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I have an older Onkyo SRX601 and it does not have HDMI inputs. That being said. I have a HD Cable box, a Samsung BD-P3600 Blu-ray player & an XBOX360.

I want to obviously be able to hear Cable TV threw the TV or the Receiver (Whichever I feel like at the time) The blu-ray player threw the receiver. I know how to hook it all up, but what im not sure of is If i use HDMI and go to the TV, then from the TV use Optical out and the composite? Or do I go Composite from the Blu-ray player and optical right to the receiver?

I just want everything hooked up the BEST way possible. Can someone guide me please? I appreciate it.
 

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If you do composite for the audio, you may get a slight lag in audio. I did when I first got my bluray before my home theatre system. I had to switch it out for an optical cable. Try to stick with digital signals
 

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Originally Posted by EpicBeardMan /forum/post/18230577


I just want everything hooked up the BEST way possible. Can someone guide me please? I appreciate it.

If you want surround sound, just run the optical from all the devices to your receiver, and HDMI from the cable box and the blu-ray to the tv, and component from the xbox 360 (unless you have the adapter that will let you run HDMI and optical). Set the devices to output audio using the optical out if necessary. Then just turn the speakers off in the tv menu, or turn the tv volume all the way down.

The optical output from the TV is downgraded to 2-channel stereo for any digital source input. You may have to set the delay on your receiver to handle any lip sync issues caused by the video processing. Mine is at about 60ms.
 

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So you are saying the Cable box,Blu-ray should be optical out to the receiver in. then from blue-ray and cable HDMI out to TV in. (xbox i can figure out)


This seems ok, but what happens if I just want to watch TV without the receiver and everything on, I wont have sound from the TV speakers anymore or I still will?


Also if I set it up this way and have the blu-ray HDMI to TV and Opitcal to the receiver, isn't HDMI audio also? Why would I have HDMI Audio going from blu ray to the TV and optical audio going to the Receiver? How does it know which audio to use? Confused there.


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So you are saying the Cable box,Blu-ray should be optical out to the receiver in. then from blue-ray and cable HDMI out to TV in. (xbox i can figure out)


This seems ok, but what happens if I just want to watch TV without the receiver and everything on, I wont have sound from the TV speakers anymore or I still will?


Also if I set it up this way and have the blu-ray HDMI to TV and Opitcal to the receiver, isn't HDMI audio also? Why would I have HDMI Audio going from blu ray to the TV and optical audio going to the Receiver? How does it know which audio to use? Confused there.


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Your HDMI cables carry picture and sound to the tv, so all you need to do when you don't want to use the receiver is turn up the tv volume.


You're only connecting audio to the receiver using the optical audio out from your source devices, so all you need to do is select the appropriate optical input on the reciever for the device you're watching. You may need to go into the setup menu for your BD player and for your cable box to configure the digital format (5.1 or 2 channel) for their digital optical outputs. The HDMI outputs will automatically set themselves to 2 channel during the HDMI handshake with the tv.


If controlling all this sounds a little daunting what with having to deal with 3 remotes (one for tv, one for BD player, and one for receiver) I'd strongly suggest you look into purchasing one of the Logitech Harmony series of remote controls--with one of these even your most technophobic family member will have no problems at all controlling your system.


I used to insist on being able to use all of my source devices without having to fire up the whole system but that ended as soon as I gave up my last crt based rptv with it's 6 speaker sound system. The speakers in most flat panels are so anemic it's actually annoying even to watch the news.
 

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Yes, I think that's the best way.


1) Cable box to TV via HDMI

2) Blu ray to TV via HDMI

3) TV optical audio out to receiver


That's all the cables and connections you'll need. Audio will be carried directly to the TV, and also passed thru to the receiver. If you want to use TV speakers, just turn your receiver off. If you want to use external speakers, turn the receiver on. Switching sources will be handled all through the TV.
 

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Cant I just go HDMI from the cable box and blue ray to the TV, then OPTICAL OUT from the TV to the receiver?

Look at page 13 in your TV's owner's manual. It states that audio from a source device connected to the tv via HDMI will only be output in 2 channel from the tv's optical digital out, and that to obtain 5.1 from the source device you need to use digital cables from the source device to the receiver.
 

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Damn so I have to do it the original way stated above in the first reply?


I don't think my receiver has a setting for Lip Syncing I have the Onkyo TX-SR601


Does anyone know? Thank you
 

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Does anyone know if there is any way to get rid of lip syncing without me buying a new receiver or hooking it up in a different way?
 

