[dpeart]

If you had to replace your PLV-70 today what setup would you look into?


I currently have a PLV-70 displaying on a 120" diag parkland (gain 1) screen. I need the light the PLV-70 provides to overcome ambient light that comes in through windows on the right hand side of the room.


I'm wondering if I could match a different projector with lower lumens with a higher gain screen and net the same bright picture.


How about a Panasonic AE-700 on a Hi-Power?

Or a BenQ 8700 on a Hi-Power?


Any ideas out there? I would like to keep the total cost in the same ball park as the PLV-70.



EDIT: Another Sanyo product is not an option.


thanks,

 

[Mr.Poindexter]

Not happy with your PLV-70HT? Shed some light, please. (no pun intended!)

 

[dpeart]

See this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=383871

 

[Andrikos]

Sharp D2000.

HD2+ with 2500:1 CR and under $4k.

I would also have recommended the new Canon LCoS projector if it wasn't for its lowly 1000:1 CR. This would also go for $4k.


Good luck.

PS The High power is a great screen for ambinet ight situations.

 

[dpeart]

I can't find a Sharp D2000 anywhere.


Do you have a link?


thanks,

 

[Andrikos]

Dave,

It's due out next month.


Alan Gouger started this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=444680


and here:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Shar...n-XV-Z2000.htm

 

[dmance]

I looked at it as well to replace my PLV-60, but it has no lens-shift. A crucial issue for ceiling mounted installs.


...there must be a patent on lens shift, so few PJ's have it....


Dan

 

[Brandon B]

How few lumens is the sharp?


Only thing I'd look at is the Canon, or if it didn't exist, try and find a deal on an older DILA. DLP is not an option for me.


BB

 

[Brandon B]

And what are you doing answering anyway Andy, you don't have a 70.


BB

 

[Andrikos]

Well, Brandon

I don't own a PLV70 but DaveP wasn't specifically asking from PLV owners.

He was asking about a High Power screen that I happen to have.

I was gracious enough to attempt to help him with his choice.

You got a problem with that? Huh?

 

[dpeart]

Both of those look interesting, I woud like to have vertical lens shift as my pj has to be mounted below my ceiling fan/light fixture. This makes it below the top of the screen. Horizontal alignment is not as important as I can move my mount on the ceiling to fix that.


What trade offs are there when you reduce lumens and increase screen gain? I know that going from 1000lumens -> 2000 lumens does not double the screen brightness. Does going from a 1x to a 2x screen double the brightness, increase the black level?


thanks,

 

[Brandon B]

Quote:

Originally posted by Andrikos Well, Brandon I don't own a PLV70 but DaveP wasn't specifically asking from PLV owners.

Thread title "If you had to replace YOUR Sanyo PLV-70 today?"


BB

 

[Brandon B]

Quote:

Originally posted by dpeart Both of those look interesting, I woud like to have vertical lens shift as my pj has to be mounted below my ceiling fan/light fixture. This makes it below the top of the screen. Horizontal alignment is not as important as I can move my mount on the ceiling to fix that. What trade offs are there when you reduce lumens and increase screen gain? I know that going from 1000lumens -> 2000 lumens does not double the screen brightness. Does going from a 1x to a 2x screen double the brightness, increase the black level? thanks,

2X gain will double the brightness. And doubling the lumens does double the brightness, but the response of your eye is not linear, so it does not seem twice as bright. Same will apply for screen gain increase. And yes, in either case, black level doubles as well. In the case of a dimmer projector, it will not compete as well with ambient light. The highpower is nice in this regard, as unless your ambient source is behind you, it tends to reject it better than a more matte screen. If you have ambient, black level is not as much of an issue as it will be destroyed anyway.


If you end up going with something significantly dimmer than the 70, you will need to give it a few viewings before the sense of diminished brightness stops bothering you. My friend who had watched many movies at my house got the HS20, and it bugged him for about a month but he is perfectly happy now.


The Sharp will be a nice machine, but it does have the limitations of single chip DLP (rainbows and dithering) which Andy seems to have disregarded as pertinent. Make sure they are not issues for you, they certainly aren't for most people. The contrast will be hugely better than the Sanyo, and this does make a tremendous difference, and the SDE and VB will be reduced/gone.


