[bogey776]

Hi everyone,

Well, I finally pulled the trigger yesterday at BestBuy. I drove over to the store with my wife and got approved for 24 mths no interest financing. We had actually decided that we would get the Mitsubishi 48" non-HD model but we were dissappointed to find out that was last years model and was not available.

So we went up a notch in price and size and bought the Mitsubishi WS-55315. I got home and hooked it up. We are sitting about 11-12 feet from the front of the screen. Within an hour or so, we were both very queasy. I don't know if it is just too large or what, but this thing is driving me crazy. I did the auto convergence and adjusted the video settings with a little improvement, but it is still pretty bad.

I have several questions:


1. Is this something we will get used to in a short time or should I return it for a smaller screen?


2. Will I pay a penalty on the return, I had to cut it out of the box and I've already got rid of the box?


3. I bought the $250 4 year service plan, can I just put that on the new TV?


4. Is there a restocking fee?


Please give me some info. if you can.


Thanks,

bogey776

 

[DanP]

I've never heard of anyone feeling queasy watching a CRT.....very common with DLPs, though.


I say give it time if you're used to small screen TVs. 55" at 11-12 feet is not too big. Lots of people would want to go even bigger.


I think Best Buy gives you 30 days money back guarantee. I've never heard of a restocking fee when returning a widescreen. It is not uncommon for people to switch out their TV before the return policy expires.

 

[bogey776]

Thanks DanP,

We did go from a 32" tube to this new 55" RPTV. I wonder if it is something in the settings I could change.


Anyone else, please chime in if you can give some info on my original post or suggest some change in settings.

 

[bogey776]

One other thing I forgot to mention, I have all my video sources (Dish 508PVR, Sony DVD, and Panasonic VCR hooked up via component cables into my Kenwood Receiver/AMP. The only connection I have hooked to the TV is the monitor out into the Video 1 input on the TV. I hooked it up this way so my surround sound system would produce the sound and not come thru the TV speakers.


But from what I understand, this would only show up as a picture quality problem, but not that seasick feeling.


Any information or opinions would be appreciated.

 

[dougpt10]

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Originally posted by bogey776 One other thing I forgot to mention, I have all my video sources (Dish 508PVR, Sony DVD, and Panasonic VCR hooked up via component cables into my Kenwood Receiver/AMP. The only connection I have hooked to the TV is the monitor out into the Video 1 input on the TV. I hooked it up this way so my surround sound system would produce the sound and not come thru the TV speakers. But from what I understand, this would only show up as a picture quality problem, but not that seasick feeling. Any information or opinions would be appreciated.

I had the same wiring setup with my 50" Mits and sat about 8'away. I just got my 61" JVC and moved my seating to around 10-11'. I also changed my wiring to all my video going directly to the TV inputs and only sending my audio to my receiver to avoid any PQ loss. The only drawback is if you do not have a universal remote that is automatically changing inputs for you is that you have to change the video on input on the TV instead of just changing your receivers input. I have never felt uneasy with the bigger TVs and it is definitely something you get used to. Most will tell you if you are unsure to go bigger. You will regret it later, Doug

 

[bogey776]

Thanks Doug,

I hadn't thought about sending my component video to the TV and the audio to the receiver. I may try that set up when I get home today. As far as the remote goes, I have a jp1 enabled remote that can be configured to do just about anything.


Also, the shows we were watching last night were Law and Order SVU and Crossing Jordan. Law and Order, especially, and Crossing Jordan to some extent both do a lot of panning around and I think this may have contributed to the uneasy feeling we both had.


I know I'm asking a lot of questions, but what format should I be using for SD shows over Dish Network. Should I use standard, stretch, stretch plus, etc. or is it just what looks best to me.


Thanks guys, with every post I'm feeling better about the TV. I really want to keep it because it looks great picture wise and really has that theater feel to it.

 

[TiMo Tim]

If you're watching stretched 4:3 material using a variable-stretch mode (JVC calls it Panorama, but it's where the middle is unstretched and the sides are stretched more), that could cause the queasy feeling. It's especially noticable on programs with lots of panning, where things change shape as they move into and out of the middle of the screen.


I've seen it myself on my JVC, and I avoid using that mode unless it's a fairly static image.


Tim

 

[bogey776]

TimoTim,

That's exactly what's happening. I didn't realize it until you talked about the stretch mode stetching the sides more than the middle. The best analogy I can give is when you put on someone's glasses and it always looks like the floor is further away from you.


What mode do you suggest for normal viewing of SD 4:3 programs?

 

[rynberg]

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Originally posted by bogey776 What mode do you suggest for normal viewing of SD 4:3 programs?

Get an antenna up and only watch HD programming...


I just leave it in 4:3 mode with gray bars or use a zoom mode that cuts off the top and bottom. The stretch modes are definitely responsible for you feeling queasy. I watch enough 16:9 material to not worry about burn-in.


BTW, if you destroy the box, most places will not accept a return.

 

[DanP]

My video also bypasses the integrated amp. Signal goes from the wall (DirectTV) to the satellite receiver (RCA DTC100) and S-Video out to the S-Video input in back of my Pioneer Elite RPTV. A second RGB connection goes from the RCA DTC100 to the RGB input of the Elite. When I watch hi-def, I use a macro I programmed into my Pronto remote to go from SD input 2 (S-Video input) to HD input 3 (RGB input). I audio out from the DTC100 to my Pioneer Elite integrated amp.


