Pretty much decided to transfer my DVD collection to the PC and I'm looking to get them in high quality, as close to DVD-quality as possible. I also want the 5.1 surround track with all movies that offer it. I would presume the absolute highest way is a straight iso rip of the entire DVD, is that right? I *could* do that and probably be ok with it, but if there is a way to just grab the movie and make an individual xvid, or whatever the highest quality would be, that would be good too. Any information would be appreciated.
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You'll want to 'transpose' the movie in some way, not encode it to xvid or similiar. Any encoder, no matter how great, will always lose some of the original.
If you only want the movie, try MakeMKV. It'll copy what you select from the DVD into a MKV container without touching the video or audio. This should have equal quality to your DVD. Only downfall is MKV is not a format Windows understands by default. But all you have to install is the haali media splitter for your version of Windows and run a registry update if you want Media Center to pick up the file
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If you only want the movie, try MakeMKV. It'll copy what you select from the DVD into a MKV container without touching the video or audio. This should have equal quality to your DVD. Only downfall is MKV is not a format Windows understands by default. But all you have to install is the haali media splitter for your version of Windows and run a registry update if you want Media Center to pick up the file
Get AnyDVD to do the rips and remove the region codes & copy protection.
Rip it to ISO if you want, or just rip the files and play the .VOBs directly. The quality will be perfect because you are not transcoding/recoding at all - it is exactly as it was on the DVD except removal of the DRM.
Rip it to ISO if you want, or just rip the files and play the .VOBs directly. The quality will be perfect because you are not transcoding/recoding at all - it is exactly as it was on the DVD except removal of the DRM.
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What do is with AnyDVD running in the background use DVDShrink and edit the tracks.. I remove all the junk and only include the video and sound tracks I want with all the warnings, other audio tracks, etc. removed. Set compression to 0% (off), Single VOB (setting in menu) and you will get 100% identical copy of the DVD but much smaller. It takes about 20 minutes... No rerendering, no transcoding, just an edit and a remux...
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DVD Fab > Main Movie
Point it to save it on your hd(Target) and you'll have all your original untouched dvd files.
Make sure at the bottom of dvdfab it is set to dvd5 or dvd9 to get your 100% quality rip. Take 10 mins or less to rip a main movie to hd. Rinse and repeat
I suggest you try out DVDFAB and anydvd, they both have trial periods, see which u like best. You don't have to make them iso's, like with blu-ray
Point it to save it on your hd(Target) and you'll have all your original untouched dvd files.
Make sure at the bottom of dvdfab it is set to dvd5 or dvd9 to get your 100% quality rip. Take 10 mins or less to rip a main movie to hd. Rinse and repeat
I suggest you try out DVDFAB and anydvd, they both have trial periods, see which u like best. You don't have to make them iso's, like with blu-ray
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It's the option and the method I choose. I can create 6 MKV per each ISO and quality is relatively the same. Sure, HDD are cheap, but how many disks (w/ RAID for redundancy) can you put in a typical HTPC before you need to find an alternative storage solution?
If I want the whole package, I just grab the movie from the shelf.
If I want the whole package, I just grab the movie from the shelf.
How do you run a registry update?
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You'll want to 'transpose' the movie in some way, not encode it to xvid or similiar. Any encoder, no matter how great, will always lose some of the original.
If you only want the movie, try MakeMKV. It'll copy what you select from the DVD into a MKV container without touching the video or audio. This should have equal quality to your DVD. Only downfall is MKV is not a format Windows understands by default. But all you have to install is the haali media splitter for your version of Windows and run a registry update if you want Media Center to pick up the file![]()
How do you run a registry update?
I assume your talking about making windows see MKV files....All you really have to do is try to open a MKV file (after you install the splitter) and open it with the selected program.
Or just copy below into a text file, name it mkv.reg, double click it and add to to the registry, reboot, Windows will see MKV files as video files.
