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I know I didn't create an "ideal" speaker setup but would love some advice on how to make it better.

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filipp2442

Discussion Starter · Jun 22, 2021

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Hello,

Please see below photos that show case my setup. I have a 7.1 ceiling speaker setup(3 in the front by the screen, 2 in the middle and 2 in the back by the couch). The subwoofer is on the rear right hand side below the hanging car poster along with the receiver/speaker wires/etc.

I did this setup back in 2013 when I renovated the house and installed some cheaper Mica 8" $50 ceiling speakers that I am now looking to upgrade. Ideally I'd like to not have to do any kind of dry wall or painting work in the upgrade. I'm thinking to just buy some higher end Klipsch ceiling speakers and replace all 7 to call it a day but figured I'd make a thread here to see if anyone has any recommendations for me. I'm open to switching the system completely but priorities would be no painting/drywall damage, no random wires running all over the place(not ideal with the receiver all the way in the back of the room).

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Zorba922

· #2 · Jun 22, 2021

filipp2442 said:
I'm open to switching the system completely but priorities would be no painting/drywall damage, no random wires running all over the place(not ideal with the receiver all the way in the back of the room).

1. Unless you seldom watch big budget action/thriller movies, I'd put the sub in the corner next to the window to get maximum boundary reinforcement. The location where you have currently have it has zero of that, so unless it's some 2000 watt, 15-21" monster sub you are probably getting very weak bass which is especially unfortunate given that all your speakers are in ceiling which usually means they produce very little mid-bass already. What make/model sub do you have?

2. Wireless speakers are still prone to a lot of glitches. If you want to use in-room speakers I'd find ways to hide wires along baseboards, at least for the critical front 3 speakers where it will make the most difference.

3. If you have no interest in Atmos, I'd keep your surrounds in-ceiling. If you wanted to upgrade them, I'd look at the RSL C34e due to it having angled tweeters AND angled woofers.

kblackburn101

· #3 · Jun 22, 2021

I’d consider towers or on walls on each side of your projector screen but no space for a center without an acoustic transparent screen . In ceilings as front 3 is very strange imo what’s it sound like elevator music ?
Maybe 🤔 phantom

tribesdude

· #4 · Jun 22, 2021

In terms of wireless (I hate wires myself), I have been using the rocketfish wireless surround kit from bestbuy on both of my setups (so one powering an infinity r152 and one powering a Polk s10) and I got to say, they have worked quite well for me (especially given their low price). Will it sound as good as powered directly by receiver (wired), no, but it still works extremely well imo. The avr takes care of the latency calibration (these have a latency of around 20ms), and overall I am quite happy with the setup.

Two caveats, however. A) I sit fairly close to my surround speakers; B) I do not listen to anything at reference volume (far too loud for my taste). If your surrounds are far from you and/or if you listen at reference volume, it is possible that such a kit may not be ideal for you (since if I recall, they only have 20w per channel amplification).

head_unit

· #5 · Jun 22, 2021

filipp2442 said:
no random wires

Yeah, who wants to see that. BUT your setup is rather challenged, yes. The basic problem is that due to physics, high frequencies beam severely, even mid frequencies. So for instance the highs from the from are beaming down on the floor in front of the screen and not getting back to the listening position except by random reflection.

For the mid and rear surround it may not be so bad since the angle isn't so much. As @Zorba922 suggested, something aimable would help. Or maybe something like this Monoprice Alpha Ceiling Speaker Dual 5.25in Carbon Fiber Surround 2-way Vari-Angled (single) - Monoprice.com depending on the angles involved. (I have no idea how good that speaker is, or if there are others with that form factor).
Yeah actual speakers in or on the wall would be better but maybe not enough for you to do all that work; I'm not feeling crazed urgency from your post ha ha
The fronts, at least something like those Monoprice. Or in-wall...can the screen come down enough to stick some speakers above it? Or are you projecting right to the top edge of it? An acoustically transparent screen would let you mount the speakers behind out of sight, aiming right at the listening area, that would help tremendously. Is that too expensive.
The angling of the ceiling is bothersome, though honestly that is probably not so horrible acoustically as we might feel.
The sub is in a weak spot. Ideally I'd want it up in the front corner, but if that is aesthetically forbidden then at least in the back corner. Wire behind the baseboards, or wireless subwoofer kit.
I hope your receiver has like Dirac or Audyssey, to help equalize all this stuff. Although in particular if you leave the fronts in-ceiling, no correction software will perform optimally.

