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So I live in the mountains & have extremely dirty power & constant surges. I've had it kill one TV, 2 amps, a DVR & even a heat pump. Brownouts & blackouts are a common occurrence for me. To make matters worse my house is full of fluorescent lighting which contaminates the power lines from inside as well, apparently.


I recently watched the newest episode of "Home Theater Geeks" where Scott Wilkinson interviewed Garth Powell (Furman Sound engineer) and Marshall Currier (Panamax trainer) & realized that I would probably benefit greatly from a good surge protector / power conditioner.


My system includes:

  1. Sony KDL-55HX850 55" edge lit 3D HDTV
  2. Marantz 1602 7.1 Receiver
  3. 120V 500 Watt Cambridge Soundworks powered Sub
  4. Sony Playstation 3 (old big model)
  5. Microsoft Xbox 360 (old power hungry model)
  6. Denon CD player (I can retire this & use the PS3 if I have to)
  7. 2x DirecTV HR34 (5 tuner) DVR set-top boxes
  8. 550W HTPC



I would like to be able to plug all this in as I think I have a ground loop problem as well & if I understand correctly putting everything through one power manager could help with that.


Amazon has some Monster Power surge protectors / power conditioners pretty cheap. They look like the old models. From doing some quick searching it looks like Panamax is considered more reliable than Monster though & I don't want to put my system at risk, so I'd rather pay more as long as I'm getting better quality.


Some even have battery backups, but most of those look out of my price range. I would like it to also be a power conditioner as opposed to just a surge protector. $300-500 would be where I would be comfortable but I can go higher if the protection / performance gain is really tangible.


Much thanks.
 

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I bought this APC unit: http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=H15BLK from Amazon back in June for under $300, but they're not offering it there anymore. I have problems with power at my house also (my receiver somehow went dead; I'm blaming it on a power issue, but luckily I was eventually able to revive it) and this unit seems to be doing the job. APC is still stocking it so you should probably be able to get a good price for it somewhere. It's rack mountable, but in my use it's sitting at the bottom of my TV cabinet. Produces little to no heat, so ventilation isn't an issue.
 

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Panamax or Furman is only thing I will put on my equipment.
 
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Powervar ... medical grade ups systems .. no frills and high quality.
 

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Originally Posted by rich3fan  /t/1443959/i-have-awful-dirty-power-whats-a-good-power-conditioner-surge-protector#post_22674199


I bought this APC unit: http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=H15BLK from Amazon back in June for under $300, but they're not offering it there anymore. I have problems with power at my house also (my receiver somehow went dead; I'm blaming it on a power issue, but luckily I was eventually able to revive it) and this unit seems to be doing the job. APC is still stocking it so you should probably be able to get a good price for it somewhere. It's rack mountable, but in my use it's sitting at the bottom of my TV cabinet. Produces little to no heat, so ventilation isn't an issue.
That looks interesting. It doesn't say it's UL 1449 though, which is something I think I'll need given the intensity of the surges I get here. Right now I have my DVRs & TV & Amp hooked into two separate APC Back-UPS 450 units, which are really meant more for computers, but are a temporary protection.
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Panamax or Furman is only thing I will put on my equipment.
What reason(s) caused you to like Panamax or Furman so much?


Until recently I knew almost nothing about the subject, but it looks like UL 1449 is important for my situation & Panamax has that which I like. Furman might be out of my price range, as according the podcast they said Panamax is better until about $700, which is more than I'm willing to spend (unless I absolutely had to in order to safeguard my system, which I don't think is the case).
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Powervar ... medical grade ups systems .. no frills and high quality.
That sounded familiar and I found something similar in a amazon review for a Monster unit
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[CODE]This review is from: Monster MP HTS 1600 8-Outlet Power Center with Stage 2 Clean Power (Electronics)
Monster, Belkin, APC, Tripp Lite.....all the same. Better than nothing, but not as good as what modern systems need. If you want TRUE power conditioning, then you need to buy a box with an ISOLATION TRANSFORMER which costs more and will be larger, but it's better surge protection and doesn't let through any ground-line noise - PERFECT GROUND REFERENCE!
Only two that I know of that make this type of power conditioner: ONEAC and POWERVAR....I have one of each and no power problems at all. Found them at [...]
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I'm not an electrician or electrical engineer so "Isolation Transformer" doesn't really mean anything to me. I'm guessing it's a high end way to condition power, but I don't know if they're power conditioners are meant for home theatres.


Here's their site http://www.powervar.com/products.php


They must be well made, since they're designed to provide clean power to medical instruments; but again I know very little about the different needs of types of electronic equipment; so I don't know if they'd be suitable for my system.
 

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I think you're WAY over-thinking this. As long as it has enough wattage to support what you have plugged in, just get the simplest UPS you can. I make my living on my computers, and they're powerful multi-core units with dozens of HD's running with each. Those have all been perfectly fine 24/7 with the basic units Costco has at any time. Be those Tripplite, APC, whatever.
 

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Hi, I am an electrician. Before buying anything, call your utility. Have them verify your supply service conductors and all terminations are intact and not damaged from trees, weather etc. If you have issues that bad, you should complain to get them to address the issue upstream of you..... you are paying for it afterall. If issues exist before the main breaker in your panel it is usually their responsibility.


I urge you not to scab in a ups solution for your HT if your incoming voltage is burning up sumps etc. Address the issue properly if you can. It may be simpler than you think.
 

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I agree with Hell Commute, but I also recommend surge protection for everyone's HT system. IMHO, Panamax make some great stuff. Two years ago my development received a huge power surge from a lightening strike. Everyone in my unit lost their TV except for me. I'm a firm believer in proper surge protection.
 

