I believe most articles quote between 4 and 6 percent. I'm not sure if there is anyone with a definite actual number.
I believe most articles quote between 4 and 6 percent. I'm not sure if there is anyone with a definite actual number.
How many HDM DVDs were sold in 2007?
I'm curious, how many HDM (both formats included) were sold compared to SD DVDs? I'm probably looking for a percentage. I think it's under 10%.
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and while you're at it I'm curious as to how many SD DVD's were sold in 1997 as compared to VHS.
Get those two figures and then we can compare them.
Get those two figures and then we can compare them.
after you factor in % of HD display owners
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Originally Posted by gnj1958 /forum/post/12836526
and while you're at it I'm curious as to how many SD DVD's were sold in 1997 as compared to VHS.
Get those two figures and then we can compare them.
after you factor in % of HD display owners
Totally different era and scenario and two radically different technologies compared to HDM vs. SD... HDM vs. SD is WAY more minimal in differences overall than going from VHS to SD IMO...WAY more different.
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Originally Posted by gnj1958 /forum/post/12836526
and while you're at it I'm curious as to how many SD DVD's were sold in 1997 as compared to VHS.
Get those two figures and then we can compare them.
Totally different era and scenario and two radically different technologies compared to HDM vs. SD... HDM vs. SD is WAY more minimal in differences overall than going from VHS to SD IMO...WAY more different.
According to this article both formats combined for a whopping total of .59% of the market. The consumers have spoken and they are still choosing DVD.
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...35725380.shtml
Evidence suggests that consumers haven't taken much notice of the upgraded DVD formats. Last year, 2.4 billion standard DVDs were sold, compared with 14.2 million Blu-ray and HD DVD discs combined, according to British research firm Screen Digest.
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...35725380.shtml
Evidence suggests that consumers haven't taken much notice of the upgraded DVD formats. Last year, 2.4 billion standard DVDs were sold, compared with 14.2 million Blu-ray and HD DVD discs combined, according to British research firm Screen Digest.
Ayup. DVD is going to be a beast to overcome. It's just gotten to the point it's cheap, efficient, stable, and universal.
Especially when you throw in some of the junk the studios are releasing on HDM that barely looks any different compared to the DVD version. That's no way to push consumers to dropping $400+ on a player.
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Originally Posted by diggumsmax /forum/post/12836554
According to this article both formats combined for a whopping total of .59% of the market. The consumers have spoken and they are still choosing DVD.
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...35725380.shtml
Evidence suggests that consumers haven't taken much notice of the upgraded DVD formats. Last year, 2.4 billion standard DVDs were sold, compared with 14.2 million Blu-ray and HD DVD discs combined, according to British research firm Screen Digest.
Ayup. DVD is going to be a beast to overcome. It's just gotten to the point it's cheap, efficient, stable, and universal.
Especially when you throw in some of the junk the studios are releasing on HDM that barely looks any different compared to the DVD version. That's no way to push consumers to dropping $400+ on a player.
0.59% huh. That's pretty pathetic. Factor in the fade away of HD DVD and a slowing US economy and next year might be 0.60%. Can HDM survive with such small penetration?
Sure it will survive. The whole impetus for ending the format war is to allow consumers to get off the fence. Consumers do not like confusion and this format war was nothing but a large sca;e confusion.
Amusing. More figures would be interesting. Were the sales higher in December than January? What's the trend? When there was a choice between HDM and DVD, what were the sales figures?
There's just too little information to make anything other than vague and unverifiable predictions. Let's see what happens during 2008 and the period leading up to Holiday 2008.
There's just too little information to make anything other than vague and unverifiable predictions. Let's see what happens during 2008 and the period leading up to Holiday 2008.
Some weird numbers here. Let's not forget that DVD has a ton of catalogue stuff getting blown out for sub $10 (and many for sub $5).
I am far more interested in how many copies of a specific title sold on HDM versus DVD.
e.g. Transformers on HD-DVD versus DVD
300 on both BLu-Ray and HD-DVD versus DVD
Diehard 4 etc, etc...
