whole setup over to them and am quite pleased (also happy to support a Canadian company). I think they're worth considering and having a listen to. Ultimately, it's whatever sound you like for your price range.

You listed action films as a core focus in your OP so I feel it's also worth strongly considering getting some of these for your seating. I got six several years ago; I was very nervous when I ordered them because of the price tag but ultimately found them to be life-changing and can't sing their praises enough.

Edit: If you don't mind me asking, how much of that price tag is for the HT consultancy?
Edit 2: Have you budgeted for acoustic treatment/room correction?
Yeah I’ve decided to go with 4 in-ceilings. You guys have convinced me! So I looked at that actuator and not really sure what it does. It seems like a seat vibrator in sync with the movie action, is that grossly oversimplied? I’m set up like the OP of that thread, my HT will be in my basement over concrete/carpet but will have one riser in the back. I don’t mind sharing the pricing, I could probably even black out some info and post the consult here if that’s allowed, but basically it’s a little shy of $19k for the equipment and just under $10k for the build out from scratch. That also include rockwall and extra batting for sound proofing.

Keep in mind, that Triad speakers within a series (Bronze, Silver, Gold etc) are designed to sound the same -- cabinet characteristics, driver placement, and crossovers are all adjusted to make each speaker sonically identical. So, for example, InRoom, InWall, OnWall, and even InCeiling speakers should match one another acoustically.
Good to know, I’m learning a lot from everybody here.

Let me suggest RSL C34e in-ceiling speakers also... great bang for the price & also sound VG musically; I have 4 of them in my Revel 5.1.4 set-up

For the Subs several folks mentioned they indeed are the go-to brands here on AVS for several years... HSU, Rythmik, SVS & PSA (I personally have Outlaw Ultra X-12). For Speakers there are numerous choices and price points, good luck and some lower prices ones are favored here by many audio fanatics who have performed A/B testing. Good luck & enjoy the ride, its a fun hobby and don't get stressed, its YOUR system and no one else
Yeah seems like it’s time for me to dump the episodes and find a replacement. Thanks for the advice!
 

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I really like that Evora on that site! I encouraged my wife to check it out as well lol!
Yeah I’ve decided to go with 4 in-ceilings. You guys have convinced me! So I looked at that actuator and not really sure what it does. It seems like a seat vibrator in sync with the movie action, is that grossly oversimplied? I’m set up like the OP of that thread, my HT will be in my basement over concrete/carpet but will have one riser in the back. I don’t mind sharing the pricing, I could probably even black out some info and post the consult here if that’s allowed, but basically it’s a little shy of $19k for the equipment and just under $10k for the build out from scratch. That also include rockwall and extra batting for sound proofing.

That's basically it but they're meant to handle extreme low freqs in the low sub-bass / sub-audible range. Kinda like "sub-woofers" for your sub-woofers (that's a gross oversimplification but hopefully it makes sense XD).


If you're in the basement don't forget a radon check before you build, if you haven't been tested yet. I'm guessing you'll be spending a lot of time in there and last thing you'd want is to have to do a mitigation after everything's finished.
 

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That's basically it but they're meant to handle extreme low freqs in the low sub-bass / sub-audible range. Kinda like "sub-woofers" for your sub-woofers (that's a gross oversimplification but hopefully it makes sense XD).


If you're in the basement don't forget a radon check before you build, if you haven't been tested yet. I'm guessing you'll be spending a lot of time in there and last thing you'd want is to have to do a mitigation after everything's finished.
Ok cool, yeah ack also suggested seat rattlers too. My house is only two years old, is that still a concern with radon? I havent heard anything about that.
 

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Ok cool, yeah ack also suggested seat rattlers too. My house is only two years old, is that still a concern with radon? I havent heard anything about that.

Might. Depends if the home was built with mitigation already. Newer homes have been better about that lately and I know most states have radon guidelines or something in order to sell a home. Online it says test kits are only $10 in Georgia though so prolly worth it even if just for the peace of mind. North America in general is a radon hotbed. I thought my place'd be ok and the levels ended up being through the roof. Got them down to near nothing for pretty cheap though.



Totally up to the individual home owner, I just like to ere on the side of caution. I also keep a carbon monoxide alarm by the theater since if there was ever a place that sorta thing would catch me off guard, it's when I'm binge watching/playing something in a comfy couch.
 
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