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I'm going with this one when I get my new Denon:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842111461


Here's why:

1500 VA 900 Watts

EMI/RFI Line Noise Filtering (Not all UPS have this and I don't want any line noise)

Automatic Voltage Regulation - automatically corrects brownouts as low as 92V and over-voltages as high as 147V back to 120V without drawing on battery backup power

Network-grade AC surge suppression. (If it's good enough for sensitive computer network equipment it's good enough for A/V stuff)

Tested to UL1778

LCD Status Screen - So I can see it's working!

$250,000 Ultimate Lifetime Insurance coverage for connected equipment insurance (USA/Canada only) and a 3-year product warranty. (Who knows about this, but it's nice to know that it's there.)

 

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Originally Posted by Dimethios  /t/1443959/i-have-awful-dirty-power-whats-a-good-power-conditioner-surge-protector#post_22677558


I'm going with this one when I get my new Denon:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842111461

Here's why:

1500 VA 900 Watts

EMI/RFI Line Noise Filtering (Not all UPS have this and I don't want any line noise)

Automatic Voltage Regulation - automatically corrects brownouts as low as 92V and over-voltages as high as 147V back to 120V without drawing on battery backup power

Network-grade AC surge suppression. (If it's good enough for sensitive computer network equipment it's good enough for A/V stuff)

Tested to UL1778

LCD Status Screen - So I can see it's working!

$250,000 Ultimate Lifetime Insurance coverage for connected equipment insurance (USA/Canada only) and a 3-year product warranty. (Who knows about this, but it's nice to know that it's there.)


By the way, Tripp-Lite has some FANTASTIC customer service. Real people, right outside Chicago.
 

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Get yourself a Torus Power ...


and forget about it.


Make sure you calculate the amperage utilized by your system componets (total) .. as to buy the appropriate model ...


Get a Torus Power unit ..
 

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Originally Posted by Dimethios  /t/1443959/i-have-awful-dirty-power-whats-a-good-power-conditioner-surge-protector#post_22677558


I'm going with this one when I get my new Denon:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842111461

Here's why:

1500 VA 900 Watts

EMI/RFI Line Noise Filtering (Not all UPS have this and I don't want any line noise)

Automatic Voltage Regulation - automatically corrects brownouts as low as 92V and over-voltages as high as 147V back to 120V without drawing on battery backup power

Network-grade AC surge suppression. (If it's good enough for sensitive computer network equipment it's good enough for A/V stuff)

Tested to UL1778

LCD Status Screen - So I can see it's working!

$250,000 Ultimate Lifetime Insurance coverage for connected equipment insurance (USA/Canada only) and a 3-year product warranty. (Who knows about this, but it's nice to know that it's there.)


Why do you feel the need to have a UPS on your HT system? I have one on my PC to prevent crashes, but I don't see the need to have this hooked up to my HT system. What am I missing?
 

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I've always used the Tripp-Lite LC-1800 line conditioner. Have one with my 13A Denon 5805 running through it and a second with my projector and everything else plugged into it.
 

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Why do you feel the need to have a UPS on your HT system? I have one on my PC to prevent crashes, but I don't see the need to have this hooked up to my HT system. What am I missing?


Why? So I can watch TV when all my neighbors are in the dark!




LOL no, I like the overall protection and noise filtering that comes in this unit. Not to mention it's not good to just pull the power on your PS3 while it's running, which is my main blu ray player, plus i'll be getting the kids a xbox 360 for Xmas.

Both have hard drives, and I don't feel like replacing them if a power outage happens when they are on. Plus I use a HDD server with 8TB of music and movies connected to my TV and I don't want that getting damaged either.
 

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 www.TorusPower.com has extremly high quality power conditioners with some of the best surge protection (SMSS) and isolation transformers in the market to date. Torus Power is reletively young, with products created by Plitron, a 30 year old company and (leaders in Toroidal Transformer manufacturing) known for their quality. If you have any questions or inquiries, Matt can help you out.


Dealer, Rep, Sales & General Inquiries

Matthew Roher

(416) 667-9914 Ext 248

[email protected]
 

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Originally Posted by MovieMagic  /t/1443959/i-have-awful-dirty-power-whats-a-good-power-conditioner-surge-protector#post_22674086


So I live in the mountains & have extremely dirty power & constant surges. I've had it kill one TV, 2 amps, a DVR & even a heat pump. Brownouts & blackouts are a common occurrence for me. To make matters worse my house is full of fluorescent lighting which contaminates the power lines from inside as well, apparently.

Sounds like you need to call up an electrician and have him install a whole-house surge protector. It might even cost less, and it would protect all of your appliances and your heat pump.
 

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Sounds like you need to call up an electrician and have him install a whole-house surge protector. It might even cost less, and it would protect all of your appliances and your heat pump.

+1


And +1 on calling the power company.


They are charging you for a service, it should meet certain standards.
 

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Why do you feel the need to have a UPS on your HT system? I have one on my PC to prevent crashes, but I don't see the need to have this hooked up to my HT system. What am I missing?

I use one for my equipment for only one reason and it is not for surge protection. I'm not too concerned about being able to use my A/V system during a power outage other than my network equipment so that I still have internet access. More importantly, I don't want to brick a $1000+ device because I lost power while updating the firmware. $100 for a UPS is a worthwhile investment for peace of mind on $4000+ worth of equipment plugged in to the unit. If you have a projector, it might be beneficial to have one to allow you to properly shut it down in the event of a power outage. Might help to prolong the life of your bulb to allow it to cool down properly.
 
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