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\\.mkv]
"PerceivedType"="video"
"Content Type"="video/mkv"
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How do you run a registry update?![]()
I assume your talking about making windows see MKV files....All you really have to do is try to open a MKV file (after you install the splitter) and open it with the selected program.
Or just copy below into a text file, name it mkv.reg, double click it and add to to the registry, reboot, Windows will see MKV files as video files.
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\\.mkv]
"PerceivedType"="video"
"Content Type"="video/mkv"
I have 2x 1TB and 1x 2TB internal HDD and I'm planning to upgrade the 1TB with 2TB soon. And by the time those fill up the 2 or 3 or 4 TB will be out and i'll replace them with those.
I use same size external HDD with secondCopy to backup. Those are cheap too.
I do compress some video, mostly using Nero Recode 3 which is the fastest thing I found that give great quality mp4, but those are my recordings not my DVD. I should have received my BR drive today so i'll be recompressing those because BR iso are way too big but with an average of 6gig for a DVD I prefer to rip to iso. Less hastle and no los of quality. If you want to save space use dvd-fab or dvdshrink to get the film only, but even then I prefer to just rip to iso with AnyDVD, but hey, whatever float your boat
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I have 2x 1TB and 1x 2TB internal HDD and I'm planning to upgrade the 1TB with 2TB soon. And by the time those fill up the 2 or 3 or 4 TB will be out and i'll replace them with those.
I use same size external HDD with secondCopy to backup. Those are cheap too.
I do compress some video, mostly using Nero Recode 3 which is the fastest thing I found that give great quality mp4, but those are my recordings not my DVD. I should have received my BR drive today so i'll be recompressing those because BR iso are way too big but with an average of 6gig for a DVD I prefer to rip to iso. Less hastle and no los of quality. If you want to save space use dvd-fab or dvdshrink to get the film only, but even then I prefer to just rip to iso with AnyDVD, but hey, whatever float your boat
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Yeah, you can't go wrong really and I agree, I'm starting to dive into my Blu-Ray/HDDVD collection and the HD iso's are huge, talk about filling up 3TB quickly! The movies have varied a bit, but so far I'm getting the mkv between 8-12GB.
I picked up a pair of 1.5TB drives from Dell for $200. I gambled with the known issues and was 50/50 as one drives is having sector issues already.
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I have 2x 1TB and 1x 2TB internal HDD and I'm planning to upgrade the 1TB with 2TB soon. And by the time those fill up the 2 or 3 or 4 TB will be out and i'll replace them with those.
I use same size external HDD with secondCopy to backup. Those are cheap too.
I do compress some video, mostly using Nero Recode 3 which is the fastest thing I found that give great quality mp4, but those are my recordings not my DVD. I should have received my BR drive today so i'll be recompressing those because BR iso are way too big but with an average of 6gig for a DVD I prefer to rip to iso. Less hastle and no los of quality. If you want to save space use dvd-fab or dvdshrink to get the film only, but even then I prefer to just rip to iso with AnyDVD, but hey, whatever float your boat![]()
Yeah, you can't go wrong really and I agree, I'm starting to dive into my Blu-Ray/HDDVD collection and the HD iso's are huge, talk about filling up 3TB quickly! The movies have varied a bit, but so far I'm getting the mkv between 8-12GB.
I picked up a pair of 1.5TB drives from Dell for $200. I gambled with the known issues and was 50/50 as one drives is having sector issues already.
With normal standard definition DVD's I recommend straight ripping to ISO or raw Video_TS\\VOB files. Hell if you wanted to you could even drop them into an MKV container to save the hassle (there's many programs out there to do this with - makemkv is easy to understand for most people). I would never encode a normal DVD because they compress terribly considering the size they still take up. I would just bite the bullet and keep the 4-7GB file/files.