The Canon may be a problem with your ceiling fan if you are ceiling mounting. I table mount mine, so I can make the Canon work in my situation, which is very similar to yours (120" screen, ceiling fan, copious quantity of windows and poor light control).


My friend's Sony is significantly dimmer, and is in the same type house with the same HP screen (slightly smaller though), and he is unable to watch during daylight, period. His situation is compounded by white walls, whereas mine are a rather dark color.


Your near-ideal replacement may not exist yet. Mine doesn't. Basically, I am looking for a 2000 lumen HX-2, and it ain't here yet.


BB

 

[J.Mike Ferrara]

It's amazing that after 3+ years no one has come out with a projector that has:


1) extraordinary brightness (most important)

2) ease of installation w/auto lens shift

3) great resolution

4) good value (under $5000)

5) no rainbows (I know, I know)

6) acceptable screen door


The PLV-70 is really a reworked corporate projector - thus the PC friendly resolution and brightness. Sanyo is probably still selling lots of them. QC is, in my experience, not up to home theater standard.

 

[dpeart]

Brandon,

If I reduce my lumens on the projector by 2, but go from a 1x to a 2x screen (don't remember what the gain of the high power is), will the brightness appear the same to my eye? I was thinking that it would. Does it also mean that ambient light will have a larger impact in this situation? I guess that I don't understand that as much.


My ambient light comes in from the right hand side of the room. There is none coming from behind the viewer. My ceiling is off-white, but the walls are all dark burgandy. I've considered painting the first 3 ft or so of the ceiling black, but have not had the courage to ask my wife


I've watched some DLP and have seen rainbows on a few of them, but not all of them. They don't really bother me and I have to really shake my head/eyes a lot to see them. Not something I do typically while watching movies.



thanks

 

[Brandon B]

Yes, the brightness would appear the same to your eye, but only in the middle of the seating area. High gain screens drop off as you go off axis. If it's only 2-4 people watching in your setup, you won't have lost anything. If you have 6 people spread across the room, the outer few are going to see a dimmer picture than they would have with the double bright PJ and the unity gain screen.


Highpower is 2.8 or so. I think Darin has measured it a little higher on axis, if you are ceiling mounting, its effective gain will be somewhat lower.


Ambient will have a greater effect with the dimmer PJ/brighter screen, but only if it is in the right (wrong) place. i.e. if it is following approximately the same path to your eyes as the PJ beam. The highpower will help in your situation, as the light will be somewhat directed back at the windows rather than to you. Do not construe this to mean it will eliminate ambient light from the side, it will just be a little bit better than a matte screen would under the same circumstances.


I think painting the ceiling is a must, it is closer to a large portion of the screen than the walls are (unless your room is really narrow). So the effect of darkening it would be pretty great. Ask the wife. If she hates the idea, maybe you could do some sort of pulldown black shade that pulls down in front of the screen then swings up and hooks to something on the ceiling? It made a huge difference for me though.


If rainbows are not an issue, you might look into the brighter offerings from that camp as well. InFocus 7205 maybe.


BB

 

[Andrikos]

Quote:

Originally posted by Brandon B Thread title "If you had to replace YOUR Sanyo PLV-70 today?" BB

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me.

What do I do now, delete all my posts?

 

[Brandon B]

Nah, I am just razzing you. I'll be satisfied if you just go rent a PLV70 and have it in your house while you post in this thread.


BB

 

[Andrikos]

Hey, why spend money when you can send me yours.

 

[KeithR]

Quote:

Originally posted by J.Mike Ferrara It's amazing that after 3+ years no one has come out with a projector that has: 1) extraordinary brightness (most important) 2) ease of installation w/auto lens shift 3) great resolution 4) good value (under $5000) 5) no rainbows (I know, I know) 6) acceptable screen door The PLV-70 is really a reworked corporate projector - thus the PC friendly resolution and brightness. Sanyo is probably still selling lots of them. QC is, in my experience, not up to home theater standard.

Simple- most people watch movies in darkened rooms with little ambient.