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rekbones

· #6 · Jun 22, 2021

I would find or custom make a cover plate for the front 3 speakers holes with a ceiling mount bracket attached and hang 3 identical book shelf speakers. I wouldn't waste money on any solution staying with in ceiling front sound stage. Hire someone to hide the wires for a proper front sound stage would be better money spent if your not up to the task is the best solution.

Elihawk

· #7 · Jun 22, 2021

A couple issues I see
1. You sit so far away from your front three, that I would imagine they are not very effective as a front stage.
2. As mentioned, it is prefered to have speakers, if in ceiling is required, that can angle toward the LP.
3. You didn't mention what subwoofer you have, but a or several really good subs will make a the biggest difference, IMHO- unless you are having dialogue issues.
4. Not sure what those two side speakers are doing, content-wise?

MalVeauX

· #8 · Jun 22, 2021

Hi,

The biggest improvement will be your front stage. Currently the imaging simply cannot be good as you're always off-axis to the speakers and you're basically hearing reflections. In-ceiling main stage is the biggest handi-cap you've imposed on your setup. Your biggest improvement will be to move your main stage (front left, right and center) to the front wall in either the form of in-wall speakers or traditional cabinets around the screen. I would suggest this stage you could do a false wall and put the speakers in that wall and use an acoustically transparent screen. This is the single biggest step you could take in improving this space for audio purposes.

Very best,

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Daboyle82

· #9 · Jun 22, 2021

I would put in walls that are aimable for your LCR. In order to get the center correct, you can move your screen mount up to touch the ceiling and put center below screen aimed slightly up, or down to be 1" over the floor when down and mount center at the top. Ideally, I would change your screen to be an acoustically transparent one so you can do a proper LCR setup and mount new LCR 3 way speakers for the front stage at ear height. That will make the absolute most difference and a HUGE difference- I cannot stress it enough. Yes it will be some work, but it will pay off long term. You can leave the LCR ceiling speakers in the front in place just to avoid having to patch, and then splice off that wire to run wire to your LCR speakers. If you want to go one step further, you can change your rear surrounds to aimable ones. Speaker craft makes some AIM series speakers that are adjustable. I have found them to be great all around speakers. Also like someone else said, no mention of sub. That will have a huge impact as well since your range is limited by the size of your speakers and the sub can take care of your low end. One other thing to consider is what receiver you have. For the room conditions you are facing, you really need something that is audessy capable to be able to read and compensate for the acoustical challenges your room presents.

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filipp2442

Discussion Starter · #10 · Jun 22, 2021

Zorba922 said:
1. Unless you seldom watch big budget action/thriller movies, I'd put the sub in the corner next to the window to get maximum boundary reinforcement. The location where you have currently have it has zero of that, so unless it's some 2000 watt, 15-21" monster sub you are probably getting very weak bass which is especially unfortunate given that all your speakers are in ceiling which usually means they produce very little mid-bass already. What make/model sub do you have?

2. Wireless speakers are still prone to a lot of glitches. If you want to use in-room speakers I'd find ways to hide wires along baseboards, at least for the critical front 3 speakers where it will make the most difference.