HD/Blu's however I would definitely encode because they easily compress down 70-80% the original size (with very minimal quality loss visually and also mathematically if you check your encode logs) and in some cases less.
quick sample of a recent HD encode from me:
Encode/Source
Encode/Source
Encode/Source
The source video stream for this movie was around 17GB if I remember correctly... a simple encode took it down to 10GB with a very very small amount of quality lost in the process. As you can see the encode is near transparent to the source. For anyone thinking about ripping the HD/Blu collection to their hard drives, I highly recommend encoding them also. Yes storage is cheaper right now... but the amount of wasted space doesn't excuse it :/.
HD/Blu's however I would definitely encode because they easily compress down 70-80% the original size (with very minimal quality loss visually and also mathematically if you check your encode logs) and in some cases less.
quick sample of a recent HD encode from me:
Encode/Source
Encode/Source
Encode/Source
The source video stream for this movie was around 17GB if I remember correctly... a simple encode took it down to 10GB with a very very small amount of quality lost in the process. As you can see the encode is near transparent to the source. For anyone thinking about ripping the HD/Blu collection to their hard drives, I highly recommend encoding them also. Yes storage is cheaper right now... but the amount of wasted space doesn't excuse it :/.
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I don't even bother compressing anymore.... straight to ISO for me. I have daemon tools set to automount the DVD/Bluray/HDDVD and then WinDVD9 plus set to auto load.
There are two aproaches. You could either retain the entire disk including all of its features or just include the main feature in the ISO. With the latter, it really works no different than any other AV file except that you can keep multiple soundtracks.
DVDs average about 8gb sooo you can fit about 100-125 per 1TB HDD. With storage the way it is, it doesn't make sense to compress.
When I built my first server, I planned to put EVERYTHING on the server. With this new server that I have, I am only ripping my top 150-200. I have about 300-500 movies depending on whether you include TV on disk or not.
Here is the deal. The majority of folks do not need their whole collection on the server. Why? If you watch 3 movies per week, that would be about 150. Figure there will be some weeks will you can't fit in 1 if you are lucky and others where it is a movie fest. Then factor in that you are going to watch atleast 4 "new" movies per month. So lets do the match. (52*3)-(12*4)=108. So that would be a little over 100 archived viewings. Now lets factor in how long you go between watching shows. I personally end up watching shows like LOTRs, the Matrix, Superman, Princess Bride about once a year. Some like Alien, maybe once every 2 years. So lets say it comes to you watching 70% of those once per year. So 108/.7=154. That is how I came up with my list. I figure that if I am not going to watch a show atleast every 18 months, it just really isn't worth putting it on the server. In the time it takes me load the disk, rip the ISO and set it up in the PC, I could have inserted and put away the disk after watching it like 3-4 times minimum.
Putting EVERY disk of yours on a server is a waste of time and money for most people.
Of course, this is assuming you do it the semi-legal way which is to actually own the disk.... not being a ripping netflix DVD's addict. I have a "friend" who once ripped disks, but he realized he ripped some which he wouldn't really have wanted to watch again and basically could have spent just as much money owning the movies he decided he really wanted in the end.
Back to the ISO thing. You will always get some degree of degradation when you compress or re-encode. You may not notice it now, but down the road you will. I have number divx files that I once thought were fine when viewed on my 27" CRT that now look like bantha droppings on my HD projector.
Same with MP3s to an extent. In retrospect, there are many songs that I wish I had compressed in 192+ than 128 to save space. Now the space for them is irrelevant for the most part.
There are two aproaches. You could either retain the entire disk including all of its features or just include the main feature in the ISO. With the latter, it really works no different than any other AV file except that you can keep multiple soundtracks.
DVDs average about 8gb sooo you can fit about 100-125 per 1TB HDD. With storage the way it is, it doesn't make sense to compress.
When I built my first server, I planned to put EVERYTHING on the server. With this new server that I have, I am only ripping my top 150-200. I have about 300-500 movies depending on whether you include TV on disk or not.