I think it is only fair to compare the sub 400 titles on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD or the total titles between them versus the titles available on DVD.
There are what, 800 titles or so between HD-DVD and BLu-Ray to almost 100000 different DVDs (if you include TV shows, documentaries, etc).
There are what 75000-80000 movies on DVD versus sub 1000 on HDM. Hard to get a good guestimate of actual marketshare with this sort of scenario.
I am far more interested in how many copies of a specific title sold on HDM versus DVD.
e.g. Transformers on HD-DVD versus DVD
300 on both BLu-Ray and HD-DVD versus DVD
Diehard 4 etc, etc...
I think it is only fair to compare the sub 400 titles on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD or the total titles between them versus the titles available on DVD.
There are what, 800 titles or so between HD-DVD and BLu-Ray to almost 100000 different DVDs (if you include TV shows, documentaries, etc).
There are what 75000-80000 movies on DVD versus sub 1000 on HDM. Hard to get a good guestimate of actual marketshare with this sort of scenario.
Those numbers will have to pickup quick. Didn't apple just announce 7 million downloads in less than a year?
Not trying to get the download vs Disk fight started, as I think both can survive, but it is a different world. ********** was not around when DVD was born, so HDM will have to overcome the youth *pirate* movement.
You and I may agree that the quality may not be the same, but only us AVS'ers care about that.
Warner may have moved cause they knew they needed all guns for this fight. Total different situation now as when DVD started.
Not trying to get the download vs Disk fight started, as I think both can survive, but it is a different world. ********** was not around when DVD was born, so HDM will have to overcome the youth *pirate* movement.
You and I may agree that the quality may not be the same, but only us AVS'ers care about that.
Warner may have moved cause they knew they needed all guns for this fight. Total different situation now as when DVD started.
Well Transformes sold something like just over 8 million disk in the FIRST WEEK on SD DVD
I think its sold maybe 200,000 copies in HD..
"300" on DVD sold just over 7 million SD DVD's in its first week.
Probably 300,000 combined on both HD DVD and BR.
Pretty sad
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Originally Posted by Zoo /forum/post/12841788
Some weird numbers here. Let's not forget that DVD has a ton of catalogue stuff getting blown out for sub $10 (and many for sub $5).
I am far more interested in how many copies of a specific title sold on HDM versus DVD.
e.g. Transformers on HD-DVD versus DVD
300 on both BLu-Ray and HD-DVD versus DVD
Diehard 4 etc, etc...
I think it is only fair to compare the sub 400 titles on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD or the total titles between them versus the titles available on DVD.
There are what, 800 titles or so between HD-DVD and BLu-Ray to almost 100000 different DVDs (if you include TV shows, documentaries, etc).
There are what 75000-80000 movies on DVD versus sub 1000 on HDM. Hard to get a good guestimate of actual marketshare with this sort of scenario.
Well Transformes sold something like just over 8 million disk in the FIRST WEEK on SD DVD
I think its sold maybe 200,000 copies in HD..
"300" on DVD sold just over 7 million SD DVD's in its first week.
Probably 300,000 combined on both HD DVD and BR.
Pretty sad
This helps...
From my poor math skills that is 2.5% of Transformers and about 4.3% for 300
I agree that it is pretty sad but 2-4% is better than the sub 1% some have been suggesting. I wonder what comparables will be like in 6-12 months with more hardware and software sales. If HDM titles can sell to about 10% of SD-DVD sales by Christmas 2008 then I think we are going in the right direction.
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Originally Posted by grif32 /forum/post/12843193
Well Transformes sold something like just over 8 million disk in the FIRST WEEK on SD DVD
I think its sold maybe 200,000 copies in HD..
"300" on DVD sold just over 7 million SD DVD's in its first week.
Probably 300,000 combined on both HD DVD and BR.
Pretty sad
This helps...
From my poor math skills that is 2.5% of Transformers and about 4.3% for 300
I agree that it is pretty sad but 2-4% is better than the sub 1% some have been suggesting. I wonder what comparables will be like in 6-12 months with more hardware and software sales. If HDM titles can sell to about 10% of SD-DVD sales by Christmas 2008 then I think we are going in the right direction.