3. If you have no interest in Atmos, I'd keep your surrounds in-ceiling. If you wanted to upgrade them, I'd look at the RSL C34e due to it having angled tweeters AND angled woofers.

kblackburn101 said:
I’d consider towers or on walls on each side of your projector screen but no space for a center without an acoustic transparent screen . In ceilings as front 3 is very strange imo what’s it sound like elevator music ?
Maybe 🤔 phantom

tribesdude said:
In terms of wireless (I hate wires myself), I have been using the rocketfish wireless surround kit from bestbuy on both of my setups (so one powering an infinity r152 and one powering a Polk s10) and I got to say, they have worked quite well for me (especially given their low price). Will it sound as good as powered directly by receiver (wired), no, but it still works extremely well imo. The avr takes care of the latency calibration (these have a latency of around 20ms), and overall I am quite happy with the setup.

Two caveats, however. A) I sit fairly close to my surround speakers; B) I do not listen to anything at reference volume (far too loud for my taste). If your surrounds are far from you and/or if you listen at reference volume, it is possible that such a kit may not be ideal for you (since if I recall, they only have 20w per channel amplification).

head_unit said:
Yeah, who wants to see that. BUT your setup is rather challenged, yes. The basic problem is that due to physics, high frequencies beam severely, even mid frequencies. So for instance the highs from the from are beaming down on the floor in front of the screen and not getting back to the listening position except by random reflection.

For the mid and rear surround it may not be so bad since the angle isn't so much. As @Zorba922 suggested, something aimable would help. Or maybe something like this Monoprice Alpha Ceiling Speaker Dual 5.25in Carbon Fiber Surround 2-way Vari-Angled (single) - Monoprice.com depending on the angles involved. (I have no idea how good that speaker is, or if there are others with that form factor).

Yeah actual speakers in or on the wall would be better but maybe not enough for you to do all that work; I'm not feeling crazed urgency from your post ha ha

The fronts, at least something like those Monoprice. Or in-wall...can the screen come down enough to stick some speakers above it? Or are you projecting right to the top edge of it? An acoustically transparent screen would let you mount the speakers behind out of sight, aiming right at the listening area, that would help tremendously. Is that too expensive.

The angling of the ceiling is bothersome, though honestly that is probably not so horrible acoustically as we might feel.

The sub is in a weak spot. Ideally I'd want it up in the front corner, but if that is aesthetically forbidden then at least in the back corner. Wire behind the baseboards, or wireless subwoofer kit.

I hope your receiver has like Dirac or Audyssey, to help equalize all this stuff. Although in particular if you leave the fronts in-ceiling, no correction software will perform optimally.

rekbones said:
I would find or custom make a cover plate for the front 3 speakers holes with a ceiling mount bracket attached and hang 3 identical book shelf speakers. I wouldn't waste money on any solution staying with in ceiling front sound stage. Hire someone to hide the wires for a proper front sound stage would be better money spent if your not up to the task is the best solution.

Elihawk said:
A couple issues I see
1. You sit so far away from your front three, that I would imagine they are not very effective as a front stage.
2. As mentioned, it is prefered to have speakers, if in ceiling is required, that can angle toward the LP.
3. You didn't mention what subwoofer you have, but a or several really good subs will make a the biggest difference, IMHO- unless you are having dialogue issues.
4. Not sure what those two side speakers are doing, content-wise?

MalVeauX said:
Hi,

The biggest improvement will be your front stage. Currently the imaging simply cannot be good as you're always off-axis to the speakers and you're basically hearing reflections. In-ceiling main stage is the biggest handi-cap you've imposed on your setup. Your biggest improvement will be to move your main stage (front left, right and center) to the front wall in either the form of in-wall speakers or traditional cabinets around the screen. I would suggest this stage you could do a false wall and put the speakers in that wall and use an acoustically transparent screen. This is the single biggest step you could take in improving this space for audio purposes.

