[Spencer1230]

I have a ReplayTV. I want to record 1st run shows only. For instance: I record "NYPD Blue".


If I record using "show-based" recording, it will record all episodes of "NYPD Blue" occurring every (Tue) on Channel 27(WJLA) at or around 10:00PM - 11:00PM. This will record only an hour show "at or around" 10pm - 11pm. It will not record a 2 hour season finale.


If I record using "theme-based" recording, it will record all episodes of "NYPD Blue" looking for the keyword(s): "NYPD Blue". This will record a 2 hour season finale, but it will also record EVERY episode on EVERY channel which can sometimes be 5 or more times per day (which will overwrite the episodes that I want).


From what I understand, TiVo has a choice to record only 1st run shows. If this was available in the "theme-based" recording, then it would solve my problem. Alternatively, if you could set it to record only one channel during primetime, it would probably solve the problem too.


Any ideas?

 

[BaysideBas]

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Originally posted by Spencer1230 I This will record only an hour show "at or around" 10pm - 11pm. It will not record a 2 hour season finale.

Not true, a show based recording will record a two-hour season finale. In this particular case even if the finale runs from 8 to 10PM that Tuesday.


What it will not record is if two separately listed back to back episodes are presented. In that case it will fail to record the one not at the regular time.

 

[cwoody222]

Actually, any combo (not just 8-10pm on Tues) of two hours would get scheduled - IF the hour is "one time slot" away from the regular 10-11 slot. So, even a 11-1am show would get scheduled.


But...since that extra "hour" might be in conflict, Replay might not record it - just schedule it. Same with if you don't have an extra hour left to guarantee.


As for first runs only - it's a VERY COOL feature of TiVo that Replay is really lacking in, IMHO.

 

[Serra]

I have to disagree about the "First Run Only" setting being cool. To me, I find I can't trust "First Run Only" for my favorite shows. It depends highly on the guide data, which is often wrong. Plus it totally does't work on some networks, so you end up having to test it to see if it will work.


I find it works fine on fox, cbs and wb, but works badly on MTV, Comedy Central and other cable networks.


If we had FRO on Replay, I'm not sure I would use it on my favorite shows for fear that the guide data would be wrong and I would miss an episode.

 

[Lori]

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Originally posted by Serra I have to disagree about the "First Run Only" setting being cool. To me, I find I can't trust "First Run Only" for my favorite shows. It depends highly on the guide data, which is often wrong. Plus it totally does't work on some networks, so you end up having to test it to see if it will work. I find it works fine on fox, cbs and wb, but works badly on MTV, Comedy Central and other cable networks. If we had FRO on Replay, I'm not sure I would use it on my favorite shows for fear that the guide data would be wrong and I would miss an episode.

You are right, Serra, about the guide data being poor for many "cable" channels, Comedy Central probably being the worst. However, the way that TiVo implements FRO is such that it minimizes the chance that you will miss a show. To decide if a show is "new", TiVo looks for an original airdate that is within 7 days of the date of the recording. If the OAD is older than 7 days, TiVo assumes that the show is a repeat and doesn't record it.


The reason for the 7 days is to catch shows that air multiple times in a week. For example, if the Sopranos has a new episode airing on Sunday, May 5th, and I have a conflict preventing it from being recorded at that time, that episode will still be considered "new" when TiVo goes to record it on Monday and will, therefore, be caught by an FRO Season Pass. THe 28-day rule will prevent it from recording multiple times that week, BTW.


If there is no OAD (as is the case with the "cable" channels you mention), TiVo has no info to go on and, in that case, always assumes that the episode is new and records it. Because there is no episode info, however, the 28-day rule doesn't apply, resulting in multiple recordings of the same show (I typically get 5-8 episodes of South Park a week, many of them the same).


The only time that FRO doesn't catch a new show is if the OAD Is flat-out wrong, as was the case earlier this year with Queer as Folk. The folks at Showtime had the OAD for the January eps as January 2001. Needless to say, that wouldn't have been caught by my FRO SP. However, someone with an eagle eye caught it and posted about it in out Season Pass Alerts forum so most of us didn't actually miss an episode anyway. We just had to change our SPs from FRO to First Run and Repeats for a couple weeks till Showtime got it fixed.

