[funhouse69]


Hey everyone I wanted to throw this question out there to see what people are doing. It seems like a lot of us have either RAIDs or NAS Systems using RAID to store our photos, music and movies which can be many Terabytes in size. Of course we are using RAID 5 or RAID 6 for a reason but we all know that even in a RAID Data Loss can occur for any number of reasons not to mention physical issues like fire, theft, earthquake or flood.

 

This raises the question do you back up your RAID / NAS? And if you do how?

 

[Frank Derks]

Not yet.


But will setup a backup in the future.

I will just buy another NAS with added functionalities and use the current NAS for backing up.

 

[ash_man]

I have a second system with 16 hard drives and a raid controller that acts as my backup for the many NAS"s I have. I also back certain data up to external hard drives from time to time, but that is a manual process, my initial backup system is automated.

 

[ratava]

If you find it necessary to back up your raid you do it to... well... another raid.

 

[SeldomSeen31]

I manaually back up music and pictures to an external drive but just take my chances with movies. Replacing music would be a colossal pain and pictures would be impossible. Movies are not that big of a deal as I have about 250 and even with a lightning strike total failure of my unraid box to rerip would only take a few days.

 

[mlknez]

I back up to crashplan and bitcasa


I have 24TB on crashplan and 10TB on bitcasa

 

[Dhalmo]

I have two redudant methods for backups of all file types. First, because my movie collection is approaching 21TB it is in my opinion cost prohibitive to keep this backed up. As an alternative a friend of mine maintains a mirror of the collection and is "backed up" at his house. It is seperated by both location and design type since he uses different hard drives, etc. We use Google share to keep track of our collections via a database. I won't entertain the legalities here but I highly recommend it since we share the costs of movie and hard drive purchase so find a friend.

I internally keep my collection of music, photos and files backed up with none other than bit tooorrreeent Sync. This is not a file sharing program like the kind used for downloading off the web illegally or anything like that. It's a P2P protocol program that let's you sync and two devices anywhere on the internet via a secret key that is shared. I happen to use in my internal home network to sync hard drives with critical data so that they are shared. It is simple to use and I consider it one of the best software products of 2013. FOSS. I refuse to entertain the use of cloud storage for bandwith, privacy, and practicality purposes. At 3 cents/GB storage costs on HDD's it is just easier to be my own backup and use simple software. I don't need to RAID across a plane of HDD's to mesh out the data because single failures can still get you some loss, for the few critical files I have that need backup I sync it with the aforementioned program which AVS rejects on normal spelling.

 

[ash_man]



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Originally Posted by mlknez  /t/1518098/i-am-wondering-do-you-backup-your-raid-or-nas-if-so-how#post_24380294


I back up to crashplan and bitcasa


I have 24TB on crashplan and 10TB on bitcasa

How long would it take to restore that 24GB if you had to? Even the 10TB?

 

[ash_man]



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Originally Posted by Dhalmo  /t/1518098/i-am-wondering-do-you-backup-your-raid-or-nas-if-so-how#post_24380334


I have two redudant methods for backups of all file types. First, because my movie collection is approaching 21TB it is in my opinion cost prohibitive to keep this backed up. As an alternative a friend of mine maintains a mirror of the collection and is "backed up" at his house. It is seperated by both location and design type since he uses different hard drives, etc. We use Google share to keep track of our collections via a database. I won't entertain the legalities here but I highly recommend it since we share the costs of movie and hard drive purchase so find a friend.

I internally keep my collection of music, photos and files backed up with none other than bit tooorrreeent Sync. This is not a file sharing program like the kind used for downloading off the web illegally or anything like that. It's a P2P protocol program that let's you sync and two devices anywhere on the internet via a secret key that is shared. I happen to use in my internal home network to sync hard drives with critical data so that they are shared. It is simple to use and I consider it one of the best software products of 2013. FOSS. I refuse to entertain the use of cloud storage for bandwith, privacy, and practicality purposes. At 3 cents/GB storage costs on HDD's it is just easier to be my own backup and use simple software. I don't need to RAID across a plane of HDD's to mesh out the data because single failures can still get you some loss, for the few critical files I have that need backup I sync it with the aforementioned program which AVS rejects on normal spelling.

Can you even describe how this works? Lets say you rip a BluRay and its 10GB, how does that get mirrored to your friends shared storage?