Very best,

Daboyle82 said:
I would put in walls that are aimable for your LCR. In order to get the center correct, you can move your screen mount up to touch the ceiling and put center below screen aimed slightly up, or down to be 1" over the floor when down and mount center at the top. Ideally, I would change your screen to be an acoustically transparent one so you can do a proper LCR setup and mount new LCR 3 way speakers for the front stage at ear height. That will make the absolute most difference and a HUGE difference- I cannot stress it enough. Yes it will be some work, but it will pay off long term. You can leave the LCR ceiling speakers in the front in place just to avoid having to patch, and then splice off that wire to run wire to your LCR speakers. If you want to go one step further, you can change your rear surrounds to aimable ones. Speaker craft makes some AIM series speakers that are adjustable. I have found them to be great all around speakers. Also like someone else said, no mention of sub. That will have a huge impact as well since your range is limited by the size of your speakers and the sub can take care of your low end. One other thing to consider is what receiver you have. For the room conditions you are facing, you really need something that is audessy capable to be able to read and compensate for the acoustical challenges your room presents.

Thank you for the feedback everyone, I truly appreciate it. Want to answer a few questions:

1. My receiver is the Yamaha TSR-7850
2. My sub is a Sony one from a long time ago so I should upgrade it, anyone have a specific recommendation for my setup?
3. I do have some dialogue issues(always sounds quiet and I end up turning it up alot).
4. Are the RSL 34E better than the Klipsch CDT 5800?
5. The screen can go up a bit(the black parts at the bottom/top of the wall can go away and I can adjust the project to go upwards a bit) which could create some room at the bottom for a center front room speaker(I'd probably have to get some low profile cabinet to put it on). I assume no one makes a good wireless center + front Left/Right speaker and if I consider this route I should run wires along the base boards or trim?

Zorba922

· #11 · Jun 22, 2021

filipp2442 said:
Thank you for the feedback everyone, I truly appreciate it. Want to answer a few questions:

1. My receiver is the Yamaha TSR-7850
2. My sub is a Sony one from a long time ago so I should upgrade it, anyone have a specific recommendation for my setup?
3. I do have some dialogue issues(always sounds quiet and I end up turning it up alot).
4. Are the RSL 34E better than the Klipsch CDT 5800?
5. The screen can go up a bit(the black parts at the bottom/top of the wall can go away and I can adjust the project to go upwards a bit) which could create some room at the bottom for a center front room speaker(I'd probably have to get some low profile cabinet to put it on). I assume no one makes a good wireless center + front Left/Right speaker and if I consider this route I should run wires along the base boards or trim?

1. Receiver's fine. Don't waste your money upgrading electronics when your sub and front 3 are currently such a disaster, esp. since electronics make diddly difference compared to speakers & subs anyhow.

2. That looks to be a pretty huge open plan room. If you can only have ONE sub, I'd wait for the Hsu VTF-3 to come back in stock, it's the best price to performance 15" sub available.

3. This is totally predictable given that you have voices coming out of your ceiling so all you're hearing are REFLECTED voices. In-ceilings for the front 3 and especially for the all-important center (which does 60-80% of the HT output) are the worst possible choice. Even a soundbar would have been better.

If you want an immediate improvement, the least you can do is get a beefy horizontal center and put it on the floor right under your screen but angle it sharply up so that the tweeter points at ear level where you sit. Maybe something like this:

Back-tilted Solid Walnut Speaker Stands - Etsy

Back-tilted solid walnut speaker stands for medium speakers I made them myself. Theyre made to within roughly 1/8 inch accuracy. Each piece was sanded, stained and rubbed with boiled linseed oil for a hardened exterior. They measure 6 inches tall by 14 wide by 13 inches deep They will hold

www.etsy.com

The 3 best horizontal centers you can get for both performance and value:

Emotiva C2+ === you WANT your center to be the biggest and best speaker in your whole system, and this one delivers in spades. Combine with T0, T1+ or T2+ towers.
Infinity RC263 -- has the advantage of being a sealed cabinet if you need to push up flush against a wall. Combine with the R253 or R263 towers currently on sale ($150 & $200 each respectively)
Polk 706C (Amazon) === prettiest cabinet and its "PowerPort" design claims to not need much rear clearance, but the "matching" towers are very hard to find and grossly overpriced

If you wanted, you COULD do the C2+ with the Infinity towers as "timbre matching" during HT is folklore.

