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Hello all - I know there's already been discussion of this TV, but I haven't seen a review by anyone who saw it in person, so I created a new thread. If you don't want the entire story, just skip down to the bottom for my final impressions. By the way, they didn't allow photography, so sorry, no pictures.

The Demonstration


The display was behind closed doors - you have to get a ticket and wait in line to get in. The room has a surround sound system and two plasma displays - a PDP-6070HD, and the Plasma that I will refer to as the "Super Plasma". You'll find out from my review that it is fully deserving of that title!


The PDP-6070HD is playing at first, with the other display off. Well, we thought it was off. The 6070 looks great, of course. The presentation began by the 6070 turning off and the new TV coming on.

The. Picture. Was. Fantastic.


We watched a five minute clip while I searched in vain for a flaw in the picture. It wasn't there. Sometimes the blacks on my NEC plasma disappoint - not so with the Super Plasma.


A clip of a model with porcelain skin was shown, and a dark-skinned, stubbled photographer. The photographer's jacket was black leather, and every fold and shadow was accurately reproduced without crush. The model's fair skin and vivid clothing were almost 3D. Skin tones were perfect on both people, despite their different looks. Gone was the sometimes obvious green tint inherent with some Pioneers. Colors were incredibly vivid, but not cartoony - it was obviously an exceptional display perfectly calibrated.


Then the real test came - both TVs on at the same time. They played a scene from the Haunted Mansion, and the Super Plasma proceeded to simply embarass the 6070 in every aspect - color rendition, black detail, contrast - everything.


As the presentation continued, we were told that the new display has brand new processing, a new color filter, and a totally new panel. Basically it's a new TV from the ground up. They claimed 20,000:1 contrast ratio (almost definitely dynamic contrast), and 80% lower black levels than the current models.
Final Impressions

This was simply the best television image I've ever seen.


Blacks were BLACK. The room was dimly lit, and the black sections of the picture all but disappeared into the black bezel. Contrast was fantastic, as advertised. The image was equally as bright as the 6070, but had, of course, much deeper blacks. The deep blacks were even more impressive when one considers that the 50" FHD1 has worse blacks than the other 50" displays - the fact they could not only achieve such a great picture with such nice black levels is only made more amazing by the fact that the 60" in the demo was a 1920x1080 display.


There was no false contouring. Colors were more natural than on any plasma I've seen. Blacks (have I mentioned this) were BLACK. No black crush was evident in scenes with fine detail in the shadows - all detail was preserved.


Letterboxing bars were barely visible against the black bezel when I was looking directly at them, and disappeared completely when I was actually watching the image.


In short, if the product Pioneer releases this summer is of equal quality to the one in the presentation I saw, this plasma will redefine the game.
 

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it will redefine the game, and your bank account. you know pioneer is going to get really high and mighty with their pricing on this one. as if they werent already.

Of course.
 

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it will redefine the game, and your bank account. you know pioneer is going to get really high and mighty with their pricing on this one. as if they werent already.

This is the first real significant jump in plasma technology I've seen in years. We aren't talking an incremental improvement here. If you don't want to spend, don't. I probably won't be able to!


When you're the best, you can price accordingly.
 

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the black sections of the picture all but disappeared into the black bezel

This sold me right there. a while back watching my 5071, I had a thought.....mmmm in a darkroom, i can see the bezel. now THATS BLACK. the bezel that is.


I want a display that could do that. lol ! i hope the price is affordable. by next year i will want a new display.


4k for me...max. none of this take out a mortgage to buy a tv thing. sorry.


if pioneer is in that range, they will have my cash next year.
 

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This sold me right there. a while back watching my 5071, I had a thought.....mmmm in a darkroom, i can see the bezel. now THATS BLACK. the bezel that is.


I want a display that could do that. lol ! i hope the price is affordable. by next year i will want a new display.


4k for me...max. none of this take out a mortgage to buy a tv thing. sorry.


if pioneer is in that range, they will have my cash next year.

Unfortunately, I doubt that this display will hit that price point - but if it does, count me in too!
 

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They have to put out at least 65" or I won't be interested. Sorry. Fujitsu's impending 65" beast has settled my misgivings over the Panny's failings. Our current plasma, the old Fujitsu PDS-5004, was the very best for its time, and still blows most current plasmas out of the water in most respects.
 

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Unfortunately, I doubt that this display will hit that price point - but if it does, count me in too!

Maybe not the 60 1080p set. But a 50 or 42 inch 768p version maybe?


Thanks for the personal review. Always appreciated!
 

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Maybe not the 60 1080p set. But a 50 or 42 inch 768p version maybe?


Thanks for the personal review. Always appreciated!

True, but then I doubt it's anything close to the Super Plasma that was being demonstrated. I have a feeling that Pioneer will have a decent jump in quality for a slightly higher price in their Pioneer consumer model, but their "Super Plasma" will be priced on the high end, much like the FHD1 is now. A 60" for about $10,000.00 list seems appropriate if not a little higher. A 50" probably in the $8500.00 range list. These will be sold at high end stores where negotiating and competition is limited much like the Elites are now also. Oh well, we can all dream can't we?

 

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They have to put out at least 65" or I won't be interested. Sorry. Fujitsu's impending 65" beast has settled my misgivings over the Panny's failings. Our current plasma, the old Fujitsu PDS-5004, was the very best for its time, and still blows most current plasmas out of the water in most respects.

The trouble is the new Fujitsu appears to have been invisible at CES. I didn't read a single eyewitness post.
 

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The trouble is the new Fujitsu appears to have been invisible at CES. I didn't read a single eyewitness post.

Right - I did see it in person at CEDIA, and it was very impressive, but I didn't get to watch in a light controlled, varied environment with such varied material as I did the new Pioneer. It was also three months ago, so it's hard to compare them accurately in my mind.
 

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My body is tickling itself just thinging about a display like this.


Has anyone ever though what kind of front projector Pioneer can make? I want this type of technology in a projector (maybe the ruby).

Pioneer would have to bring in some serious outside help at this point to make a quality digital projector. LCD, DLP, and LCOS are the technologies used for digital front projectors, and Pioneer has competencies in NONE of those technologies, having always focused on either CRT, or later, Plasma.
 

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Right - I did see it in person at CEDIA, and it was very impressive, but I didn't get to watch in a light controlled, varied environment with such varied material as I did the new Pioneer. It was also three months ago, so it's hard to compare them accurately in my mind.

Did you have a gut reaction as to which produced the better picture?
 

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will the 42" get all of this new technology (new panel, filter, processing, etc.)? i'm set on a 42" size (obviously 720p), and if they implement this new tech in that size, how much more expensive will it be compared to pio's 7G 42"?
 

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Did you have a gut reaction as to which produced the better picture?

When I saw the Fujitsu, I was impressed. Even without knowing it was a new display, it really caught my eye.


When I saw the Pioneer demo, I was blown away. So based on my two reactions, the Pioneer was the more impressive display.


Please don't hold me to that, though - I highly respect both companies, and I'd have to see them side by side (not three months apart) to know for sure.
 
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