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You may have no or very little lip sync problems with the HDMI into tv and Opticals into receiver as outlined above by Dedalus007. I have mine set up that way, and 98%of the time experience no lip sync with no delay settings on my receiver. Just try it and see.


Be sure to set the audio outputs on your things to bitstream when using optical cables. Change the input selector on both the tv and the receiver as necessary to access each item. I always use my surround system and disable the tv's audio output. If you want tv sound sometimes (why?) just turn the sound to 0 when using the surround system and turn it up when you want tv sound and don't turn the receiver on.


HDMI will provide sound to the tv. Component will require the red/white audio connections along with the r/g/b component, but most component cables come in the 5 cable bundle.
 

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You can adjust the speaker distance in the receiver right? 1.125ft equals one millisecond, so you can use this setting in the receiver to adjust for lip sync delays... not perfect, but it works.
 

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turn off the motion plus in the tv settings and the audio sync will be fixed. Its the extra processing thats making it delayed.
 

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Your 601 is 7 years old. No matter how it's connected you're not going to get Dolby Tru HD, DTS MA, or any other "lossless" audio format to match the gorgeous picture from that new Uberset/BD player. New receivers with full HDMI functionality aren't stratospherically priced.
 

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Your 601 is 7 years old. No matter how it's connected you're not going to get Dolby Tru HD, DTS MA, or any other "lossless" audio format to match the gorgeous picture from that new Uberset/BD player. New receivers with full HDMI functionality aren't stratospherically priced.


While in general I agree that the OP should have a new receiver on his "wish list", after dropping ~$3,000 on a new TV he may not want to spend extra money on a new receiver right now.


While "full" HDMI receivers aren't terribly expensive, the OP might want a receiver with Audyssey MultiEQ Xt, which pushes the cost of the receiver up to at least $1,000 street price (Onkyo 1007).


People like the lossless audio sound quality and the OP will get that at some point. But he wants to save some money right now by using what he has.
 

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Spyboy, wow is this my wife? LOL


I couldnt have said it better. I just spent a lot of money and my wife will flip out lol.


I just want it to work correctly with what I have for now. What about 1.4HDMI would that help with lip sync? I am just hopeing I dont have that issue.
 

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Spyboy, wow is this my wife? LOL


I couldnt have said it better. I just spent a lot of money and my wife will flip out lol.


I just want it to work correctly with what I have for now. What about 1.4HDMI would that help with lip sync? I am just hopeing I dont have that issue.


Dude, I wish I could help you more, but I just don't have anything to add to what others have suggested.


Seems like you have a few things to try and then let us know what worked. There are times you just make do with a work-around till you are comfortable with spending for an upgrade.


Someone else will be in a better position to answer your question about HDMI 1.4. What little I know about 1.4 is that it has greater bandwith and is faster. What, if anything, that has to do with lip-synch, I just don't know.
 

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As a rule there's no video processing induced audio lag when using the tv's own speakers when using HDMI, which would seem to indicate that either the tv or the BD player is automatically applying some kind audio delay to synch things up. It would be logical to assume that this delay is also applied to audio out from the tv's optical digital output.


For this reason, in the OP's scenario, if significant audio synch problems do occur running optical digital from source devices to his receiver it would be logical to go HDMI to the tv for all source devices and optical out from the tv for audio. Since only 2 channel will come out of the tv's optical out he should set his receiver to apply Dolby Pro Logic 2 to the audio coming from the tv. This isn't as good as descrete but could be an acceptable work around until he's ready to upgrade his receiver.


This is actually how I set up my brother-in-laws system in late '08 when he bought his Panny plasma. In that case it was not due to audio synch problems but the fact that his 6 year old Panasonic HTIB only had one optical input. He's far from being an audiophile and has been happy with this setup for quite a while now. All he really cares about is the fact that his audio is significantly better than the TV speakers alone. On a side note he did nothing special to baby the tv other than leaving it in Standard rather than Vivid mode and there isn't the slightest sign of burn in.
 

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I have an older Onkyo SRX601 and it does not have HDMI inputs. That being said. I have a HD Cable box, a Samsung BD-P3600 Blu-ray player & an XBOX360.

I want to obviously be able to hear Cable TV threw the TV or the Receiver (Whichever I feel like at the time) The blu-ray player threw the receiver. I know how to hook it all up, but what im not sure of is If i use HDMI and go to the TV, then from the TV use Optical out and the composite? Or do I go Composite from the Blu-ray player and optical right to the receiver?

I just want everything hooked up the BEST way possible. Can someone guide me please? I appreciate it.

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