I view DVD like a great oak tree, with HD DVD and Blu-ray two saplings fighting for sunlight and water near that great oak. Most farmers would understand that pulling one of them out would likely help the other one grow, since the two saplings wouldn't be choking each other so much, but if one gets pulled then the other still has a long ways to go to be anything like the great oak and may never get there.
I know it is easy to look at a great oak and say that a sapling is nothing in comparison, but I want to know how big that great oak was at the same age. I know there are differences between the fight in 1999 and the fight now, like whether rentals were available, how much improvement there was over the previous format, etc., but I still think comparing them around the same age is relevant. While not software sales, this table:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...advdsales.html
gives shipments for DVD players going back a while. It shows 315k for the first partial year and just under 1.1 million for the 2nd year (a full year). Not sure how many of those sold, but I'm guessing it was over 1 million by the end of 1998. It looks like it launched about a month earlier in its year than HD DVD did and about 3 months earlier than Blu-ray, so those formats aren't quite as old as DVD was in January of 1999.
Starting with HD DVD, they have said close to a million for dedicated players, but not sure what region that is for or how many laptops with HD DVD drives there are. But in any case, looks like they are likely a little behind where DVD was at the same age as far as players sold. Blu-ray is more complicated because of the multipurpose machines, but the software sales support that Blu-ray either has more players in use than HD DVD, or sells more software per player in use (where players in use doesn't count PS3s that aren't used for Blu-ray movies or laptops for either side that aren't used for movies in HD DVD or Blu-ray). So as far as effective players vs HD DVD if we standardize the number of discs that represent an effective player, ahead of HD DVD's pace.
That is for hardware. For software I believe that both formats are probably a fair amount behind where DVD was at the same age. If there were any rentals around back then it wasn't like now, where many people buy players to mostly play discs they rent. I don't have any numbers for discs sold handy, but from what I recall it does seem like DVD was reporting much higher numbers for the end of 1998 than these formats have reported for Since Inception sales, but it gets complicated when some of the numbers are shipped instead of sold.
In some ways I'm amazed at how much these formats have taken of the market in the midst of a war compared to where DVD was at the same age, despite people pulling out the numbers of a mature format (DVD) against very young formats (HD DVD and Blu-ray). If somebody asked me whether I thought a particular 4 year old might end up being a great football player I sure wouldn't claim he couldn't be because he is so much weaker than somebody currently in the NFL. I might look at where the 4 year old is compared to where that NFL player was at 4.
--Darin
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Originally Posted by anotheraviator /forum/post/12836820
Ayup. DVD is going to be a beast to overcome.
I view DVD like a great oak tree, with HD DVD and Blu-ray two saplings fighting for sunlight and water near that great oak. Most farmers would understand that pulling one of them out would likely help the other one grow, since the two saplings wouldn't be choking each other so much, but if one gets pulled then the other still has a long ways to go to be anything like the great oak and may never get there.
I know it is easy to look at a great oak and say that a sapling is nothing in comparison, but I want to know how big that great oak was at the same age. I know there are differences between the fight in 1999 and the fight now, like whether rentals were available, how much improvement there was over the previous format, etc., but I still think comparing them around the same age is relevant. While not software sales, this table:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...advdsales.html
gives shipments for DVD players going back a while. It shows 315k for the first partial year and just under 1.1 million for the 2nd year (a full year). Not sure how many of those sold, but I'm guessing it was over 1 million by the end of 1998. It looks like it launched about a month earlier in its year than HD DVD did and about 3 months earlier than Blu-ray, so those formats aren't quite as old as DVD was in January of 1999.
Starting with HD DVD, they have said close to a million for dedicated players, but not sure what region that is for or how many laptops with HD DVD drives there are. But in any case, looks like they are likely a little behind where DVD was at the same age as far as players sold. Blu-ray is more complicated because of the multipurpose machines, but the software sales support that Blu-ray either has more players in use than HD DVD, or sells more software per player in use (where players in use doesn't count PS3s that aren't used for Blu-ray movies or laptops for either side that aren't used for movies in HD DVD or Blu-ray). So as far as effective players vs HD DVD if we standardize the number of discs that represent an effective player, ahead of HD DVD's pace.