4. Most likely, yes due to the angled woofers/tweeter. They have garnered unanimously positive user feedback on this forum.

5. Yes just make your life easier and run wires along the baseboards/trim for the critical front 3. The surrounds can remain just as they are, since they only do a lousy 10-20% of the HT output at most.

Elihawk

· #12 · Jun 22, 2021

filipp2442 said:
Thank you for the feedback everyone, I truly appreciate it. Want to answer a few questions:

1. My receiver is the Yamaha TSR-7850
2. My sub is a Sony one from a long time ago so I should upgrade it, anyone have a specific recommendation for my setup?
3. I do have some dialogue issues(always sounds quiet and I end up turning it up alot).
4. Are the RSL 34E better than the Klipsch CDT 5800?
5. The screen can go up a bit(the black parts at the bottom/top of the wall can go away and I can adjust the project to go upwards a bit) which could create some room at the bottom for a center front room speaker(I'd probably have to get some low profile cabinet to put it on). I assume no one makes a good wireless center + front Left/Right speaker and if I consider this route I should run wires along the base boards or trim?

1. Agree with Zorba, receiver upgrade can wait.
2. Sub, well you are likely missing a lot of low hz content, especially if you like the modern action movie. 1-2 AT LEAST 12 inch subs for that space...
3. Dialogue, well as pointed out, that comes from your front speakers pointing toward the ground. Either get in ceiling with tilt-able tweeters (still a compromise) or find a way to make a front stage work that is actually in front of you, which will give you the best sound.
4. only your ears can answer #4, but both will likely be better than what you have.
5. that can solve you space for a horizontal center. Maybe you get a front three of box speakers and the existing surrounds might be fine.

Daboyle82

· #13 · Jun 22, 2021

filipp2442 said:
Thank you for the feedback everyone, I truly appreciate it. Want to answer a few questions:

1. My receiver is the Yamaha TSR-7850
2. My sub is a Sony one from a long time ago so I should upgrade it, anyone have a specific recommendation for my setup?
3. I do have some dialogue issues(always sounds quiet and I end up turning it up alot).
4. Are the RSL 34E better than the Klipsch CDT 5800?
5. The screen can go up a bit(the black parts at the bottom/top of the wall can go away and I can adjust the project to go upwards a bit) which could create some room at the bottom for a center front room speaker(I'd probably have to get some low profile cabinet to put it on). I assume no one makes a good wireless center + front Left/Right speaker and if I consider this route I should run wires along the base boards or trim?

Sub def deserves upgrade. SVS PB/SB 2000/3000/4000 are highly worth consideration just depending on your budget. Your receiver has YPAO so that will suffice. If you are confortable having a physical center channel speaker that would be the best option- and run wire however you see fit. I still recommend your left and right be facing directly at the viewers, either in wall, or in tower speakers. I have seen quite a bit of Paradigm studio cc-570 centers on offer up and ebay which are great centers for your needs. You will get a lot more bang for your buck going used vs new for sure. In my previous house, I bought 8 speakercraft Aim8 speakers for around $30 each ( they are $400 ish regularly ). They were yellowish from age, but I just masked the speaker portion off and took the grills off and put a fresh coat of white krylon on them. looked brand new after

Zorba922

· #14 · Jun 22, 2021

filipp2442 said:
5. The screen can go up a bit(the black parts at the bottom/top of the wall can go away and I can adjust the project to go upwards a bit) which could create some room at the bottom for a center front room speaker(I'd probably have to get some low profile cabinet to put it on). I assume no one makes a good wireless center + front Left/Right speaker and if I consider this route I should run wires along the base boards or trim?