 

[BaysideBas]

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Originally posted by cwoody222 Actually, any combo (not just 8-10pm on Tues) of two hours would get scheduled - IF the hour is "one time slot" away from the regular 10-11 slot. So, even a 11-1am show would get scheduled.

Actually, don't count on it. As I have found and posted earlier last month, if the original show is bumped to the adjacent time slot (a 1 hour show scheduled for 9PM gets bumped to 10 PM) but the bumping is done not by a single 1 hour show but by 2 half hour shows then it will NOT record. Apparently the algorythm looks for it in the original slot (9PM), finds a half hour show there, then looks for the original show at the next program start, which in this case is 9:30PM, not 10PM, not finding it there it just doesn't look any further.

As I've wished for before, it would be very useful to have a "record anytime it appears in prime-time" option.

 

[Spencer1230]

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Originally posted by BaysideBas As I've wished for before, it would be very useful to have a "record anytime it appears in prime-time" option.

I like this idea! This too would solve my problem!

 

[markus98]

Regular expression matching would be great.


!(REPEAT.*


Even simplistic regular expression parsing;

% - one character

* - many characters

!(stuff) not that stuff


Honestly though- most of the repeat stuff is tagged "REPEAT:" so why not make that a boolean toggle?


---fyi I only have DSS and basic cable--


M

 

[markus98]

agh. avsforum smilied some code...


!(REPEAT COLON CLOSE-PAREN DOT STAR


is what it would have looked like.

 

[lizard_boy]

Quote:

Originally posted by markus98 agh. avsforum smilied some code... !(REPEAT COLON CLOSE-PAREN DOT STAR is what it would have looked like.

you can edit your original post & check the 'disable smilies' to take care of that problem

 

[cwoody222]

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Originally posted by BaysideBas Actually, don't count on it. As I have found and posted earlier last month, if the original show is bumped to the adjacent time slot (a 1 hour show scheduled for 9PM gets bumped to 10 PM) but the bumping is done not by a single 1 hour show but by 2 half hour shows then it will NOT record. Apparently the algorythm looks for it in the original slot (9PM), finds a half hour show there, then looks for the original show at the next program start, which in this case is 9:30PM, not 10PM, not finding it there it just doesn't look any further. As I've wished for before, it would be very useful to have a "record anytime it appears in prime-time" option.

That is correct; it looks one "timeslot".


If there was a special from 8pm-1am and then the NYPD Blue was on from 1am -3am (a stupid example, I know), NYPD Blue would be recorded because it's one show away from the regular time.


If there was a special from 8-11pm, then the 11:00 News and then NYPD Blue came on at 11:30 it would NOT get recorded because the show in the adjacent timeslot was the News.

 

[solitas]

This confused me. If I have show based recordings for Enterprise at 8:00 and Drew Cary at 9:00, and the they have a 2 hour Enterprise special, that will keep Drew from being recorded, correct ?

 

[KenL]

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Originally posted by markus98 Regular expression matching would be great. !(REPEAT.* Even simplistic regular expression parsing; % - one character * - many characters !(stuff) not that stuff

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(wink wink)

 

[BaysideBas]

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Originally posted by solitas This confused me. If I have show based recordings for Enterprise at 8:00 and Drew Cary at 9:00, and the they have a 2 hour Enterprise special, that will keep Drew from being recorded, correct ?

It depends.


If they are both guaranteed and the Enterprise is listed as a single 2 hour program, Yes.


If, as happens next Wednesday, Enterprise is 2 separately listed 1 hour programs, no. You'll get the first Enterprise and the Drew Carey, the second Enterprise will be ignored.

 

[cwoody222]

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Originally posted by BaysideBas It depends. If they are both guaranteed and Enterprise is listed as a single 2 hour program, Yes. If, as happens next Wednesday, Enterprise is 2 separately listed 1 hour programs, no. You'll get the first Enterprise and the Drew Carey, the second Enterprise will be ignored.

Not quite.


You can't with any certainty know WHICH show Replay will pick to record. When faced with a guaranteed conflict Replay will choose the show that was set to record earlier.


If your Drew recording is 3 years old and your Enterprise recording is only as old as that show (less than a year), it'll record Drew.


This will happen whether Enterprise is 2 hours, or 1. It will skip the entire show if ANY PART is in conflict.

 

[cwoody222]

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Originally posted by solitas This confused me.

That's my point.


But at least you have Commercial Advance, right?