 

[mlknez]

I have a 100Mbps connection to the internet. Let's say for argument sake that crashplan is able to send to me at 50Mbps. 50Mbps = 6.25MBps= 22.5GB/hour

10TB=10,000GB 10,000/22.5=444hours=18.5 days


18 1/2 days to restore 10TB if crashplan is able to maintain a steady 50Mbps rate to my house. Cheap backup for unlimited, no throttle @ $50/year

 

[Dhalmo]

That's insane, but I like it!

 

[Dhalmo]

For the initial sync we used sneaker net, as in I went to his house with a hard drive. I've the bulk stuff was sync ed I use bit t0rrent sync and any time either of us adds a new movie it acts like a Dropbox.

 

[Dhalmo]



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Originally Posted by ash_man  /t/1518098/i-am-wondering-do-you-backup-your-raid-or-nas-if-so-how#post_24381147


Can you even describe how this works? Lets say you rip a BluRay and its 10GB, how does that get mirrored to your friends shared storage?

On each computer with the bitt0rrent sync program installed there is an index file keeping track of what files are synced with Abby other machine that has the same code or secret. The secret is generated by the program the first time you share the folder and anyone you give that key to will receive all of the contents of that folder and likewise you will receive all of the contents of their folder until both machines are synced. For this reason you only share specific folders and not root folders like and operating disc. After that the machines can find each other anywhere on the internet anytime and the transfer becomes person to person, without central cloud or businesses involved. You can encrypt the stream if you want to avoid deep packet inspection by your isp, I usually us truecrypt file containers. Go to the bitt0rrent website and download the pc app, also an ios and Android version exist. I use the latter to auto backup pictures on my phone the minute their taken to my home pc, no Facebook or Google overseers.


Go to www.bitt0rrent.com/sync and download the app. You will have to substitute the 0 with an o in the above URL because the AVS forum evidently treats peer to peer file transfer like a dirty word, it's not pirate bay people, it's a protocol!

 

[watchy]

i have almost 100tb at home and i my upload is terrible, theres no way i could ever back it up. i just use raid6 and hope i dont have any major issues.

 

[robnix]



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Originally Posted by funhouse69  /t/1518098/i-am-wondering-do-you-backup-your-raid-or-nas-if-so-how/0_50#post_24364119


Hey everyone I wanted to throw this question out there to see what people are doing. It seems like a lot of us have either RAIDs or NAS Systems using RAID to store our photos, music and movies which can be many Terabytes in size. Of course we are using RAID 5 or RAID 6 for a reason but we all know that even in a RAID Data Loss can occur for any number of reasons not to mention physical issues like fire, theft, earthquake or flood.


This raises the question do you back up your RAID / NAS? And if you do how?

I keep a copy of photos and documents synced between my desktop and NAS, and use Spideroak to backup the copy on my desktop online. Only the items I can't replace go online.


My movie backup is the boxes of discs that I have packed away. It's far too much data to bother trying to download. I calculated it one time. If I kept my 35Mbit connection saturated it would take almost 2 months to download everything. that's if my ISP didn't have a kniptchen fit first. If there's a house fire or theft, I have an inventory along with photos of the inventory along that I keep with my online backup.

 

[mlknez]

Raid 6 will protect you from a hardware issue, but what if you have corruption?

 

[ash_man]

The only thing that will save you from corruption is having another copy of your data elsewhere. It is always best practice with backups, where possible to have not just one backup solution, but two or three. If you copy your data to external drives, also copy it to another computer. Obviously if your source data becomes corrupt that is another problem.

 

[Mr Eric]



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Originally Posted by robnix  /t/1518098/i-am-wondering-do-you-backup-your-raid-or-nas-if-so-how#post_24382467


I keep a copy of photos and documents synced between my desktop and NAS, and use Spideroak to backup the copy on my desktop online. Only the items I can't replace go online.


My movie backup is the boxes of discs that I have packed away. It's far too much data to bother trying to download. I calculated it one time. If I kept my 35Mbit connection saturated it would take almost 2 months to download everything. that's if my ISP didn't have a kniptchen fit first. If there's a house fire or theft, I have an inventory along with photos of the inventory along that I keep with my online backup.

almost the same here.


I don't use RAID at all on my NAS, only JBOD which gives me 100% of available space. If there's a disk crash I can re-rip the movies/music simply because I still have the original discs.


important documents and pictures are regularly backed up on an external HDD as well as 2 clouds accounts with automatic synch (SkyDrive Onedrive and OVH).


My feeling is that for movies which are huge space consumers, RAID (whichever you use) is a complete waste of time/space.