Another option I forgot to mention is, you could use 3 identical 3-way horizontal center speakers since it looks like your ceiling is too low to allow you to raise the screen more than maybe 3-4 inches tops. This would allow you to retain a visually cleaner look if that's important to you. If you wanted to use sealed cabinet speakers that need minimal rear clearance, the Infinity RC263 or Emotiva C1+ would be my recommendation.

swgiust

· #15 · Jun 22, 2021

Towers on the left and right of the screen. A thin center on, or just above, the floor. Tilted up about 33 degrees. Keep the in ceilings for surrounds. If the floor center is not an option, go without. You might be surprised how good a system can sound with no center.

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Daboyle82

· #16 · Jun 22, 2021

Paradigm millennia is a good option for a thin speaker with decent response.

filipp2442

Discussion Starter · #17 · Jun 22, 2021

Zorba922 said:
1. Receiver's fine. Don't waste your money upgrading electronics when your sub and front 3 are currently such a disaster, esp. since electronics make diddly difference compared to speakers & subs anyhow.

2. That looks to be a pretty huge open plan room. If you can only have ONE sub, I'd wait for the Hsu VTF-3 to come back in stock, it's the best price to performance 15" sub available.

3. This is totally predictable given that you have voices coming out of your ceiling so all you're hearing are REFLECTED voices. In-ceilings for the front 3 and especially for the all-important center (which does 60-80% of the HT output) are the worst possible choice. Even a soundbar would have been better.

If you want an immediate improvement, the least you can do is get a beefy horizontal center and put it on the floor right under your screen but angle it sharply up so that the tweeter points at ear level where you sit. Maybe something like this:

Back-tilted Solid Walnut Speaker Stands - Etsy

Back-tilted solid walnut speaker stands for medium speakers I made them myself. Theyre made to within roughly 1/8 inch accuracy. Each piece was sanded, stained and rubbed with boiled linseed oil for a hardened exterior. They measure 6 inches tall by 14 wide by 13 inches deep They will hold

www.etsy.com

The 3 best horizontal centers you can get for both performance and value:

Emotiva C2+ === you WANT your center to be the biggest and best speaker in your whole system, and this one delivers in spades. Combine with T0, T1+ or T2+ towers.

Infinity RC263 -- has the advantage of being a sealed cabinet if you need to push up flush against a wall. Combine with the R253 or R263 towers currently on sale ($150 & $200 each respectively)

Polk 706C (Amazon) === prettiest cabinet and its "PowerPort" design claims to not need much rear clearance, but the "matching" towers are very hard to find and grossly overpriced

If you wanted, you COULD do the C2+ with the Infinity towers as "timbre matching" during HT is folklore.

4. Most likely, yes due to the angled woofers/tweeter. They have garnered unanimously positive user feedback on this forum.

5. Yes just make your life easier and run wires along the baseboards/trim for the critical front 3. The surrounds can remain just as they are, since they only do a lousy 10-20% of the HT output at most.

Elihawk said:
1. Agree with Zorba, receiver upgrade can wait.
2. Sub, well you are likely missing a lot of low hz content, especially if you like the modern action movie. 1-2 AT LEAST 12 inch subs for that space...
3. Dialogue, well as pointed out, that comes from your front speakers pointing toward the ground. Either get in ceiling with tilt-able tweeters (still a compromise) or find a way to make a front stage work that is actually in front of you, which will give you the best sound.
4. only your ears can answer #4, but both will likely be better than what you have.
5. that can solve you space for a horizontal center. Maybe you get a front three of box speakers and the existing surrounds might be fine.

