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HTPC or good DVD

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As I wait for my HS10 to arrive I continue to read the forum. I note that many users seem to want to use an HTPC. Why is this?


Reading the "Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity" testing and reports on DVD players and HTPCs seems to indicate that a good (not necessarily expensive) DVD player will provide superior image quality to that of the current HTPCs. Am I missing an important point? When installed my computer will be next to the projector so I could use either.


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The "Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity" results can be misleading because they only test deinterlacing capabilities, which is only one aspect of image quality. For most decent film-source dvd's, it just isn't that important to have the best deinterlacing. For poorly authored video source stuff, a good deinterlacer can be quite important. HTPC's have a big advantage in scaling (dvd players can't scale at all, and HTPC's make some of the best scalers), cool image processing stuff (sharpening and denoise filters in ffdshow), and ultimate tweakbility. Plus, if your display device takes DVI signal, your HTPC can feed a bit-perfect signal. Lots of great little reasons to go with the HTPC, though it is certainly not for everyone - think of an HTPC as a pseudo-hobby.


We're all waiting on good video deinterlacing to debut on HTPCs, it should only be a matter of time with the processing power available. In the meantime, I find that ffdshow + linear blending deinterlace + resize + luma sharpen looks wonderful with my anime collection.


Mike U.
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I'd like to see some more comments.


I'm not convinced spending the money on a HTPC over a Panasonic will benefit much on an inexpensive projector.
Dustin,


I have both a panasonic DVD player and an HTPC with DVI out.

I personally don't see a big difference in picture quality between the two.

Yes, there is a slight differenc but the average viewer will never notice.


The only real advantage that I see is the multitasking capabilities of the HTPC.

You can use it to play video, MP3 files, use it as a PVR, HDTV tuner etc.

Surfing the net on your big screen and playing video games is a real treat.


But I think the differances in quality of video between the two is over rated.

That is just my opinion however.

Good luck in your decision.


jammarjim
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I'd like to see some more comments.


I'm not convinced spending the money on a HTPC over a Panasonic will benefit much on an inexpensive projector.
You should see the picture quality coming out of my HTPC+AE100. Compared to a RP56+Transcoder, the difference is noticable and PQ is fantastic.


Sometimes I question the need to upgrade my AE100 at all... it looks so great! The HTPC on it's own doesn't mean much, it's what software you run on it.


Thank goodness this board is around. Using THeatertek DVD player, and FFDSHOW (as mulveling has already pointed out) yields a phenomenal picture. Without these tricks, the HTPC isn't noticably superior to the RP56 (Transcoder on AE100 yields a extremely clear picture without need for much scaling) But with them... it's amazing!


I'd say that a cheaper projector benefits even more from a HTPC. The more expensive projectors already have better processing built in.


However, if you are the type who doesn't want to put up with hassle or tweaking, then forget the HTPC. Just get a great DVD player and forget about it.
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But I think the differances in quality of video between the two is over rated.

That is just my opinion however.

Good luck in your decision.


jammarjim
Try playing around with Theatertek + FFDshow. I felt like you before trying this combo. I ran across comparison pictures between a DVD player and a FFDSHOW enabled software DVD player. Usually pictures aren't very worthwhile, but the difference was noticable and startling. That led me to install FFDSHOW and the results are very worthwhile. It might be worth trying it out.
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Try playing around with Theatertek + FFDshow. I felt like you before trying this combo.
I have tried theatertek but not with FFDshow. Does FFDshow seem to make that much difference?

Theatertek is an excellent software player but without FFDshow, the difference was marginal.


jammarjim
I have the Panasonic CH72 connected to my HS10. The picture quality is fantastic, the video features are nice. One advantage of this setup that I didn't anticipate having such an impact on me is the DVD-Audio feature of the player. When I'm home alone and can use my equipment in any way I see fit, I most often load up the changer with DVD-Audio disks and enjoy the best recorded music quality I have ever heard.


To the best of my knowledge, there is no HTPC DVD-Audio player available.
There's a fundamental question you have to ask yourself in considering a HTPC: do you like to tweak, or do you just want to hook stuff up and enjoy?


Going the HTPC route gives you infinitely more opportunity to tweak your setup and try different software out, but if you don't enjoy that activity, you should probably think twice about it. Also consider the other people in your household.


I use an HTPC, and I enjoy tweaking. But I have to have a whole separate setup so that my wife can just play a DVD and have it work with minimal effort and 100% reliability when I'm not around. She doesn't get the benefits of ffdshow and all that, but she doesn't really care anyways.
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There's a fundamental question you have to ask yourself in considering a HTPC: do you like to tweak, or do you just want to hook stuff up and enjoy?
Exactly. If you don't put a good deal of time and effort into the HTPC, you'll most likely get better image quality with a good dvd player. And that's perfectly fine, unless you're a videophile nut like most of us here. Personally, I've gone from a minimal-effort HTPC to an rp91 dvd player and now back to a "I'm willing to put the effort in" HTPC + ffdshow + zoomplayer (the curiosity of what the fuss was about lead to the second attempt). The ability to tweak the image to what *I* like is priceless.


I've found my projector's image controls aren't the greatest tweaking tools since they affect the color primaries differently, and once you've struck a good color balance over most of the IRE range it's best to leave them alone. With an HTPC, I've got a good way to adjust the brightness, contrast, and gamma controls in a relatively independant manner that affects all the colors in the same way, and I can store as many sets of settings as I like. Yay htpc!


Mike U.
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I have tried theatertek but not with FFDshow. Does FFDshow seem to make that much difference?

Theatertek is an excellent software player but without FFDshow, the difference was marginal.


jammarjim
Try it... you might be impressed. I think it makes a difference. Search the boards for "FFDSHOW" and be prepared to max out that processor.


I also like the Theatertek software for it's gamma adjustment.
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Personally, I've gone from a minimal-effort HTPC to an rp91 dvd player and now back to a "I'm willing to put the effort in" HTPC + ffdshow + zoomplayer (the curiosity of what the fuss was about lead to the second attempt). The ability to tweak the image to what *I* like is priceless.
While I'm not a "videophile nut"... I do like a great looking picture.


I concur... the HTPC lets you set your picture to what looks good to you and then enjoy the show.



One word of advice I would give to those thinking about an HTPC: Make sure it's a dedicated PC. Multitasking it with other things tends to result in instability and problems. If you leave it for just HTPC use, then it will probably be easier on your sanity.
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Try playing around with Theatertek + FFDshow. I felt like you before trying this combo.
You may be right! I may have to revisit HTPC now that I saw comparison shots with FFDshow.


That is quite a difference!! Thanks.


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