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How to become an audio snob?

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Hi everyone,

 

I'm new to the forums and loving the expertise.  I'm about to invest in a sizable home theater and audio setup, and I'm curious what the preferred source of high-quality audio is these days.  I saw a pair of Martin Logan motion 40 speakers for about $2000 that sounded pretty nice, and I'm thinking about using them as the start of my "system".  I'm sure it would be a disgrace to the speakers to download mp3s and listen to those, so I'm curious how you seasoned audio vets feel about the hierarchy of music sources.  Things I'm open to doing:

 

1.  Spotify high quality streaming (I love it)

2.  Downloading FLAC audio of my favorite stuff

3.  Old school CDs

4.  Some newfangled thing I don't know about

5.  NOT vinyl.  No interest whatsoever.
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You're on the wrong forum. Here in the audio forum we mostly stick to solid electrical engineering principles and theory. We measure first, then listen as well.


If you want t be an audio snob, go to the $20k plus forum. Over there specs don't matter. Technical measurments mean nothing either. The most important attribute of your gear is what you paid for it and who made it, you know, the label on the front means all. Now let's be clear on that point. Buying expensive gear used does not count. Even though it may be the same make and model the 20k guys have, it's just not as good because you bought it used. Ditto that for industry insiders that have access to high end gear at fire sale prices.


Recently I found the Theta thread especially worthy of my example. First, it's all about what you paid. Next you have to listen. But any discussion of engineering specifications is verboten.
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Ah I'm sorry.  I thought this might be the place to quibble over bitrates and which source sounds the best, etc.  

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Originally Posted by moonpuncher  /t/1519480/how-to-become-an-audio-snob#post_24399795


Ah I'm sorry.  I thought this might be the place to quibble over bitrates and which source sounds the best, etc.  

Ahh, but it is the right forum for that. We here though are not audio snobs! We Dont care what you paid, only how it sounds !

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Originally Posted by moonpuncher  /t/1519480/how-to-become-an-audio-snob/0_100#post_24399795

 

Ah I'm sorry.  I thought this might be the place to quibble over bitrates and which source sounds the best, etc.  
 

That you can quibble about here.  But it isn't the way to become an audio snob.

 

 

As for your original questions, FLAC can be equal to CDs, though it depends on the original file format that was losslessly compressed with FLAC:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC

 

If an inferior format was losslessly compressed, the result would be inferior.  If a CD file was losslessly compressed, it would be equal to a CD.

 

 

Spotify is not lossless, and so it is less than ideal (and therefore not suitable for archival purposes), though their highest bitrate option may be good enough for you to not hear any difference between it and a CD.  It would take some careful testing to determine that.  But a CD is archival quality.

 

 

As for vinyl, it isn't as good as CD at all.  It has massive distortion and many other problems, even with high end gear; see:

 

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/technical-articles-and-editorials/technical-articles-and-editorials/a-secrets-technical-article63.html

 

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/technical-articles-and-editorials/technical-articles-and-editorials/a-secrets-technical-article64.html

 

Of course, many audio snobs love it.  Being a snob and being right are not the same thing.
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So if you've invested in a pretty mid to high end home audio system and wanted to enjoy good clean music, you'd try to get as much of your music straight from compact disk (and maybe rip those disks lossless/FLAC on your computer) right?
There's this thing called Super Audio CD which in theory sounds better. Audiophiles say that they sound better, but double blind tests didnt reveal that, you can read about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD . If you're curious , you can always do your own blind test with these two. FLAC is lossless compression so if its really made from CD it should sound the same as CD, in rare cases FLACs floating around the net in shady sites are not made from CD, but from mp3.
Hello moonpuncher,


I assume your thread title was at least partly tongue-in-cheek, and that what you're really after is the best possible sound from your setup. From your original post, it wasn't completely clear to me whether your audio and video system(s) would be integrated or separate. I'll assume integrated. You mentioned the Martin Logan speakers, I haven't heard them, but one thing to consider with virtually all electrostatic speakers is that their maximum SPL capability is not very high in home theater terms before audible distortion sets in. So you might run into the case where they sound great with music at typical listening levels but audibly distort when pushed to the high SPLs typical of home theater application. Just something to consider, especially if you watch movies with the sound at anywhere near reference level.


Regarding CD vs. computer-based audio, my own setup has about 1600 CDs ripped to FLAC. This whole ripping operation took a long time, so if you want to eventually transition to a computer-based setup, I'd recommend doing so gradually because of the effort required to rip all the discs. I'd say rip a small quantity of discs, then play around with different hardware and software alternatives until you feel comfortable, then take the full plunge if you like what you've found.
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Originally Posted by moonpuncher  /t/1519480/how-to-become-an-audio-snob#post_24399132


 I saw a pair of Martin Logan motion 40 speakers for about $2000 that sounded pretty nice, and I'm thinking about using them as the start of my "system".  I'm sure it would be a disgrace to the speakers to download mp3s and listen to those...

I commit the blasphemy of listen to mp3's on MartinLogan ESL's so I think you'll be fine as long as you don't admit to it like I did.



If you really want to be a snob but don't have the budget for it like the $20k forum just convince yourself that your stuff is better than everybody else's.
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-Spend $45 on this book and read it
http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproduction-Acoustics-Psychoacoustics-Loudspeakers/dp/0240520092


-Spend some money on getting loudspeakers, good room acoustics measurements and treatments (either physical room treatments or electronic, or both) , and


-then worry about getting 'high quality' audio delivery formats. And don't be surprised if 'even' mp3s sound good on your system (most people cannot readily tell a well-made mp3 from the lossless source in a blind test)
Your options are all fine. The subscription Spotify streams are 320 kbps MP3. They will sound the same as the others in a blind comparison.
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