If new DLP´s cost $10.000 why not buy D-iLA as it´s better
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Smitty - Great post! I was wondering what you were talking about...then I got it <LOL>.
My take:
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A D-ILA is noisier than most DLPs. It runs hotter, so it requires a more powerful fan (hence the noise). The case is probably not the most beautiful available (at least on the non-HT projectors like the G15).
Still, my next projector will definitely be a calibrated G15 (D-ILA). For me, It's all about the picture. If you have a dedicated home theater, and are willing to use a hush box, the non-image issues are irrelevant.
D-ILA has no spinning wheels (no rainbows), a full spectrum Xenon bulb (beutiful daylight-matching colors), perfect 1:1 pixel mapping, 3 real primary colors (3-chip architecture), SXGA+ resolution, 93% fill factor, adjustable gamma ramps, etc...
While the picture is still tough to beat (the G15 is referred to as the "reference projector that all others are to be compared to" by Jeff McNeal of the Big Picture), you do need to think about if the non-image related issues will affect you, though. See my signature for one way to address that.
Everything is getting quite good lately, and I would expect that anything at the $10K price point will be exceptional! I hear great things about many of the single-chip DLPs coming out lately. However, for that kind of money, I personally would not be interested in having my color generated by a spinning color wheel.
Mark Hunter
D-ILA Owner.
See pictures of my Home Theater: www.theaterphile.com
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My take:
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A D-ILA is noisier than most DLPs. It runs hotter, so it requires a more powerful fan (hence the noise). The case is probably not the most beautiful available (at least on the non-HT projectors like the G15).
Still, my next projector will definitely be a calibrated G15 (D-ILA). For me, It's all about the picture. If you have a dedicated home theater, and are willing to use a hush box, the non-image issues are irrelevant.
D-ILA has no spinning wheels (no rainbows), a full spectrum Xenon bulb (beutiful daylight-matching colors), perfect 1:1 pixel mapping, 3 real primary colors (3-chip architecture), SXGA+ resolution, 93% fill factor, adjustable gamma ramps, etc...
While the picture is still tough to beat (the G15 is referred to as the "reference projector that all others are to be compared to" by Jeff McNeal of the Big Picture), you do need to think about if the non-image related issues will affect you, though. See my signature for one way to address that.
Everything is getting quite good lately, and I would expect that anything at the $10K price point will be exceptional! I hear great things about many of the single-chip DLPs coming out lately. However, for that kind of money, I personally would not be interested in having my color generated by a spinning color wheel.
Mark Hunter
D-ILA Owner.
See pictures of my Home Theater: www.theaterphile.com
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A compelling question, that is most likely based around usability, aesthetics, ease of installation, native 16:9 capability, size, heat output, absolute need for professional installation/software calibration, cost/hr, lack of keystone (optical) correction (sharp), work required to mate a native 4:3 projector with widescreens.
If the G11 was still being produced, I believe many more D-ILA's would be sold.
All coming from a D_ila owner.
No projector can put more pixels on the screen with a than a D-ILA with a panamorph. With used G1000's below 5000 dollars, this combination is unbeatable if you have a time and ability to put this together.
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If the G11 was still being produced, I believe many more D-ILA's would be sold.
All coming from a D_ila owner.
No projector can put more pixels on the screen with a than a D-ILA with a panamorph. With used G1000's below 5000 dollars, this combination is unbeatable if you have a time and ability to put this together.
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Jeff,
Loud. Yes. Ugly. Sure. I do spend most of my HT time looking at the screen, however. None of these things is a piece of art. Hot. You forgot "hot." Now let us get to "poor contrast." Had you said, "difficult to set up," or something like that I would concur. When properly adjusted and fed with a great signal the D-ILA just blows away eveything in its price class. HD shown with a D-ILA is far better than that shown on a DLP. I know that my G15 has many drawbacks but the picture is not one of them. Art
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Loud. Yes. Ugly. Sure. I do spend most of my HT time looking at the screen, however. None of these things is a piece of art. Hot. You forgot "hot." Now let us get to "poor contrast." Had you said, "difficult to set up," or something like that I would concur. When properly adjusted and fed with a great signal the D-ILA just blows away eveything in its price class. HD shown with a D-ILA is far better than that shown on a DLP. I know that my G15 has many drawbacks but the picture is not one of them. Art
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The list price for the calibrated G150T is 18k and I believe that is without a lens. TS set the expectation that there would be little or no discounting on the street on this unit at Infocomm.
There are reports here at AVS that the Sharp 9000 can be picked up retail at less than 8k.
The NEC LT150 DLP that has been getting positive reviews is about 2k.
A used G1000 will run about 4k off of Ebay. But I don't know how that compares overall to the lower cost NEC or the higher cost Sharp.
So basically, the playing field is far from being equal as your subject seemed to indicate.
--Les
There are reports here at AVS that the Sharp 9000 can be picked up retail at less than 8k.
The NEC LT150 DLP that has been getting positive reviews is about 2k.