Regarding your stretch mode, I can see where that would mess with your gray matter. The reason I disqualified the Mitsus from my purchasing decision was precisely that reason. The Elites have the best stretches in the business....you hardly notice at all.

 

[ADGrant]

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Originally posted by bogey776 One other thing I forgot to mention, I have all my video sources (Dish 508PVR, Sony DVD, and Panasonic VCR hooked up via component cables into my Kenwood Receiver/AMP. The only connection I have hooked to the TV is the monitor out into the Video 1 input on the TV. I hooked it up this way so my surround sound system would produce the sound and not come thru the TV speakers. But from what I understand, this would only show up as a picture quality problem, but not that seasick feeling. Any information or opinions would be appreciated.

How did you hook up your VCR using component cables? Unless you have an HD VCR (unlikely since your previous TV was not HD), your VCR won't have component outputs. It probably won't have S-Video outputs either unless it is an S-VHS VCR.

 

[bogey776]

Well, I thought they were component cables. They have gold ends and have a big wire for video and two smaller wires for left and right audio.


See how little I know.


Just in case this TV doesn't work out, do any of you have any experience with exchanging a TV at best buy when you don't have the box?

 

[toothy mako]

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Originally posted by bogey776 TimoTim, That's exactly what's happening. I didn't realize it until you talked about the stretch mode stetching the sides more than the middle. The best analogy I can give is when you put on someone's glasses and it always looks like the floor is further away from you. What mode do you suggest for normal viewing of SD 4:3 programs?

You'll just have to play with the different stretch modes and find one you like, or else just keep it 4:3 which of course bears some risk of burn-in depending on how much you watch.


BTW, I'm pretty certain BB charges a restocking fee unless you have all the original packaging.

 

[harley1]

Quote:

Originally posted by bogey776 Well, I thought they were component cables. They have gold ends and have a big wire for video and two smaller wires for left and right audio. See how little I know. Just in case this TV doesn't work out, do any of you have any experience with exchanging a TV at best buy when you don't have the box?

Component cables have a red,blue,and green marking on the ends.


Yellow is video,white and red are left and right audio connections.


Try running a s-video cable from your Dish box to the tv and run the audio cables to the audio receiver.


Run component cables for your hd from sat box and dvd player.

 

[bogey776]

When I went home for lunch, I hooked up the S video cable from the Dish receiver into the back of the TV. That seemed to help a little. I think I'll just have to watch it for a few days and experiment.


I wonder if one of those configuration dvd's like Avia or (I can't remember the other one) would help?


Maybe I'll just get used to the TV over the next few days. Just from browsing and searching here, it seems most people are fairly happy with their RPTV's at the same distance or even closer.

 

[ADGrant]

My suggestions:


1) Keep the TV but make better use of it.


2) Hook the DVD player up to it using Component cables not the composite cables you are currently using. Configure the DVD player to use widescreen mode (the 16:9 setting in the configuration menu).

If your receiver supports digital audio, use it.


3) Get a HD source, either DISH or depending on where you live, digital cable.


4) Get rid of any pre-recorded VHS movies. You may want to retire your VCR. VHS is almost unwatchable on a large HD TV.

 

[bogey776]

ADGrant,

I should have mentioned, the DVD player looks great with the standard video and audio cables. I don't have any issues at all with the picture or sound quality from the DVD player.


You are probably right about the VCR, I think the only reason it is still in my setup is because the VCR clock is the only clock in the room.


Regarding the HD setup. I believe that is going to have to be something in the future. I have the Dish PVR and absolutely love it, can't do without it. I asked Dish about changing to an HD capable receiver, but they don't have one with the PVR feature as of yet.


Thanks for the suggestions

 

[ADGrant]

The DVD player my look great but it will look much better with component cables. If you have a Dobly Digital capable receiver, you will need a digital audio cable to actually hear the 5 channel surround sound. If you have not set the DVD player up to work correctly with a 16:9 set, you should do this, otherwise widescreen movies will not be displayed correctly.


Dish did have an HD PVR, maybe the removed from the market. You can have more than one Dish receiver BTW (e.g. PVR and HD).


I have had a Tivo since 1999 (one of the original PVRs with what is probably the best software). I still watch all non HD channels through the Tivo but HD is so much better I try to watch it live when ever I can.

 

[av_canuck]

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Originally posted by DanP I've never heard of anyone feeling queasy watching a CRT.....very common with DLPs, though.

"very common with DLPs"????????


guess all those hundreds of thousands (maybe millions now?) of poor people out there with DLPs must have chuckup buckets beside their couches to deal with this "very common" queasiness




comeon - a little reality please. misinformation doesn't do anybody good.


DLP's will not cause people to fall to the floor convulsing, start projectile vomiting, or have their heads explode.

 

[DanP]

Yeah, I shouldn't have said 'very common.' On the other hand, it is the only TV technology that I've come across that makes some people sick. Bogey, here, seems to be feeling ill from the stretch modes. But I get a queasy, sick feeling from watching DLPs, as do others (most describe it as headaches, I think). It's got to be a small percent, though.