[HD_Dude]

Hi everyone...


Here's the deal:


More than a year ago, I bought an AMAZING TV...the Sony KDL-V40XBR1. Forget the features, but just talking picture....it was incredible. Yes, it was a 720p set, but detail was perfect, black level wonderful, and NO screen door effect.


But, being a BluRay fan, I went out last month and bought the KDL-40V2500. Another 40" set, with 1080p.


Yuk. I finally saw what 'screen door effect' was all about.


True, 1080p was amazing...PS3 was great, and SOME BluRay titles were great.


But on too many BluRays, like T2, and on too many HD shows, like the Sopranos, the SDE was overpowering. I just hated what I was seeing.


On the Sopranos, Christopher was wearing a herringbone pattern blazer. Perfect on the 720 set, but, moving, distorted and SDE on the 1080p.


Am I alone here? Did I buy a bum set? Or is the KDL-40V2500 known for its SDE?


Thanks...


HD

 

[In Training]

Last year, I saw a shot out of the Sony XBR1 (768p) versus the Sony XBR2 (1080p) and with high quality HD content, traditional Comcast HD baseball content and crappy analog cable content...the XBR1 had a better picture.


No, I did not watch test patterns at under 4 feet trying to discern the difference between 768p and 1080p...I watched normal video from about 10-12 feet away. The 768p set clearly had the better, more natural picture. I am not a fan of WGC (wide color gamut) anyway...too cartoonish.


The processing on the XBR2 & its smaller sister sets is done by Trident...I cannot remember who or even if it was Sony that did the XBR1 video processing.


The set you are comparing above is a cost down model from the XBR2 platform. So what you are experiencing is probably right on...

 

[captain spalding]

I have a 52" Sony XBR2 and I cannot imagine a picture being any better unless it came in 3D.

 

[HD_Dude]

Yes, I think I'm comparing the 'flagship' Sony (XBR) to the 'Mainstream' Sony (V-Series)...and sorry, the XBR is a clear winner. Despite the so-called 'upgrade' to 1080p.


Even when the HD content is not SDE'd, the look on the lower-cost Sony is kind of waxy, or as you put it, cartoonish.


I'm a big Sony fan, so I'm not knocking the company.I just think this TV is not up to the very, very high standards set by the XBR line. You get what you pay for...and the "V" set is going back.


Thanks


HD

 

[WaldorfSalad]

SDE would be much less noticeable on a 1080p set like the V2500 than on the 768p XBR1 due to the increased pixel density at 1080p. I have the 52XBR3 1080p and SDE is not visible from more than a couple of feet away whereas I can see SDE on 720/768p sets up to about 6 feet away. It sounds like you are seeing something other than SDE, maybe macroblocking or noise or compression artifacts or grain. A 1080p set will be able to resolve noise, grain, etc. more clearly than a 768p set will so you see the bad stuff as well as the good stuff in HD at 1080p.

 

[HD_Dude]



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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad /forum/post/0


SDE would be much less noticeable on a 1080p set like the V2500 than on the 768p XBR1 due to the increased pixel density at 1080p. I have the 52XBR3 1080p and SDE is not visible from more than a couple of feet away whereas I can see SDE on 720/768p sets up to about 6 feet away. It sounds like you are seeing something other than SDE, maybe macroblocking or noise or compression artifacts or grain. A 1080p set will be able to resolve noise, grain, etc. more clearly than a 768p set will so you see the bad stuff as well as the good stuff in HD at 1080p.

Right, that makes sense. I may be mis-identifying the trouble as SDE.


And yes, I see you're using the XBR3. Speaking non-technically, I believe the circuitry, filters, or other capabilities in the XBR's somehow are providing less grain and noise than the 'V'.


I would go for the XBR2, except that the glass bevel makes it too large for the space I have for it. So as soon as Sony comes up with a new design, which of course they do on a regular basis, I'll get the XBR.


Thanks.

 

[DBLASS]

I don't know. I have a 40V2500 and I happen to be in the LCD OEM business for the last 20 years. I run HD cable most of the time and the picture is fine. I just do not see any visual issues other than some very weak non-uniformities (clouds). Screen door effect is the lines caused by large pixels (lower resolution on a large sized screen. A 40" 1080P is the opposite (smaller screen with lots of pixels).


I suspect a timing issue between the Blu-Ray and the set but the description of the problem is vague.