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how small can I make my baffle ?

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I have a 15" driver and want to mount it in the smallest baffle possible.
Is it ok to do it something like this ?
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Excellent - thank you
So I assume it doesn't affect the sound too much, if at all ?
I have a 15" driver and want to mount it in the smallest baffle possible.
Is it ok to do it something like this ?
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I can't tell what this is at all. What the heck is it? What are the dimensions? Is this a room, box? Where are the drivers? Is this for a sub? Midrange? Seriously more info needed. Then someone responds with a photo of a random boxed sub and your question is answered? Have we entered the twilight zone here? LOL
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I can't tell what this is at all. What the heck is it? What are the dimensions? Is this a room, box? Where are the drivers? Is this for a sub? Midrange? Seriously more info needed. Then someone responds with a photo of a random boxed sub and your question is answered? Have we entered the twilight zone here? LOL
The orangey bits are the box, the grey bit is the driver, the black bits are screws.
The posted pic shows a sub exactly how I wanted to do mine.
No twilight zone - just an answer exactly what I was after :)
Maybe it is the twilight zone and he managed to read my mind o_O
Ok so this is just a question asking if you can put screws in through the driver in that manner into the wood? I think I finally understand what is going on here lol.

In my perception, the original picture was a room with the orange being the front wall and maybe the drivers were the screws are drawn mounted in the wall.
LOL... had me scratching my head too...
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I can't tell what this is at all. What the heck is it?
My thoughts exactly :ROFLMAO:
I have a 15" driver and want to mount it in the smallest baffle possible.
Is it ok to do it something like this ?
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You can do this. The structure of the box will be affected, but not to the point where the driver will flop out. There are at least 6 other screws holding the driver in place and those screws that will be going into the end grain of the ply aren't THAT weak at all.

For example, my NSW6021's are build like this and they haven't flopped out of the box yet.
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sometimes a flat toothpick or 2 and some glue can beef up the holding power in end grain situations
pre-drilled will be a safer start for a test fit
check the driver perimeter for leakage
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Excellent - thank you
So I assume it doesn't affect the sound too much, if at all ?
The front baffle dimensions do affect the sound, but not so much in the frequency range of the subwoofer.

The shape of the edge of the baffle affects the degree of and behavior of diffraction that occurs I think mostly at frequencies related to tweeters, and the proximity of the tweeter to the edges affects the time that happens relative to the initial launch, and how that combines, which is why you see speakers with very large radiused edges, particularly near the tweeters, tapered curves on baffles, and tweeters mounted at different distances to the top edge and the sides, or maybe even different distances to sides, if it's an application where the buyer will be tolerant of asymmetry. Horns that are sufficiently directional and have the taper built into the horn essentially are the baffle, a least in this sense, and so the front baffle size and shape ceases to matter, at least that's my understanding.

The front baffle dimensions also affect at what frequency the 'baffle step', happens. The larger the smallest dimension, the lower the frequency, but so long as you're not building them into a wall, it always happens. At some point, the baffle is narrow or short or whatever enough that it doesn't keep the sound going straight forward. On an infinite baffle, the driver is loading 'half space', (half a sphere output). At a dimension proportional to wavelength (I don't recall), below that the waves stop 'seeing' the baffle, and radiate into full space (omnidirectionally), and load into 'full space', which makes a 6 dB reduction. I believe the transition is a 6 dB/octave slope, and if you wanted to correct it, you could do so by adding a second driver (usually woofer), which gives you back the 6 dB of output down load, and give it a complimentary shelving filter so that it sums flat before applying the same crossover as the woofer. Or, you can just apply a shelving filter to the whole speaker.

Or you can arrange a crossover from a mid-bass to woofer at that range, and build the shelf function into the crossover blending the drivers with two different output levels offset for that step.

Of course, once you put it into a room, there are a whole bunch of boundaries that complicate thing, so you can also do what most people do, just hope the whole jumble works out well. This compensation may be built into some speakers, but cheap speakers, probably not. They don't have enough components to perform the compensation, but that could still be okay depending on room placement and surrounding objects, or at least of relatively minor concern compared to the real world issues likely going on.

But, again, if you're talking subwoofers, not an issue, and not really what you're asking about in any meaningful way, I'd guess. The real issue to keep in mind is to make sure your material and screws or whatever don't have an issue being near the edge. I.e., if the screws get a good fit, they usually are a little tight, and if they're too close, or the material can't take it, (which is the same thing) they can push the material one way or another. If you pre-drill with something on the generous side, enough to grip, but not more friction than necessary, and even possibly pre-screw with a clamp applied on both sides near the edge(cutting the thread grooves with the screw), that could be a decent preventative measure. I don't think it's a likely problem, but it's worth considering and going slow while you do it.
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Ok so this is just a question asking if you can put screws in through the driver in that manner into the wood? I think I finally understand what is going on here lol.

In my perception, the original picture was a room with the orange being the front wall and maybe the drivers were the screws are drawn mounted in the wall.
No - I had no concerns about physically building the box - I was concerned about the audio as I vaguely recall reading that drivers should be mounted in a box with enough room from the edge of the driver to the 4 walls of the enclosure.
I guess I wrote the question and drew the pic so I knew exactly what I meant :)
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No - I had no concerns about physically building the box - I was concerned about the audio as I vaguely recall reading that drivers should be mounted in a box with enough room from the edge of the driver to the 4 walls of the enclosure.
I guess I wrote the question and drew the pic so I knew exactly what I meant :)
I suppose there is some sense in this in terms of avoiding reflections in a mid-range driver, so that you can have enough absorption material between the wall and the driver, though I've also heard 6" woofers mounted directly into cylinders at about identical diameter (stuffed) and 1" transmission lines for tweeters (also stuffed) that worked splendidly well, so, I think the lesson is, if it's stuffed, no matter. If you're talking about a two-way reflex speaker, where you cannot just stuff the whole enclosure in order to allow the reflex system to couple, and need space to line the sides, maybe there's something to that.
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Screws going into the side panels have structural advantages:

- It gives the best support for the driver because the loads into the side panels are tension/compression, not bending. This will also lessen baffle vibration because the side screws render the basket essentially immobile relative to the box, at least the side parts of the basket.

- If the screws are long enough, any possibility of stripping is eliminated; you'll break the screw near the top before the threads fail.

Just be sure to drill pilot holes for the screws going into the sides to avoid separating the laminations.
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