Here is the deal. The majority of folks do not need their whole collection on the server. Why? If you watch 3 movies per week, that would be about 150. Figure there will be some weeks will you can't fit in 1 if you are lucky and others where it is a movie fest. Then factor in that you are going to watch atleast 4 "new" movies per month. So lets do the match. (52*3)-(12*4)=108. So that would be a little over 100 archived viewings. Now lets factor in how long you go between watching shows. I personally end up watching shows like LOTRs, the Matrix, Superman, Princess Bride about once a year. Some like Alien, maybe once every 2 years. So lets say it comes to you watching 70% of those once per year. So 108/.7=154. That is how I came up with my list. I figure that if I am not going to watch a show atleast every 18 months, it just really isn't worth putting it on the server. In the time it takes me load the disk, rip the ISO and set it up in the PC, I could have inserted and put away the disk after watching it like 3-4 times minimum.
Putting EVERY disk of yours on a server is a waste of time and money for most people.
Of course, this is assuming you do it the semi-legal way which is to actually own the disk.... not being a ripping netflix DVD's addict. I have a "friend" who once ripped disks, but he realized he ripped some which he wouldn't really have wanted to watch again and basically could have spent just as much money owning the movies he decided he really wanted in the end.
Back to the ISO thing. You will always get some degree of degradation when you compress or re-encode. You may not notice it now, but down the road you will. I have number divx files that I once thought were fine when viewed on my 27" CRT that now look like bantha droppings on my HD projector.
Same with MP3s to an extent. In retrospect, there are many songs that I wish I had compressed in 192+ than 128 to save space. Now the space for them is irrelevant for the most part.
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Yes, the hard disk space goes quick. Even if you buy several, you get to the point of needing to buy a server. My thoughs would be compressed for the casual or picture not that important shows, kids cartoons and such, and full quality for the special shows.
To be honest, for the DVD rips the compressed stuff looks very good. The main difference I see is color saturation and maybe some shadow detail. If you don't see them side by side, chances are you won't miss it.
You should give it a try and see what you think for yourself. Unless you have a very nice large set, it doesn't matter too much. Ballpark I'd say less than 52" less than 1080p.
Mike
To be honest, for the DVD rips the compressed stuff looks very good. The main difference I see is color saturation and maybe some shadow detail. If you don't see them side by side, chances are you won't miss it.
You should give it a try and see what you think for yourself. Unless you have a very nice large set, it doesn't matter too much. Ballpark I'd say less than 52" less than 1080p.
Mike
Don't buy Seagate until they really fix the problem with the AS serie. This is why i've gone all WD with my disk now.
As for the BR rip I'll downsize them to 720p since i'm not equiped for 1080p and won't be for another 3 years (just replace the bulb on my Z3).
This should reduce the space required by a good amount. And if you follow the MKV thread, some have reduced the bitrate to 19.5 mb/s with minimal quality loss. That is about half the bitrate of the original.
Don't buy Seagate until they really fix the problem with the AS serie. This is why i've gone all WD with my disk now.
As for the BR rip I'll downsize them to 720p since i'm not equiped for 1080p and won't be for another 3 years (just replace the bulb on my Z3).
This should reduce the space required by a good amount. And if you follow the MKV thread, some have reduced the bitrate to 19.5 mb/s with minimal quality loss. That is about half the bitrate of the original.
I tried making this file and it wouldn't install. So I took a look in the registry and see that there is already a .mkv entry for the VLC player. I guess I'll have to try the splitter method because 7MC still doesn't see the .mkv files. At least it can't play them. They show up under the "Video" section but not in the "Movie" section.
I tried making this file and it wouldn't install. So I took a look in the registry and see that there is already a .mkv entry for the VLC player. I guess I'll have to try the splitter method because 7MC still doesn't see the .mkv files. At least it can't play them. They show up under the "Video" section but not in the "Movie" section.
The splitter is required in order for windows to be able to understand the MKV file and see the audio and video inside of it. After you install Haali splitter x64 beta you should be good. I'm also not sure if 7MC is setup to see MKV's as movies, either.
You should try using MediaBrowser instead. It's an excellent Movie/TV organizer plugin for Media Center.
You should try using MediaBrowser instead. It's an excellent Movie/TV organizer plugin for Media Center.
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