That is for hardware. For software I believe that both formats are probably a fair amount behind where DVD was at the same age. If there were any rentals around back then it wasn't like now, where many people buy players to mostly play discs they rent. I don't have any numbers for discs sold handy, but from what I recall it does seem like DVD was reporting much higher numbers for the end of 1998 than these formats have reported for Since Inception sales, but it gets complicated when some of the numbers are shipped instead of sold.
In some ways I'm amazed at how much these formats have taken of the market in the midst of a war compared to where DVD was at the same age, despite people pulling out the numbers of a mature format (DVD) against very young formats (HD DVD and Blu-ray). If somebody asked me whether I thought a particular 4 year old might end up being a great football player I sure wouldn't claim he couldn't be because he is so much weaker than somebody currently in the NFL. I might look at where the 4 year old is compared to where that NFL player was at 4.
--Darin
I don't buy this argument, the whole "they're all on the fence" thing. If this were true, we should see EXPLOSIVE numbers within the next month. We won't.
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Originally Posted by wiseburro /forum/post/12840433
Sure it will survive. The whole impetus for ending the format war is to allow consumers to get off the fence. Consumers do not like confusion and this format war was nothing but a large sca;e confusion.
I don't buy this argument, the whole "they're all on the fence" thing. If this were true, we should see EXPLOSIVE numbers within the next month. We won't.
Thing is, the big oak tree has a tremendous and well-established root system. The two saplings aren't choking each other so much as the big oak tree is choking them and keeping them in the shade.
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Originally Posted by darinp2 /forum/post/12853566
Most farmers would understand that pulling one of them out would likely help the other one grow, since the two saplings wouldn't be choking each other so much, but if one gets pulled then the other still has a long ways to go to be anything like the great oak and may never get there.
Thing is, the big oak tree has a tremendous and well-established root system. The two saplings aren't choking each other so much as the big oak tree is choking them and keeping them in the shade.
Some will stay on the fence until Paramount & Universal are officially Blu exclusive. Nothing is 100% over until HD-DVD folds up and surrenders. The fat lady is in the dressing room and is ready to come on stage. She may well sing; but until she does the fence sitters will enjoy the view from their perch.
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Originally Posted by eci /forum/post/12853599
I don't buy this argument, the whole "they're all on the fence" thing. If this were true, we should see EXPLOSIVE numbers within the next month. We won't.
Some will stay on the fence until Paramount & Universal are officially Blu exclusive. Nothing is 100% over until HD-DVD folds up and surrenders. The fat lady is in the dressing room and is ready to come on stage. She may well sing; but until she does the fence sitters will enjoy the view from their perch.
You really miss the point of the whole "growing the market" concept. It's not that once there is only one format, everyone is going to jump in. More of the early adopters who were waiting out the format war will jump in. That will increase player sales, which will in turn lower cost of production. That lowering of cost will bring an even greater number in and cost will fall yet again. It keeps going like that until momentum builds and a product becomes mainstream. Those of you looking for the sub $200.00 profile 2.0 BD player are going to have to wait a while. But it will get here. Just not as soon as you wish. It will get here when the market dictates.
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Originally Posted by eci /forum/post/12853599
I don't buy this argument, the whole "they're all on the fence" thing. If this were true, we should see EXPLOSIVE numbers within the next month. We won't.
You really miss the point of the whole "growing the market" concept. It's not that once there is only one format, everyone is going to jump in. More of the early adopters who were waiting out the format war will jump in. That will increase player sales, which will in turn lower cost of production. That lowering of cost will bring an even greater number in and cost will fall yet again. It keeps going like that until momentum builds and a product becomes mainstream. Those of you looking for the sub $200.00 profile 2.0 BD player are going to have to wait a while. But it will get here. Just not as soon as you wish. It will get here when the market dictates.
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