Daboyle82 said:
Sub def deserves upgrade. SVS PB/SB 2000/3000/4000 are highly worth consideration just depending on your budget. Your receiver has YPAO so that will suffice. If you are confortable having a physical center channel speaker that would be the best option- and run wire however you see fit. I still recommend your left and right be facing directly at the viewers, either in wall, or in tower speakers. I have seen quite a bit of Paradigm studio cc-570 centers on offer up and ebay which are great centers for your needs. You will get a lot more bang for your buck going used vs new for sure. In my previous house, I bought 8 speakercraft Aim8 speakers for around $30 each ( they are $400 ish regularly ). They were yellowish from age, but I just masked the speaker portion off and took the grills off and put a fresh coat of white krylon on them. looked brand new after

swgiust said:
Towers on the left and right of the screen. A thin center on, or just above, the floor. Tilted up about 33 degrees. Keep the in ceilings for surrounds. If the floor center is not an option, go without. You might be surprised how good a system can sound with no center.

Daboyle82 said:
Paradigm millennia is a good option for a thin speaker with decent response.

Those are some great suggestions, thank you. I am definitely sold on upgrading my sub, might just go with the $1000 HSU VTF-3 you're recommending since this will be a long term upgrade.

I moved the screen up a bit and created about 14" of room between the floor and the bottom of the screen.

I found this low profile speaker stand on Amazon that I could buy and use with one of the horizontal centers you guys recommended and then try to run the wires all along the white baseboards with white trim: https://www.amazon.com/IsoAcoustics...ds=Center+Speaker+Stand&qid=1624378860&sr=8-8

Let me know if you guys think that's a good idea, only low profile media stand or center speaker stand I can find.

What front side speakers would you recommend? I can easily fit one on the right of the screen and the left may be a bit more tricky but assuming something flush should fit.

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Zorba922

· #18 · Jun 22, 2021

filipp2442 said:
Those are some great suggestions, thank you. I am definitely sold on upgrading my sub, might just go with the $1000 HSU VTF-3 you're recommending since this will be a long term upgrade.

I moved the screen up a bit and created about 14" of room between the floor and the bottom of the screen.

I found this low profile speaker stand on Amazon that I could buy and use with one of the horizontal centers you guys recommended and then try to run the wires all along the white baseboards with white trim: https://www.amazon.com/IsoAcoustics...ds=Center+Speaker+Stand&qid=1624378860&sr=8-8

Let me know if you guys think that's a good idea, only low profile media stand or center speaker stand I can find.

What front side speakers would you recommend? I can easily fit one on the right of the screen and the left may be a bit more tricky but assuming something flush should fit.

That ISO stand only offers 6.5 degrees of tilt. I think you need at least 30 degrees since the speaker would be so low on the floor.

You might be better off trying black yoga wedges like this:

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Amazon.com : OPTP Slant (Pair) - Foam Incline Slant Boards for Calf, Ankle and Foot Stretching : Step Platforms : Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com : OPTP Slant (Pair) - Foam Incline Slant Boards for Calf, Ankle and Foot Stretching : Step Platforms : Sports & Outdoors

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If you don't mind having towers, either of the Infinity Reference towers currently on sale would be a good choice. JBL also has its Studio 580 and 590 towers on sale with free return shipping if you're ok with their looks---these would sound amazing, if WAF allows. During 2 channel music, those JBLs would especially shine.

If you do want a less visually imposing/conspicuous look then I'd stick to doing 3 horizontal 3 way centers as previously suggested.

Zorba922

· #19 · Jun 22, 2021

PS. If you don't want to wait for the VTF-3 to come back in stock in mid July (Hsu's current estimate) you could do a pair of SVS PB1000 Pro subs, one on each side of the couch.

For a good explanation on the why and how of dual vs single subs:

www.svsound.com

Why Go Dual Subwoofers?

From increased output to balanced sound, going dual can add to your system. Learn why and if it’s the right move for your room.

www.svsound.com

www.svsound.com

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Zorba922

· #20 · Jun 22, 2021

PPS. Another option is 3 x Hsu CCB-8 speakers, laid horizontally. Because they are a concentric driver design, they can be laid on their sides with no ill effects. The L/R can be toed in sharply as per Hsu's recommendations. These might provide the cleanest look and are also available in a Rosewood veneer if desired.

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