A used G1000 will run about 4k off of Ebay. But I don't know how that compares overall to the lower cost NEC or the higher cost Sharp.
So basically, the playing field is far from being equal as your subject seemed to indicate.
--Les
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How exactly is the Sharp not PC friendly?
Is it like the Sony 10 HT in that it won't do 1:1 pixel mapping at user-selectable refresh rates? Is one forced to "fake" an HDTV signal via the RGB input using an HTPC?
Someone please explain...
Is it like the Sony 10 HT in that it won't do 1:1 pixel mapping at user-selectable refresh rates? Is one forced to "fake" an HDTV signal via the RGB input using an HTPC?
Someone please explain...
I disagree that a G-11 is ugly.
Loud, yes. Bulky, yes. Maybe not a piece of art, but definitely not ugly.
And during the winter, the exhaust feels great when I prop my feet up beside it. I actually have the ottoman set just for that http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif
And once I get optimagery, the picture should be even better.
BTW if there are any vacant spots for dilard/optimagery beta testers, I'm available.(Mark, hint! hint!)
SP
Loud, yes. Bulky, yes. Maybe not a piece of art, but definitely not ugly.
And during the winter, the exhaust feels great when I prop my feet up beside it. I actually have the ottoman set just for that http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif
And once I get optimagery, the picture should be even better.
BTW if there are any vacant spots for dilard/optimagery beta testers, I'm available.(Mark, hint! hint!)
SP
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As most of us here have posted, there are many differences to these 2 types of projectors. There is no clear cut winner (as an unbiased source-we deal with both). http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif It all really depends on your situation. For some, the lower cost of running as well as the lower fan noise and heat may be more important on a DLP. For others, the brighter image and higher resolution may be more important on a D-ila. Basically there is no right answer. It is very much a personal preference decision.
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I won't contest the bulb cost/life of the D-ILAs, but the fan noise is easily silenced with a hushbox, and heat issues would only affect a small room with poor ventilation.
FPTVs are functional displays, and mostly ceiling mounted.
I think that the GXX series many not look as curvy as the newer models, but that has to be pretty low on the priority list for true HT enthusiasts.
The new 16:9 DLP FPTVs are indeed nice, and competitive in many ways, but there still are advantages to the D-ILA FPTVs if you do some tweaking.
Sure, calibration and an external scaler (and 16:9 lens) are important for the D-ILA, but these actually provide more flexibility if you have the budget, and want the best looking picture that you can get.
Some people prefer not to have to touch/tweak the display at all, and so someone who is not technically oriented going from a tube display to a RPTV, which both are roughly plug and watch capable, will probably choose a FPTV like the Sony 11HT or Sharp Z9000. Great.
The competition has raised the bar with new LCD and DLP FPTV offerings. Product innovation is good for all of us.
It just means that we have more good products to choose from.
-Dean.
FPTVs are functional displays, and mostly ceiling mounted.
I think that the GXX series many not look as curvy as the newer models, but that has to be pretty low on the priority list for true HT enthusiasts.
The new 16:9 DLP FPTVs are indeed nice, and competitive in many ways, but there still are advantages to the D-ILA FPTVs if you do some tweaking.
Sure, calibration and an external scaler (and 16:9 lens) are important for the D-ILA, but these actually provide more flexibility if you have the budget, and want the best looking picture that you can get.
Some people prefer not to have to touch/tweak the display at all, and so someone who is not technically oriented going from a tube display to a RPTV, which both are roughly plug and watch capable, will probably choose a FPTV like the Sony 11HT or Sharp Z9000. Great.
The competition has raised the bar with new LCD and DLP FPTV offerings. Product innovation is good for all of us.
It just means that we have more good products to choose from.
-Dean.
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Thanks, Ken!
I would love it! By the time I have enough saved up for an upgrade the 2048 x 1280 full High-Def D-ILAs should be available for about the price of a G11 bulb today http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif .
I might just have to settle for that http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif .
Can't wait...
I would love it! By the time I have enough saved up for an upgrade the 2048 x 1280 full High-Def D-ILAs should be available for about the price of a G11 bulb today http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif .
I might just have to settle for that http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif .
Can't wait...
The thing about the DLP's is that they are not as bright as the DILA's (no matter what the specs say) so you won't hurt your eyes looking at the screen or be bothered by a bright picture, and also some of them have these pretty rainbows. And we know how people have often complained about the bad contrast on DILA's right?
(Please note tongue planted firmly in cheek.)
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(Please note tongue planted firmly in cheek.)
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Mark,
I have seen the hitachi sx5500w and it looked good considering the setup. I was wondering if all LCOS devices would have the same positives that the d-ila has or if JVC is doing something different. The hitachi is very quite and bright and the spec's for contrast look good.
Kirk
I have seen the hitachi sx5500w and it looked good considering the setup. I was wondering if all LCOS devices would have the same positives that the d-ila has or if JVC is doing something different. The hitachi is very quite and bright and the spec's for contrast look good.
Kirk
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